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fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:28 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 12:14 pm

_Os_ wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 5:27 am

This is 12 hours old and has over 300k views. The moron still hasn't deleted it.

Just a Tory councillor attacking an ex-Para who is the Labour candidate, for spending his weekend in Normandy doing fund raising for charity.

This is total madness.

He must've deleted it now because your link is 'Not Found'. I followed it through earlier, though, and he was getting bodied in the replies. Especially when he thought to try and rescue the situation with 'I was just asking a question'.

Surprise, Surprise, his social media footprint is a mine of information that CCHQ somehow managed to ignore.

The tweet I posted wasn't from that guy (the candidate), it was from this guy (a councillor) who has now apologised deleted the tweet and backed the veterans charities money was being raised for. Southend Tories seem an interesting bunch. Two social media blow ups, both for dodgy attacks on the Labour candidate.

So, whose multi is this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko

sturginho wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:28 pm So, whose multi is this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko

All the Farage parties are always the same:

1. Farage uses his dog whistle/foghorn as much as possible.
2. Very dodgy types join, media sometimes reports on it but never focuses on it as much as it should. That guy thinks Churchill was abysmal, the UK shouldn't have fought the Nazis, and Putin is a good guy. This is standard "no brother wars" neo-Nazi stuff.
3. Media give Farage the biggest platform it can and maximum coverage. Most of it uncritical.
4. The Tories refuse to fight back and accept everything Farage says and move further right. For example, Farage says this is an immigration election (it isn't, that's not people's top priority in polling), was it Hunt who parroted "this is an immigration election" just like Farage. It's like Farage is their master and they must do what he says.
5. There's a terrible mess, the more Tories lean into the Farage position bigger it is.
6. Farage leaves the party he created, and it quickly gets exposed for what it always was. Very strange, not just racist but genuinely weird.

If the Tories try to absorb this and make Farage their leader. Then they're finished. Only about 20% are interested in this, could maybe push that to 30%. No chance of winning an election.

_Os_ wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:25 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:28 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 12:14 pm

He must've deleted it now because your link is 'Not Found'. I followed it through earlier, though, and he was getting bodied in the replies. Especially when he thought to try and rescue the situation with 'I was just asking a question'.

Surprise, Surprise, his social media footprint is a mine of information that CCHQ somehow managed to ignore.

The tweet I posted wasn't from that guy (the candidate), it was from this guy (a councillor) who has now apologised deleted the tweet and backed the veterans charities money was being raised for. Southend Tories seem an interesting bunch. Two social media blow ups, both for dodgy attacks on the Labour candidate.

The fuckwit tried to double down by posting a couple of selfies the Labour boy took, one from a beach the other at some gathering. He's had his knuckles wrapped, no danger it's a genuine apology.

I know the Lib Dems have the freedom to promise whatever they want, but there were a couple of grown up pillars to their manifesto today:
- explicitly calling for a return of the UK to the single market
- electoral reform with a political donations cap and move to PR

sockwithaticket wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:16 pm I know the Lib Dems have the freedom to promise whatever they want, but there were a couple of grown up pillars to their manifesto today:
- explicitly calling for a return of the UK to the single market
- electoral reform with a political donations cap and move to PR

And funfair rides for all!

Watching Sunak being interviewed by Nick Robinson. Actually feeling a bit sorry for him

I see the asset strippers at Restire Trust have started their yearly battle to land snatch at the National Trust AGM, a mere 10n weeks away.

They're like bloody Christmas, they come round earlier every year.

Slick wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 7:20 pm Watching Sunak being interviewed by Nick Robinson. Actually feeling a bit sorry for him

He comes across as a lying prick

C69 wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 9:23 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 7:20 pm Watching Sunak being interviewed by Nick Robinson. Actually feeling a bit sorry for him

He comes across as a lying prick

Yeah, most journos are like that eh.

Another gift from Rishi's publicity team today, albeit slightly more subtle.

Manifesto launch at Silverstone racetrack.

An F1 track. Where the wheels come off really quickly.

Biffer wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:21 am Another gift from Rishi's publicity team today, albeit slightly more subtle.

Manifesto launch at Silverstone racetrack.

An F1 track. Where the wheels come off really quickly.

It's been a wheely bad campaign

I think he has actually been quite impressive at this manifesto launch.

Although he does keep spoiling it by repeating this £2000 thing that everyone knows is bollocks

Slick wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:40 am I think he has actually been quite impressive at this manifesto launch.

Although he does keep spoiling it by repeating this £2000 thing that everyone knows is bollocks

Sadly there is probably a fair number of low-information voters that it is working on.

Slick wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:40 am I think he has actually been quite impressive at this manifesto launch.

Although he does keep spoiling it by repeating this £2000 thing that everyone knows is bollocks

Nor sure "impressive" covers it
Repeating the £2000 lie ensures it gets traction again in the Tory press

I see Farage has been attacked again.

Definitely won't see an escalation, right.

Slick wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:40 am I think he has actually been quite impressive at this manifesto launch.

Although he does keep spoiling it by repeating this £2000 thing that everyone knows is bollocks

He could play it perfectly from now until polling day and it shouldn't matter. Their policies are nonsense that will do nothing to fix the state of the country which he and his party are entirely responsible for.

https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/180047 ... H8Dng&s=19

The Conservatives are building a "Jeremy Corbyn-style manifesto, where anything you want can go in it," Labour leader Keir Starmer says

There are of course hundreds of videos of Starmer backing a literal Corbyn manifesto...

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:14 pm

Slick wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:40 am I think he has actually been quite impressive at this manifesto launch.

Although he does keep spoiling it by repeating this £2000 thing that everyone knows is bollocks

He could play it perfectly from now until polling day and it shouldn't matter. Their policies are nonsense that will do nothing to fix the state of the country which he and his party are entirely responsible for.

I think the fact checking of his speech will be interesting - £2000 Labour tax, lowering taxes, beating crime, lifting kids out of poverty, etc. It was the usual repeat the lies ad nauseam until folks think they are real facts. Preprepared answers to expected questions is something he is ok at but as we have seen once he has to think on his feet and is challenged in a 1-to-1 interview he collapses. It was a bit like the player who is being let go at the end of the season having a half decent performance in his last game and everyone forgets how shite he has been for the whole season up to then!

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:14 pm

Slick wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:40 am I think he has actually been quite impressive at this manifesto launch.

Although he does keep spoiling it by repeating this £2000 thing that everyone knows is bollocks

He could play it perfectly from now until polling day and it shouldn't matter. Their policies are nonsense that will do nothing to fix the state of the country which he and his party are entirely responsible for.

Oh I agree with all of that, and I don't think today will change the dial at all, but it was a decent performance.

On law and order, pledges include a 25-year prison term for domestic murders, a review of homicide sentencing and a ban on protests outside schools.

A ban on protests outside schools? what is this intended to achieve??

Everything in the Tory manifesto can be put into one of three categories - cut tax, increase spending or dog whistle.

sturginho wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:45 pm

On law and order, pledges include a 25-year prison term for domestic murders, a review of homicide sentencing and a ban on protests outside schools.

A ban on protests outside schools? what is this intended to achieve??

Three years ago, on 25 March 2021, a teacher from Batley Grammar School (BGS) in West Yorkshire was forced into hiding after a religious studies class he gave led to protests from Muslim parents and to death threats. Today, that incident has been largely forgotten

sturginho wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:45 pm

On law and order, pledges include a 25-year prison term for domestic murders, a review of homicide sentencing and a ban on protests outside schools.

A ban on protests outside schools? what is this intended to achieve??

Uninterrupted learning? Kids not feeling intimidated?

I can see some obvious advantages to it.

Raggs wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:48 pm

sturginho wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:45 pm

On law and order, pledges include a 25-year prison term for domestic murders, a review of homicide sentencing and a ban on protests outside schools.

A ban on protests outside schools? what is this intended to achieve??

Uninterrupted learning? Kids not feeling intimidated?

I can see some obvious advantages to it.

Who is protesting outside schools and intimidating the kids? it's the first I've heard of it

What really pisses me off about the state of politics is here are the Tories, throwing out red meat to their prospective voters. If you had given them red meat during your tenure then you wouldn’t be in this mess.

They truly, truly believe people are stupid and it’s so fucking depressing.

sturginho wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:45 pm

On law and order, pledges include a 25-year prison term for domestic murders, a review of homicide sentencing and a ban on protests outside schools.

A ban on protests outside schools? what is this intended to achieve??

Remember that primary school that spent weeks with fundie Muslims protesting outside of it because they dared mention that gay people exist as part of relationship education lessons? Putting a stop to that sort of thing would presumably be the aim.

Raggs wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:48 pm

sturginho wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:45 pm

On law and order, pledges include a 25-year prison term for domestic murders, a review of homicide sentencing and a ban on protests outside schools.

A ban on protests outside schools? what is this intended to achieve??

Uninterrupted learning? Kids not feeling intimidated?

I can see some obvious advantages to it.

Maybe teachers who show an image of a religious figure won’t be fear for their lives

sturginho wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:45 pm

On law and order, pledges include a 25-year prison term for domestic murders, a review of homicide sentencing and a ban on protests outside schools.

A ban on protests outside schools? what is this intended to achieve??

Stoping teacher strikes presumably

The boy Squires never disappoints:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/pi ... l-election

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:52 pm

sturginho wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:45 pm

On law and order, pledges include a 25-year prison term for domestic murders, a review of homicide sentencing and a ban on protests outside schools.

A ban on protests outside schools? what is this intended to achieve??

Remember that primary school that spent weeks with fundie Muslims protesting outside of it because they dared mention that gay people exist as part of relationship education lessons? Putting a stop to that sort of thing would presumably be the aim.

Oh ok, that kinda makes sense I guess, although I'd have thought the Tories would be more outraged by the fact that schools have relationship education lessons

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:54 pm

sturginho wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:45 pm

On law and order, pledges include a 25-year prison term for domestic murders, a review of homicide sentencing and a ban on protests outside schools.

A ban on protests outside schools? what is this intended to achieve??

Stoping teacher strikes presumably

My first thought was that they wanted to stop the students themselves from protesting

sturginho wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:45 pm

On law and order, pledges include a 25-year prison term for domestic murders, a review of homicide sentencing and a ban on protests outside schools.

A ban on protests outside schools? what is this intended to achieve??

More parking for X5s outside the gates.

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:28 pm

sturginho wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:45 pm

On law and order, pledges include a 25-year prison term for domestic murders, a review of homicide sentencing and a ban on protests outside schools.

A ban on protests outside schools? what is this intended to achieve??

More parking for X5s outside the gates.

A Tory policy if ever I heard it

Sunak making it clear that his family had to make a lot of sacrifices when he was a kid. They didn’t have Sky TV, was his example.

This was while he was at private school. I’m sure that’s a real comfort that single parents struggling to raise their kids will associate with.

Once again demonstrating his complete lack of empathy with the real lives of most people.

He’s astonishingly bad at politics and deserves everything he’ll get. Could do without journalist twitter lining up to outdo each other as to how much poverty they grew up with in response, such a bizarre industry

Christ! He's just so bad at it. Out of touch doesn't begin to describe him.

Grant Shapps on Times radio per the Graun:

In this case, of course, the concern would be that if Keir Starmer were to go into No 10 – it will either be Rishi Sunak, or Keir Starmer there’s no other outcomes to this election – and that power was in some way unchecked, it would be very bad news for people in this country.

A blank cheque approach allowing someone to do anything they wanted*, particularly when their particular set of plans are so vague, and they say ‘change’, but you have no idea what they actually want to change to, other than the fact that they’ve outlined plans which would cost £2,094 to every working family in this country.

It’s perfectly legitimate to say the country doesn’t function well when you get majorities the size of Blair’s** or even bigger and we would say there are a lot of very good, hardworking MPs who can hold the government of the day to account and we’d say those are Conservative MPs.

* You mean like the Tories had with their post-2019 majority, Grant?

** I think most people have fonder memories of life under Blair than under the past 14 years of Tory government


Nice to see him basically conceding that the Tories are now fighting to be the opposition.

Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:59 am Sunak making it clear that his family had to make a lot of sacrifices when he was a kid. They didn’t have Sky TV, was his example.

This was while he was at private school. I’m sure that’s a real comfort that single parents struggling to raise their kids will associate with.

Once again demonstrating his complete lack of empathy with the real lives of most people.

Also, upper-middle class families didn't have Sky TV because it was too common, not because they were making sacrifices.

SaintK wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:42 am Christ! He's just so bad at it. Out of touch doesn't begin to describe him.

He is a bit like Prince Andrew in that he is so isolated from real life he has probably walked away from that interview thinking it had gone well and his reference to Sky TV showed he was a. real man of the people and connected to the poorest in society!

The best thing the Tories could do now is break his leg in an 'accident', perhaps both his legs, and get him away from any form of tv or radio interviews. Someone really needs to take away his shovel, sack his advisors and get someone at least half human, if such a thing exists in the remains of the Tory Party, to front up their election battle. Every time he appears on tv he shrinks their vote by another few percentage points. Serves the Tory feckers right to end up with the man who couldn't beat Truss who in turn was well beaten by an Iceberg lettuce! Whilst I delight in the feckers self imposed misery I am equally worried about what this means for the Reform Ltd vote and frog faced racist twat Farage.

SaintK wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:42 am Christ! He's just so bad at it. Out of touch doesn't begin to describe him.

It doesn't even take great intellect or insight to say something more suitable such as "I recognise that when growing up I had privileges not available to the large majority of young people, and what I intend to do is make sure that those opportunities are available to everyone no matter the circumstances of their upbringing"