C69 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:03 pm
Wtaf is happening at the Egypt border?
Closed after air strikes by IDF.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:06 pm
by Paddington Bear
Feel like jumping in to a DAC/Torq tete a tete could be a mistake but:
1) 99% sure we delayed recognising Israel because of the King David hotel incident etc. It was an American plan when push came to shove, we had largely decent relationships with the Arabs.
2) any attempt to pretend that English/British anti-semitism was particularly egregious in the context of a rabidly anti-semitic continent is just nonsense. The Jews were the whipping boys of medieval europe and the English kings were no better or worse than anyone else in that regard. It wasn’t a coincidence that Jews returned to England when there wasn’t a king, and from there British Jews became a very well integrated and tolerated minority. The pressure for a homeland for the Jewish people came from the constant massacres and persecution in Eastern and Central Europe. The Anglo Jews were happy to sponsor it but were quite happy in their London townhouses (and didn’t want Russian Jews from the Pale to come to England for asylum as they felt they’d tarnish their hard won reputation, being illiterate peasants and all)
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:23 pm
by Uncle fester
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:06 pm
Feel like jumping in to a DAC/Torq tete a tete could be a mistake but:
1) 99% sure we delayed recognising Israel because of the King David hotel incident etc. It was an American plan when push came to shove, we had largely decent relationships with the Arabs.
2) any attempt to pretend that English/British anti-semitism was particularly egregious in the context of a rabidly anti-semitic continent is just nonsense. The Jews were the whipping boys of medieval europe and the English kings were no better or worse than anyone else in that regard. It wasn’t a coincidence that Jews returned to England when there wasn’t a king, and from there British Jews became a very well integrated and tolerated minority. The pressure for a homeland for the Jewish people came from the constant massacres and persecution in Eastern and Central Europe. The Anglo Jews were happy to sponsor it but were quite happy in their London townhouses (and didn’t want Russian Jews from the Pale to come to England for asylum as they felt they’d tarnish their hard won reputation, being illiterate peasants and all)
There's an interesting one and modern day Israelis would do well to pay attention to it. The British authorities had been cranking up the repression, which increased tensions with the Jewish population (as well as international and UK domestic opposition to the mandate government) and the reaction to the bombing blew the lid off that.
Bibi is plain wrong. Israel isn't fighting a war. It's fighting an insurgency and using the tools of war just feeds the insurgency.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:01 am
by David in Gwent
Blaming the Brits is the fucking easy way out, it's lazy, facilie and down right dishonest.
The trouble in the ME is because Arabs can't fucking stand Jews and have no intention of letting them get on with living their lives, they're just to fucking weak to finish the job, currently.
Anything else is just stupid.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:10 am
by SaintK
Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:04 am
My point is fairly simple Raggs. Leave. I think of Israel basically as what would happen, if a bunch of mental deep south survivalist types..who go to gun shows, 17 times a week, formed a country. They are the best customer the arms industry and America ever had.
That is why the US support them. They even give them money to buy their shite.
It is a terrible sick j9ke to pull on people, "yeah move into this hornets nest...oh and buy our weopens to defend yourself".
They are essentially cleatus, with a blank cheque book.
I don't like the Israeli people being used like this.
I just want to move cleatus back to Montana where he belongs.
Under the stars, amongst the corn, on rocking chairs, mastering basic chords on the banjo.
Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:04 am
My point is fairly simple Raggs. Leave. I think of Israel basically as what would happen, if a bunch of mental deep south survivalist types..who go to gun shows, 17 times a week, formed a country. They are the best customer the arms industry and America ever had.
That is why the US support them. They even give them money to buy their shite.
It is a terrible sick j9ke to pull on people, "yeah move into this hornets nest...oh and buy our weopens to defend yourself".
They are essentially cleatus, with a blank cheque book.
I don't like the Israeli people being used like this.
I just want to move cleatus back to Montana where he belongs.
Under the stars, amongst the corn, on rocking chairs, mastering basic chords on the banjo.
Yep a despicable cunt!
Who me, a guy who wants peace? Wants cleatus to piss off back to where kissing his sister is legal, and to leave bombing innocents in the past?
Despicable?
Yeah you are right, the cleatuses should stay where they are.. only good will come of it.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:17 pm
by Slick
Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:51 am
I’ve worked with a fair few Egyptians and they dislike the Israelis, obviously, but they also think they are cunning and behind anything bad happening to Muslims. Obvious example was the 2004 tsunami that killed thousands of Muslims. I was apparently, rather endearingly, naïve for believing it was a natural disaster rather than an deliberate Israeli nuclear underwater bomb.
Just been ripped off by an Egyptian. Cunts.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:37 pm
by Ymx
I had thought the lack of the use of the word terrorists when describing Hamas was just a few occasions by lefty journos that they have there at the BBC. But it appears as though it’s actually policy.
Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:51 am
I’ve worked with a fair few Egyptians and they dislike the Israelis, obviously, but they also think they are cunning and behind anything bad happening to Muslims. Obvious example was the 2004 tsunami that killed thousands of Muslims. I was apparently, rather endearingly, naïve for believing it was a natural disaster rather than an deliberate Israeli nuclear underwater bomb.
Just been ripped off by an Egyptian. Cunts.
And other broadcasters as agreed with OFCOM
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:42 pm
by I like neeps
Maybe Mr Netanyahu and Mr Haniyeh can work through their differences in a nice cell in The Hague.
Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:51 am
I’ve worked with a fair few Egyptians and they dislike the Israelis, obviously, but they also think they are cunning and behind anything bad happening to Muslims. Obvious example was the 2004 tsunami that killed thousands of Muslims. I was apparently, rather endearingly, naïve for believing it was a natural disaster rather than an deliberate Israeli nuclear underwater bomb.
Just been ripped off by an Egyptian. Cunts.
And other broadcasters as agreed with OFCOM
Lost me old boy
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:16 pm
by Ymx
I’m thinking he’s quoting the wrong post. But he’s probably insane.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:17 pm
by Uncle fester
It's an old article but well worth a read on why the conflict won't resolve and also points towards what Palestinians are actually aiming to achieve with their barbarous activities.
TLDR
No peace deal has worked because the concessions required of Israel are more onerous than maintaining the status quo.
Palestinian strategy is to make that status quo "expensive" for Israel. Also breaking chances of rapprochement with other Arab nations.
Maybe Mr Netanyahu and Mr Haniyeh can work through their differences in a nice cell in The Hague.
So since this story has been released I have seen the following headlines
500 dead after Gaza hospital bombed says Palestinians
300 dead after Gaza hospital bombed says Palestinians and UN
200 dead says Palestinian official
Do you see a problem here
You think the problem is that the bodies are being counted inaccurately?
Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:51 am
I’ve worked with a fair few Egyptians and they dislike the Israelis, obviously, but they also think they are cunning and behind anything bad happening to Muslims. Obvious example was the 2004 tsunami that killed thousands of Muslims. I was apparently, rather endearingly, naïve for believing it was a natural disaster rather than an deliberate Israeli nuclear underwater bomb.
Just been ripped off by an Egyptian. Cunts.
And other broadcasters as agreed with OFCOM
Hamas has been legally declared as a terrorist organisation in the UK. Yet the BBC have created internal guidelines to not use the word terrorist.
Sky and Channel 4 are not state funded, and can leftily do what they want.
But to refuse to call Hamas terrorists by the BBC is frankly appalling.
Do you seriously have no issue with them avoiding calling Hamas terrorists.
SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:34 pm
And other broadcasters as agreed with OFCOM
Hamas has been legally declared as a terrorist organisation in the UK. Yet the BBC have created internal guidelines to not use the word terrorist.
Sky and Channel 4 are not state funded, and can leftily do what they want.
But to refuse to call Hamas terrorists by the BBC is frankly appalling.
Do you seriously have no issue with them avoiding calling Hamas terrorists.
Is it massively important that they are referred to as terrorists?
Actually, yes it is.
It is purely because it has been prohibited.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:46 pm
by Uncle fester
This is like arguing with vatniks.
"Okay so can we talk about the large numbers of people getting killed?"
"No, we are going to talk about the nomenclature to apply to one of the parties instead"
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:47 pm
by Ymx
In the same correspondence, another BBC chief suggested that journalists’ safety could be put at risk if the corporation was perceived to be taking sides
On the face of it, it sounds sensible. But a brief bit of unpicking, what? The BBC are worried to be thought of against a terrorist outfit… impartial to those who mutilate, torture and murder civilians - babies and all.
This is not what impartial means, ffs. They shouldn’t be impartial to murderous terrorists committing heinous crimes.
So since this story has been released I have seen the following headlines
500 dead after Gaza hospital bombed says Palestinians
300 dead after Gaza hospital bombed says Palestinians and UN
200 dead says Palestinian official
Do you see a problem here
You think the problem is that the bodies are being counted inaccurately?
I think the problem is the figures regarding deaths out of Gaza have been, are and will be bollox with the assistance of the UN. Why that is the case needs more reading than your priddy little head would be able for
Even if the figure of this particular incident gets revised down to, say 50, do you agree that far, far, far more Palestinians are going to die than Israelis died last week?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:00 pm
by Raggs
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:05 pm
by Uncle fester
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:55 pm
It's not a death off. The response by Israel was inevitable and Hamas knew that. They get traction in places like Ireland but to be fair we are an outlier. They have brought nothing but suffering on their people. Hamas have not Israel like every political party in Ireland would have you believe. Arabs say fine we will accept Israel as an entity 30 years ago we would all be drinking Levant Orange Juice and going on holidays to Tel Aviv by now
And the attack by Hamas wasn't?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:05 pm
by Raggs
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:02 pm
Oh what a surprise and are you telling me Raggs that the UN again confirmed deaths purely on the basis of what a Palestinian official said. Another fav this week from the Un has been 'millions will die in Gaza". Go and fuxk yourselves you disingenuous cunts. Anyway come back and have a chat with me when you have the videos of Israeli lads sitting on dead naked women and spitting at them. That's the bar
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:55 pm
It's not a death off. The response by Israel was inevitable and Hamas knew that. They get traction in places like Ireland but to be fair we are an outlier. They have brought nothing but suffering on their people. Hamas have not Israel like every political party in Ireland would have you believe. Arabs say fine we will accept Israel as an entity 30 years ago we would all be drinking Levant Orange Juice and going on holidays to Tel Aviv by now
And the attack by Hamas wasn't?
For what purpose? To get pummeled. Eh OK then
You should have a read of the article I linked to.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:10 pm
by Ymx
Obviously the hospital situation is more current, but I urge you to listen to this young bbc presenter who quit over the BBC refusal to call a spade a spade.
I often find people who destroy a hospital and kill hundreds admit to it readily.
Especially when they have a track record of telling lies, half-truths after similar incidents, only to belatedly, & in response to overwhelming evidence admitting to the truth .... long after the MSM has moved on
Hamas has been legally declared as a terrorist organisation in the UK. Yet the BBC have created internal guidelines to not use the word terrorist.
Sky and Channel 4 are not state funded, and can leftily do what they want.
But to refuse to call Hamas terrorists by the BBC is frankly appalling.
Do you seriously have no issue with them avoiding calling Hamas terrorists.
Is it massively important that they are referred to as terrorists?
Actually, yes it is.
It is purely because it has been prohibited.
Its a synonym for baddie basically but the job of a newsgathering and disseminating organisation should be to report on what's going on. Let the audience make its own mind up.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:28 pm
by Uncle fester
Was it ever established if the beheaded babies story was factual?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:33 pm
by Ymx
Israel claim to have a video to show it was a failed defective attack from a Hamas launch.
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:28 pm
Was it ever established if the beheaded babies story was factual?
Spitting on naked dead women while loads of men cheer Fester. Mmmmmmm Allahu Akbary
That's not what I asked. Are you able to answer the question?
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:47 pm
by Raggs
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:28 pm
Was it ever established if the beheaded babies story was factual?
Not sure about babies, but I believe I can confirm at the very least toddlers, though I wish I couldn't, babies were definitely killed. Can also tell you that the female sentries that were keeping lookout for some of the kibbutzes had their eyes plucked out of their skulls before being murdered. Burning tyres were rolled into houses to drive people out so they could be shot (or remain in and die of smoke/burns). Plenty of rapes too before murders.
I often find people who destroy a hospital and kill hundreds admit to it readily.
Especially when they have a track record of telling lies, half-truths after similar incidents, only to belatedly, & in response to overwhelming evidence admitting to the truth .... long after the MSM has moved on
The lies are being caught out already.
WaPo saying the hospital has already been hit by Israeli weapons. Who do they think they're kidding? They've been bombing civilian infrastructure the last two weeks and they think we'll believe this was a Hamas malfunction? Just stupid.
I often find people who destroy a hospital and kill hundreds admit to it readily.
Especially when they have a track record of telling lies, half-truths after similar incidents, only to belatedly, & in response to overwhelming evidence admitting to the truth .... long after the MSM has moved on
There are multiple examples of Palestinian officials claiming utter bollox. Only the Irish and a few trots believe Israel would target civilians. As a nation wr have uniquely positioned ourselves
Who said the Palestinians didn't ?
& who said the bombing, if it was by Israel was, deliberately targeting civilians ?
The Israeli Ambassador to the UK got on radio the other day, & lied thru her teeth, in the full knowledge that she was doing so.
If Israel wants to claim some moral high ground, they can't just ignore the object fact that collective punishment of civilians is a war crime, & write off any civilian deaths as all Hamas's fault.
WaPo saying the hospital has already been hit by Israeli weapons. Who do they think they're kidding? They've been bombing civilian infrastructure the last two weeks and they think we'll believe this was a Hamas malfunction? Just stupid.
Busted.
Re: Kicking off in Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:59 pm
by Guy Smiley
EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:57 pm
I give up. It's like talking to the wall. A stupid wall
