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sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:09 pm Looks like Neild was offside for that.

Raggs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:10 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:09 pm Looks like Neild was offside for that.

He's not part of the ruck even. I thought that might be the case when it first happened, glad they went back.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:23 pm Not being funny this has been the interpretation of the laws for years now, and this is his full time job. Don’t enter collisions like that and don’t play the victim, there’s a good chance that you’ve just cost your team the game

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:28 pm That's an unusual try for a big, slow lock!

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:37 pm I don't mind Richards. He's done his punishment for previous misdeeds. He gets more than the sum of its parts from his teams and that is the mark of a good man-manager. He plays very attractive rugby as well and clearly has a good eye for spotting talent.

I'd have him as England coach in a heartbeat over Eddiot.

Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:37 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:37 pm I don't mind Richards. He's done his punishment for previous misdeeds. He gets more than the sum of its parts from his teams and that is the mark of a good man-manager. He plays very attractive rugby as well and clearly has a good eye for spotting talent.

I'd have him as England coach in a heartbeat over Eddiot.

He shouldn't, and never will be, within a million miles of getting the England gig.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:57 pm In other news, Ealing just lost to the Cornish Pirates. Pressure will be on them now.

FalconJock wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:47 pm There should be the promtion for the Championship winners as the Premiership plans to expand to 14 teams next season with a further season of no relegation for 22/23 season.

Might be interesting to see what happens if say Bedford won the Championship as they have always intimated that they would not seek promotion if they won the Championship/Play Offs


https://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/r ... relegation

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:57 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:37 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:37 pm I don't mind Richards. He's done his punishment for previous misdeeds. He gets more than the sum of its parts from his teams and that is the mark of a good man-manager. He plays very attractive rugby as well and clearly has a good eye for spotting talent.

I'd have him as England coach in a heartbeat over Eddiot.

He shouldn't, and never will be, within a million miles of getting the England gig.

If some of the public comments of Eddie Jones, not to mention the lamentable performances, are acceptable then I don't see a problem with Dean Richards particularly if he gets England playing the all-court game that he has got from the club sides he's coached. Look at the demise of Leicester since he left.

Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:50 pm
That's just 'whataboutery'. I'm not Jones fan but that's no reason to want Richards. As for Leicester, the decline had well and truly set in under his leadership.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:48 pm Definitely ends up as more of an elbow than a shoulder, but the intent is clearly thereto pile in with all his weight behind a shoulder hit. Would be ridiculous if it wasn't cited and met with at least an 8 week ban (probably halved for no previous, managing to say sorry in a convincing tone of voice and not scoffing all the biscuits).

ASMO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:14 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:48 pm Definitely ends up as more of an elbow than a shoulder, but the intent is clearly thereto pile in with all his weight behind a shoulder hit. Would be ridiculous if it wasn't cited and met with at least an 8 week ban (probably halved for no previous, managing to say sorry in a convincing tone of voice and not scoffing all the biscuits).

Maxwell Keys is a dogshit ref at best

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:11 am

ASMO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:14 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:48 pm Definitely ends up as more of an elbow than a shoulder, but the intent is clearly thereto pile in with all his weight behind a shoulder hit. Would be ridiculous if it wasn't cited and met with at least an 8 week ban (probably halved for no previous, managing to say sorry in a convincing tone of voice and not scoffing all the biscuits).

Maxwell Keys is a dogshit ref at best

As a Wasps fan I'm happy to agree, but it was Christrophe Ridley and TMO Claire Hodnet that missed this particular incident.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:48 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:50 pm
That's just 'whataboutery'. I'm not Jones fan but that's no reason to want Richards. As for Leicester, the decline had well and truly set in under his leadership.

I mentioned Jones to demonstrate that press conference gobshites are considered fair game by the RFU for the England job.

Could you expand on your opinion that Leicester were well into their decline when they sacked Richards? He'd won 4x Premierships and 2x HECs in just six seasons in his first coaching job.

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:59 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:48 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:50 pm
That's just 'whataboutery'. I'm not Jones fan but that's no reason to want Richards. As for Leicester, the decline had well and truly set in under his leadership.

I mentioned Jones to demonstrate that press conference gobshites are considered fair game by the RFU for the England job.

Could you expand on your opinion that Leicester were well into their decline when they sacked Richards? He'd won 4x Premierships and 2x HECs in just six seasons in his first coaching job.

Certainly. In the lead up to him leaving, Leicester won just 3 of their previous 12 games in the Zurich Premiership - he 'resigned/was sacked' when it was clear that the players (and, I assume the Board) had no confidence in his ability to lead them out of trouble.

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:59 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:48 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:50 pm
That's just 'whataboutery'. I'm not Jones fan but that's no reason to want Richards. As for Leicester, the decline had well and truly set in under his leadership.

I mentioned Jones to demonstrate that press conference gobshites are considered fair game by the RFU for the England job.

Could you expand on your opinion that Leicester were well into their decline when they sacked Richards? He'd won 4x Premierships and 2x HECs in just six seasons in his first coaching job.

Certainly. In the lead up to him leaving, Leicester won just 3 of their previous 12 games in the Zurich Premiership - he 'resigned' when it was clear that the players (and, I assume the Board) had no confidence in his ability to lead them out of trouble.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:30 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:59 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:48 pm


I mentioned Jones to demonstrate that press conference gobshites are considered fair game by the RFU for the England job.

Could you expand on your opinion that Leicester were well into their decline when they sacked Richards? He'd won 4x Premierships and 2x HECs in just six seasons in his first coaching job.

Certainly. In the lead up to him leaving, Leicester won just 3 of their previous 12 games in the Zurich Premiership - he 'resigned' when it was clear that the players (and, I assume the Board) had no confidence in his ability to lead them out of trouble.

Oh ye of little faith Leicester.

I might be wrong but I don't think there's an English coach who has won more domestically or in Europe than Richards.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:51 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:30 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:59 pm

Certainly. In the lead up to him leaving, Leicester won just 3 of their previous 12 games in the Zurich Premiership - he 'resigned' when it was clear that the players (and, I assume the Board) had no confidence in his ability to lead them out of trouble.

Oh ye of little faith Leicester.

I might be wrong but I don't think there's an English coach who has won more domestically or in Europe than Richards.

So you're saying that the "recent" results should have been ignored for his commendable record with them in general?

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:20 pm Is that you crying on the video?

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:28 pm So tournament wins, record equally win streaks, highest win percentage etc are probably things you'd agree that we should look at in terms of defending poor performances at times?

And tell me again how you feel about Eddie Jones

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:18 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:28 pm So tournament wins, record equally win streaks, highest win percentage etc are probably things you'd agree that we should look at in terms of defending poor performances at times?

And tell me again how you feel about Eddie Jones

Eddie Jones is abysmal. If England had the same board of directors that Leicester had when Richards was sacked then Jones would have been kicked out the first time he finished fifth in the 6Ns, let alone waited for a second time in just six seasons.

Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:58 am

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:18 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:28 pm So tournament wins, record equally win streaks, highest win percentage etc are probably things you'd agree that we should look at in terms of defending poor performances at times?

And tell me again how you feel about Eddie Jones

Eddie Jones is abysmal. If England had the same board of directors that Leicester had when Richards was sacked then Jones would have been kicked out the first time he finished fifth in the 6Ns, let alone waited for a second time in just six seasons.

But you think Leicester were wrong - logically, therefore, you should be supporting the RFU's approach with Jones.

Going back to Richards - the situation with the team, during that period, was shambolic. He seemed to have completely lost the plot at the time and was making some really bizarre team selections. It was really hard to understand what was going on. The results improved dramatically when he was released. And, although he has had some, limited, success - he hasn't won a top honour in the subsequent 16 years. Not exactly a recent record that screams 'England Coach'.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:28 am He's also kept Newcastle in the Premiership since he was appointed back in 2012 when they were in The Championship. That's no mean feat considering they have the smallest budget in the league. They play an attractive style too which belies what one might imagine a gruff behemoth like Richards would like the way the game is played.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:28 am

Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:58 am

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:18 pm



Eddie Jones is abysmal. If England had the same board of directors that Leicester had when Richards was sacked then Jones would have been kicked out the first time he finished fifth in the 6Ns, let alone waited for a second time in just six seasons.

But you think Leicester were wrong - logically, therefore, you should be supporting the RFU's approach with Jones.

Going back to Richards - the situation with the team, during that period, was shambolic. He seemed to have completely lost the plot at the time and was making some really bizarre team selections. It was really hard to understand what was going on. The results improved dramatically when he was released. And, although he has had some, limited, success - he hasn't won a top honour in the subsequent 16 years. Not exactly a recent record that screams 'England Coach'.

If you want to play the strawman game of compare the club coach record to the England coach record then go for it.

Your describing of events in the year 2004 as if it were yesterday is impressive. Now, you might have a great memory or you might be using hyperbole and bullshit. I don't know. What I do know is that in six years, Richards won 4x league and 2x HECs. That's not a fluke. I've also just read he resigned rather than was sacked which suggests he felt he wasn't getting the support that he felt he needed to continue that run of success. The 17 years since he left suggest Richards was right.

He's also kept Newcastle in the Premiership since he was appointed back in 2012 when they were in The Championship. That's no mean feat considering they have the smallest budget in the league. They play an attractive style too which belies what one might imagine a gruff behemoth like Richards would like the way the game is played.

In contrast, Jones has had the best of everything. A five-star training centre, more access to the players, more EQPs, thriving academies. And after six years do you really think the England team are better equipped, better coached and better selected than they were before he started back in 2015?

I'm not advocating that Richards should necessarily be the next England coach either by the way, but I do think he'd be an improvement. A significant one on Jones. I also don't think Bloodgate should exclude him either - he lost three years of his career due to that, he's done his penalty.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:25 am So we're all agreed, Eddie is shite?