What's going on in Ukraine?

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https://novapolshcha.pl/article/chi-spr ... 2022-roku/

A comprehensive break down of the horseshit Russia peddled about the negotiations in 2022 that was in the news recently.

[Sandstorm]

Russian aircraft accidentally dropped three more FAB bombs on the Bilhorod region over two days, bringing the total to at least 78 incidents in the past three months. On May 30, FAB-250 bombs were found near the villages of Mizhnee, Krasnaya Polyana, and Chaiky. This includes the UMPB D-30SN "smart" bomb that previously failed to reach Kharkiv.

"accidentally"

i.e. the pilot didn't fancy their chances with Ukrainian AA systems, & dropped their ordnance at the earliest opportunity, & buggered off back to base.

My first thought too.

[fishfoodie]

Russian aircraft accidentally dropped three more FAB bombs on the Bilhorod region over two days, bringing the total to at least 78 incidents in the past three months. On May 30, FAB-250 bombs were found near the villages of Mizhnee, Krasnaya Polyana, and Chaiky. This includes the UMPB D-30SN "smart" bomb that previously failed to reach Kharkiv.

"accidentally"

i.e. the pilot didn't fancy their chances with Ukrainian AA systems, & dropped their ordnance at the earliest opportunity, & buggered off back to base.

My first thought too.

Well let's not be too harsh on them.


... their own fucking AA batteries have killed as many of them as the Ukrainian ones, so maybe they were trying to take these out on that basis

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Russian aircraft accidentally dropped three more FAB bombs on the Bilhorod region over two days, bringing the total to at least 78 incidents in the past three months. On May 30, FAB-250 bombs were found near the villages of Mizhnee, Krasnaya Polyana, and Chaiky. This includes the UMPB D-30SN "smart" bomb that previously failed to reach Kharkiv.

"accidentally"

i.e. the pilot didn't fancy their chances with Ukrainian AA systems, & dropped their ordnance at the earliest opportunity, & buggered off back to base.

That certainly may be part of it; but a significant, possibly even most, of these incidents are due to size/weight and mounting issues. Russian glide bombs are basically the product of rushed jerry-rigging of dumb bombs, that are far bigger and heavier than the GLSDB glide bombs the Ukrainians are using, with improvised mounts. The net result is that ordinance that is too big and heavy for the mounts required for properly developed glide bombs causes the mounts to break under any significant G-force and they literally fall off the planes.

Even when they actually do manage to properly launch one the accuracy is absolutely dire. They hit Ukrainian positions due to the sheer amount yeeted at those rather than being either accurate or reliable.

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Ukrainian fighter after Russian captivity. The Nazi concentration camps and Stalin's Gulags have not gone away, they have simply changed their signs.

@yigal_levin

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[David in Gwent]

I'm astonished at the warmongers on here.

What do you suggest in the Ukraine and in Gaza?

Sad to see so many Putin apologists. David did share a lot of Russian propaganda during brexit. I suspect he was like many sad sacks on Facebook accepting friend requests from attractive young woman sharing pro brexit shit from about 8am Moscow time. These accounts would have thousands of gammon friends.

Fucking hell

Can you give me an example of the "Russian Propaganda" I shared?

LOL

[David in Gwent]

I'm astonished at the warmongers on here.

What do you suggest in the Ukraine and in Gaza?

Let Ukraine and Russia duke it out, don't get involved, don't start WW3. Ultimately the West is as much responsible for the conflict as the Russians. "We" Should never have overthrown the democratically elected, pro Russian government and replaced it with with a pro-EU government. You can lie about it to yourself if you want, but it's what happened.

The Globalists needed the war to ensure profit trends continue.

Support Israel in totally eradicating Hamas, literally to the last man and then give aid to help rebuild the area.

[Thor Sedan]

I'm astonished at the warmongers on here.

What do you suggest in the Ukraine and in Gaza?

Let Ukraine and Russia duke it out, don't get involved, don't start WW3. Ultimately the West is as much responsible for the conflict as the Russians. "We" Should never have overthrown the democratically elected, pro Russian government and replaced it with with a pro-EU government. You can lie about it to yourself if you want, but it's what happened.

The Globalists needed the war to ensure profit trends continue.

Support Israel in totally eradicating Hamas, literally to the last man and then give aid to help rebuild the area.

Right - so countries should be able to take over other countries if they don't agree with the internationally recognised borders?

But yeah - we're the warmongers.

[C69]

I'm astonished at the warmongers on here.

What do you suggest in the Ukraine and in Gaza?

Let Ukraine and Russia duke it out, don't get involved, don't start WW3. Ultimately the West is as much responsible for the conflict as the Russians. "We" Should never have overthrown the democratically elected, pro Russian government and replaced it with with a pro-EU government. You can lie about it to yourself if you want, but it's what happened.

The Globalists needed the war to ensure profit trends continue.

Support Israel in totally eradicating Hamas, literally to the last man and then give aid to help rebuild the area.

Warmongers eh

[Hellraiser]

I'm astonished at the warmongers on here.

What do you suggest in the Ukraine and in Gaza?

Let Ukraine and Russia duke it out, don't get involved, don't start WW3. Ultimately the West is as much responsible for the conflict as the Russians. "We" Should never have overthrown the democratically elected, pro Russian government and replaced it with with a pro-EU government. You can lie about it to yourself if you want, but it's what happened.

The Globalists needed the war to ensure profit trends continue.

Support Israel in totally eradicating Hamas, literally to the last man and then give aid to help rebuild the area.

DAC, take your verifiably false conspiracy theory horseshit elsewhere.

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The PzH 2000 has re-entered production at the KMW facility in Kassel. The initial order run is for 22, with an option for a further 6.

[Biffer]

I'm astonished at the warmongers on here.

What do you suggest in the Ukraine and in Gaza?

Let Ukraine and Russia duke it out, don't get involved, don't start WW3. Ultimately the West is as much responsible for the conflict as the Russians. "We" Should never have overthrown the democratically elected, pro Russian government and replaced it with with a pro-EU government. You can lie about it to yourself if you want, but it's what happened.

The Globalists needed the war to ensure profit trends continue.

Support Israel in totally eradicating Hamas, literally to the last man and then give aid to help rebuild the area.

And in the post before he challenged someone to produce an example of him spouting pro russian propaganda.

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Macron announced France will transfer Mirage 2000-5s to Ukraine.

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OSINT researcher Stanimir Dobrev has discovered that the subsidies the Russian government pays to gasoline producers have doubled. In May, companies received 201.7 billion rubles in subsidies. In April, this figure was 187.2 billion, in March - 164.4 billion, in February - 127.9 billion, in January (the time of the first Ukrainian attacks on oil refineries) - 146.6 billion. All this is being done to keep gasoline prices low for consumers, to the detriment of already depleted budget reserves.

@yigal_levin

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The former head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Moldova, Igor Gorgan, actively collaborated with Russian intelligence. This was reported by The Insider.

The material states that Gorgan corresponded with a curator from the Russian GRU, Colonel Alexei Makarov. He regularly reported on the internal political situation in Moldova, and also transmitted data on visits of representatives of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, who were engaged in the purchase of equipment and shells for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

It is reported that Gorgan worked on the General Staff until the end of 2021. Then President Maia Sandu dismissed him. Despite this, the general still had many supporters in the Ministry of Defense of Moldova, who supplied him with secret information.

In July 2023, Gorgan got a job at the UN refugee office in Chisinau. This agency registers all refugees from Ukraine and helps them settle in a new place.

After the publication of this investigation, The Insider learned that Gorgan was temporarily suspended from work at this UN office. The organization is reportedly concerned about the serious allegations against him and will conduct its own internal investigation.

@yigal_levin

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Roshel is going to build a production facility in Ukraine for Senator MRAPs.

https://www.epravda.com.ua/publications ... /5/714692/

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The Bundestag has approved a €880m purchase of 155 mm ammo for the Bundeswehr and Ukraine.

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OSINT researcher Richard Vereker noted that May was the fourth month in a row that the Warspotting team was able to record more than 200 destroyed Russian armored fighting vehicles for transporting infantry. Russian equipment losses have increased even in comparison with their offensive on Avdeevka, which began in October 2023. It should be noted that the Warspotting team has the most cautious and conservative estimates among all research teams that calculate losses from visual sources; other teams record even more Russian losses.

@yigal_levin

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The Lithuanian government has signed an agreement with Rheinmetall to build a €180m facility in the country to produce 155mm ammo.

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Here’s another thread about Russian vehicle losses, this time about Russian tank losses for May 2024. This month saw the tank loss rate remain very high, with @Warspotting listing 119 tanks lost or damaged for an average daily loss rate of 3.774 tanks per day. For comparison, in May of last year Russia had only lost 55 tanks. It is also worth noting that while historically high, tank losses at this rate have been standard so far this year, with 100+ tanks being lost every month except March.

For specific tank models, the main standout this month was the T-72. As @HighMarsed pointed out in a recent thread, the T-72 has been declining as a percentage of the whole since the outbreak of the war. That trend was pronounced this month as the T-72 declined in both total losses and proportionally falling to 31 tanks and 33% of identifiable tank losses from 45 tanks 43% last month, making this the second lowest month for the T-72s percentage in this war. That percentage will probably rebound to a degree in the coming months, but that won't change the overall trend. The remaining tank types stayed mostly the same, with the T-62 and especially T-80 increasing, while both lost more in May then in April, they only lost 2 and 5 more respectively. Their gains on the chart are a result of the increased losses and the T-72 decreasing.

Looking at the bigger picture, this quarter so far has had a very high daily loss rate. For the first two moths of Q2 2024 the average is exactly 4 tanks lost per day (New losses added since the graph was made). If that average held then Q2 would be the worst full quarter of Russian tank losses since the war started. But there is no guarantee that that will happen, any of the trends talked about could dramatically change for reasons we can’t foresee. Even if Q2 2024 does average out that high it would only be the second highest quarter in terms of tanks lost per day. That’s a result of the calculations I use only including days after February 24, 2022 when calculating Q1 2022’s daily loss rate. In those 36 days Russia managed to lose more tanks than they lost in most full quarters, which is why the average for Q1 2022 is so high.

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Jompy's comment on the above:

Yeah, the problem is by now they only must have 200-300 T-62s left in storage, plus whatever they are already refurbishing at BTRZs. And while they probably have over 1k old T-72s, it appears Russia doesn't produce spare parts in enough quantities for those, which requiere parts incompatible with T-72Bs.

Considering they were already refurbishing T-80Bs and UDs early this year, I think by now they must have run out of stored T-80s and the stuff already being refurbished is all that's left. So probably enough to replenish losses until fall.

The old T-72s he mentions are the original base model T-72 Urals/As.

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WTAF

[laurent]

Macron announced France will transfer Mirage 2000-5s to Ukraine.

It's an interceptor.
Can be useful and there is a good stock of Mica IR/EM.
It may be some Greek or Qatar buyback to make up the number as these are on their way out.
Qatary wanted to sell to malaysia but it failed, the Greeks are trying to resell to buy more Rafales
If Greek there is some funky capacity on top of interceptor role (Exocet)

The 2000D was always going to be hard to transfer as only France has them and not that many (55).

[tabascoboy]

[geordie_6]

I'd assumed it was the "fell out of a window" meme reference to another death in the Orc government, but she actually fell from a window...

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Macron announced France will transfer Mirage 2000-5s to Ukraine.

It's an interceptor.
Can be useful and there is a good stock of Mica IR/EM.
It may be some Greek or Qatar buyback to make up the number as these are on their way out.
Qatary wanted to sell to malaysia but it failed, the Greeks are trying to resell to buy more Rafales
If Greek there is some funky capacity on top of interceptor role (Exocet)

The 2000D was always going to be hard to transfer as only France has them and not that many (55).

It's a SCALP-EG launch platform. If it has no other role in Ukraine it'll still be worth it.

I'd love if someone had the balls to give Eurofighter Typhoons to Ukraine. The Germans, Italians, and Brits could give an entire squadron of Tranche 1 or 2s between them if they really wanted to.

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[petej]

Macron announced France will transfer Mirage 2000-5s to Ukraine.

It's an interceptor.
Can be useful and there is a good stock of Mica IR/EM.
It may be some Greek or Qatar buyback to make up the number as these are on their way out.
Qatary wanted to sell to malaysia but it failed, the Greeks are trying to resell to buy more Rafales
If Greek there is some funky capacity on top of interceptor role (Exocet)

The 2000D was always going to be hard to transfer as only France has them and not that many (55).

It's a SCALP-EG launch platform. If it has no other role in Ukraine it'll still be worth it.

I'd love if someone had the balls to give Eurofighter Typhoons to Ukraine. The Germans, Italians, and Brits could give an entire squadron of Tranche 1 or 2s between them if they really wanted to.

I think a lot of tranche 1s have been used for spares. Due to our lean/emaciated structures not sure there are in reality many available.

[Uncle fester]

Europe is defenceless apparently.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn00e422yr2o

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The US has lifted all restrictions on Azov Brigade using American supplied weaponry.

[Uncle fester]

AfD and BSW boycotting Zelensky's speech to German parliament.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/B6DgzRVU9R

[Guy Smiley]

AfD and BSW boycotting Zelensky's speech to German parliament.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/B6DgzRVU9R

This is where Russia is fighting its main war, I reckon... across political theatres.

[fishfoodie]

AfD and BSW boycotting Zelensky's speech to German parliament.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/B6DgzRVU9R

This is where Russia is fighting its main war, I reckon... across political theatres.

This is where the Orc plans fail, because Putin doesn't understand the realities of Western Politics, he still believes the bullshit he was told when he was trained in the KGB.

He thinks that Western Politicians drive public sentiment, when actually what happens is that Politicians pick up on the direction of public sentiment, & then, as someone said of the Bumblecunt, run to the front & yell, "Follow Me !".

Public sentiment has always been behind Ukraine, & populists like the Bumblecunt, & Politicians with actual beliefs & ethics are always against cunts like the Orcs, so the cunts around the EU who are roboticaly following the instructions from Moscow are signing their own death warrants by going against the will of the people.

[Guy Smiley]

Foodie, do you draw any correlation between Moscow's covert efforts and the rise of populist hard Right parties and movements?

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Rheinmetall's Lynx IFV will go into production in Ukraine this year.

https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/de ... 44166.html

[tabascoboy]

Yes, up yours Orban...

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that he accepts Hungary’s decision not to take part in the alliance’s mission to coordinate assistance to Ukraine. In return, Hungary would not block the initiative for other allies.

"Hungary opposes the NATO mission in Ukraine, but cannot prevent it, since the majority of alliance members support it," Orban said.

[Biffer]

Yes, up yours Orban...

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that he accepts Hungary’s decision not to take part in the alliance’s mission to coordinate assistance to Ukraine. In return, Hungary would not block the initiative for other allies.

"Hungary opposes the NATO mission in Ukraine, but cannot prevent it, since the majority of alliance members support it," Orban said.

Reckon there's a bit of "we're fucking doing this, shut up and go and sit in the corner ya fucking prick" about this.

[Uncle fester]

Foodie, do you draw any correlation between Moscow's covert efforts and the rise of populist hard Right parties and movements?

This was discussed way back in this thread and probably also the US politics thread.

It is fascinating the overlap between right wing touchstones and some of the statements coming out of Russia. The orthodox patriarch had a good ole rant about "the west being overrun by LGBT agenda" and it's word for word the guff that is polluting our discourse also.