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Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:03 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:35 am Expect a deal next Tuesday according to The Sun.

It will be a sell out, which is why Boris is hiding.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:26 am https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rope-india

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:33 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:03 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:35 am Expect a deal next Tuesday according to The Sun.

It will be a sell out, which is why Boris is hiding.

When you say sell out, do you mean the EU gets everything they want? Or do you see a workable compromise?

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:45 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:33 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:03 am



It will be a sell out, which is why Boris is hiding.

When you say sell out, do you mean the EU gets everything they want? Or do you see a workable compromise?

Bearing in mind that this is the easiest deal in history, anything other than a complete capitulation by the EU will be regarded as a sellout, obviously, and any negotiating team that didn't bring home an agreement acquiescing on all demands will be regarded as having sold out.

I think that's what he means.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:33 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:03 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:35 am Expect a deal next Tuesday according to The Sun.

It will be a sell out, which is why Boris is hiding.

When you say sell out, do you mean the EU gets everything they want? Or do you see a workable compromise?

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:02 am Interesting article in the Torygraph yesterday comparing a no deal with a Canada deal
The estimate was that the average person would be 0.8% worse off with no deal over 10 years, so about £200 quid a year. I know we'd all prefer to have 200 hundred quid in our pockets than not, especially if we're a bit short of cash, but Canada is hardly "Cake".

Justin Trudeau, Canada’s prime minister, has claimed that Britain is struggling to conclude a trade deal with his country before the Brexit transition ends on January 1 because it does not have “the bandwidth”.

Mr Trudeau said Canada was highly experienced at striking trade deals and was ready to conclude an agreement with the UK, rolling over the terms of the existing EU-Canada deal when the transition period ends.

“The UK hasn’t had to negotiate trade deals in the past few decades,” Mr Trudeau told the Financial Times. “So there is an issue of not really having the bandwidth within government to move forward on this.”

Liz Truss, Britain’s international trade secretary, denies that Britain does not have enough capacity or trade negotiators to do a deal, and her allies say she hopes to get an agreement across the line by January 1.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:26 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:33 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:03 am



It will be a sell out, which is why Boris is hiding.

When you say sell out, do you mean the EU gets everything they want? Or do you see a workable compromise?

I think that permanent decisions made which will harm the UK for a long term timeframe to avoid very very short term problems caused.

If the EU is left in charge of our state aid policy for now and future law changes by them we’ve handed a huge amount of power to a foreign body which we will have little control over.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:49 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:45 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:33 am

When you say sell out, do you mean the EU gets everything they want? Or do you see a workable compromise?

Bearing in mind that this is the easiest deal in history, anything other than a complete capitulation by the EU will be regarded as a sellout, obviously, and any negotiating team that didn't bring home an agreement acquiescing on all demands will be regarded as having sold out.

I think that's what he means.

I was hoping for a sensible reply to my question really

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:04 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:49 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:45 am
Bearing in mind that this is the easiest deal in history, anything other than a complete capitulation by the EU will be regarded as a sellout, obviously, and any negotiating team that didn't bring home an agreement acquiescing on all demands will be regarded as having sold out.

I think that's what he means.

I was hoping for a sensible reply to my question really

From bimbot?

Dream on.

DfE tells schools to stock up on long-life products in case of no-deal Brexit

Schools advised to prepare for ‘changes to food supply chain’ from 1 January as police chiefs warn stalemate will damage crime fighting

Schools have been told to stock up on longer shelf life products in preparation for a no-deal Brexit, as police chiefs warned that such an outcome would damage their ability to fight crime.

Department for Education (DfE) guidance published on Tuesday urged schools to prepare for what was described as “possible changes to their food supply chain” from 1 January “so they can minimise the effect on pupils and young people in their care”.

Stressing that schools would still be responsible for meeting children’s dietary requirements, the guidance said necessary changes might include “varying the timing and number of deliveries to allow for transport delays” and “ordering longer shelf life products during this period, such as frozen foods or foods that can be safely stored at room temperature”.

Unions expressed concern with Paul Whiteman, general secretary of school leaders’ union NAHT warning: “Let’s be frank: there’s almost nothing that any school can meaningfully do to mitigate the effects of Brexit, as they have no control over what will happen after 1 January.”

“So it is entirely wrong for the government to offload responsibility for a successful Brexit outcome onto schools and other public services.”

The guidance came as a new letter from police chiefs warned that a no-deal Brexit would cause “major” operational damage to their ability to fight crime and terrorism. Crucial tools used millions of times a year would be lost, with their replacements slower and less effective, the letter from police chiefs warned.
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Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:35 am Expect a deal next Tuesday according to The Sun.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:16 pm Coveney says that the EU27 won't ratify any deal if the UK hasn't removed the IM Bill
So how will both sides square this one?

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:44 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:16 pm Coveney says that the EU27 won't ratify any deal if the UK hasn't removed the IM Bill
So how will both sides square this one?

The commons doesn't re-insert the clauses that break International Law ?

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:41 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:26 am https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rope-india

Oh, the ironing!

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:53 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:41 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:26 am https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rope-india

Oh, the ironing!

Anyone else dread being the poor cnut who has to call that Indian call centre to discuss an issue with your Brexit paperwork?

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:18 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:53 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:41 am

Oh, the ironing!

Anyone else dread being the poor cnut who has to call that Indian call centre to discuss an issue with your Brexit paperwork?

Its all about sovereignty and taking back control init?

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:16 pm Coveney says that the EU27 won't ratify any deal if the UK hasn't removed the IM Bill
So how will both sides square this one?

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:25 pm You and fishy in agreement?
My flabber is gasted

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:21 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:16 pm Coveney says that the EU27 won't ratify any deal if the UK hasn't removed the IM Bill
So how will both sides square this one?

Pass the bill without the causes. Pass them later if required.

They’re there to demonstrate he internal market can always be protected.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:50 pm

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:21 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:16 pm Coveney says that the EU27 won't ratify any deal if the UK hasn't removed the IM Bill
So how will both sides square this one?

Pass the bill without the causes. Pass them later if required.

They’re there to demonstrate he internal market can always be protected.

and that's why "Governance", now appears on the list of things to be agreed, for any deal.

The IMB pissed anyway any remaining goodwill for the UK; so any deal will have to have resolution mechanisms agreed, if the UK trys pulling a fast one in the future.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:58 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:16 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:32 am Sandstorm was right about the goalposts, this is the Brexit thread.

So there are no positives aside from sticking to the outcome of that referendum? Is that what you are saying?

The following through on democracy in a democracy is a massive benefit once the vote had been had. I keep saying this and even tried to demonstrate this using something you expose.

I’ve again done this in crayon which seems again to have failed.

I’ll try one more time.

What are the benefits other than acting on the result of the referendum?

Is there a problem with the question?

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:17 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:58 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:16 am



The following through on democracy in a democracy is a massive benefit once the vote had been had. I keep saying this and even tried to demonstrate this using something you expose.

I’ve again done this in crayon which seems again to have failed.

I’ll try one more time.

What are the benefits other than acting on the result of the referendum?

Is there a problem with the question?

why do you think there need to be? We are still currently a democracy.

Well, for a start I think the word itself is a red herring, those who use it as an incantation regarding Brexit were usually also the ones most vociferous in their objections to a second referendum once more was actually known about what Brexit would entail.

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:10 pm Don’t see a better place to put it but have to be fair and say the governments/Boris green plans are a huge step forward, radical even

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:25 am And now we're going to spaff money on our own Space Force. GB! GB! GB!

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:04 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:10 pm Don’t see a better place to put it but have to be fair and say the governments/Boris green plans are a huge step forward, radical even

The problem isn't the message; it's the messenger.

With his track record on pissing away vast amounts of money on vanity projects; mostly going to consultants; there's probably an understandable skepticism on what'll be delivered, compared with what's promised.

I'd have doubts about the amount of money being committed, will prove remotely close to whats needed. How much will developing & building, just the Nuclear power plants ?

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:00 pm And now it appears that the money Caroline Lucas ((C) Farage) has promised to the big green shakeup has largely already been announced, with only £3bn actually being new funds. Stop me if you've heard this before.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:44 pm Covid might win
Talks suspended
EU member of team positive

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:52 pm Just from the last page, I'd like to highlight that 77% self sufficient means you're not self sufficient.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:59 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:52 pm Just from the last page, I'd like to highlight that 77% self sufficient means you're not self sufficient.

Wow
Who knew that?