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Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 2:06 pm
by Flockwitt
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 12:34 pm
Sounds like things not going so well for UA for their Kursk operation with ground being lost steadily, which would be unfortunate from the POV of tit-for-tat land occupation leverage but have to wonder if these forces would be better redeployed along the main front lines in areas where UA forces have been more successful lately for counterattacks around Pokrovsk and Toretsk?
Probably not, though that will depend on the tactical situation, if supply routes have been cut. But in Kursk Ukraine can set the front line where and how they chose. Once the troops there move away they then have to fight in a location where the front line is determined by other factors not to Ukraine's advantage. Then there is the question of what happens to the Russian troops commited to freeing Kursk. There they are force to attack by a political directive which over-rides sound military tactics and in doing so forced to fight Ukraine's best units. Once freed from that task they'll be better employed.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 2:29 pm
by sockwithaticket
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 4:55 pm
by geordie_6
Christ, if there's any truth to that...
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 6:01 pm
by tabascoboy
The Trumpist elite really are clueless #26348865
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:18 pm
by sockwithaticket
geordie_6 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 4:55 pm
Christ, if there's any truth to that...
He's been accused of shutting it off and copromising combat capability long before he ever publicly got into bed with Trump. Wouldn't surprise me at all for this to be true, especially as Ukraine/Poland are openly seeking an EU based alternative and we know he's an insecure manchild.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:26 pm
by geordie_6
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:18 pm
geordie_6 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 4:55 pm
Christ, if there's any truth to that...
He's been accused of shutting it off and copromising combat capability long before he ever publicly got into bed with Trump. Wouldn't surprise me at all for this to be true, especially as Ukraine/Poland are openly seeking an EU based alternative and we know he's an insecure manchild.
Shutting it off I'd almost get, as the US administration is cutting everything else off ATM. But to actively collude with Russia to get Ukrainians killed? That'll see shit go sideways, rapidly.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:32 pm
by Niegs
Saw another of Dr Seuss' old drawings and thought this one still applied, only change 'Adolf' to 'Vlad'.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:56 pm
by Uncle fester
geordie_6 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:26 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:18 pm
geordie_6 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 4:55 pm
Christ, if there's any truth to that...
He's been accused of shutting it off and copromising combat capability long before he ever publicly got into bed with Trump. Wouldn't surprise me at all for this to be true, especially as Ukraine/Poland are openly seeking an EU based alternative and we know he's an insecure manchild.
Shutting it off I'd almost get, as the US administration is cutting everything else off ATM. But to actively collude with Russia to get Ukrainians killed? That'll see shit go sideways, rapidly.
If that is true, he's going to need protection for life.
He's probably going to need it anyway tbf.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:49 pm
by geordie_6
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:56 pm
geordie_6 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:26 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:18 pm
He's been accused of shutting it off and copromising combat capability long before he ever publicly got into bed with Trump. Wouldn't surprise me at all for this to be true, especially as Ukraine/Poland are openly seeking an EU based alternative and we know he's an insecure manchild.
Shutting it off I'd almost get, as the US administration is cutting everything else off ATM. But to actively collude with Russia to get Ukrainians killed? That'll see shit go sideways, rapidly.
If that is true, he's going to need protection for life.
He's probably going to need it anyway tbf.
He seems to keep breeding his personal shields.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 1:21 pm
by Hellraiser
The Ukrainian armed forces have begun testing the transition to Eutelsat Konnect VHTS One Web. Speed up to 200 Mbps Ping 60 ms. The complete transition could take as little as a month. Starlink can then be decommissioned.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 1:27 pm
by Yeeb
geordie_6 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 4:55 pm
Christ, if there's any truth to that...
If there is no alternative , I wonder if it’s more just Russia has hacked it somehow and is tracking the data location rather than the actual data?
In ww2 there was a tail warning radar put in allied bombers , which the luftwaffe night fighter pilots were able to use to home in on !
This could just be a modern equivalent , akin to cops tracking whereabouts from phone signals and triangulating.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:35 pm
by Raggs
Trump wants Zelenskyy to step down in order to resume aid.
The guys either a thin skinned moron, or Krasnov.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:49 pm
by Flockwitt
Looks like the Kursk salient has been shrunk enough it is time to get out. Without intel and knowledge when Russia is putting up its aircraft its single supply route is becoming untenable.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:14 pm
by geordie_6
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c51ypekv9xwt
Live blog, but US have agreed to restart Intel sharing and "security assistance", with a possible 30 day temporary ceasefire close IF Russia agree to it and implement it.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:48 pm
by sockwithaticket
Yeeb wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 1:27 pm
geordie_6 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 4:55 pm
Christ, if there's any truth to that...
If there is no alternative , I wonder if it’s more just Russia has hacked it somehow and is tracking the data location rather than the actual data?
In ww2 there was a tail warning radar put in allied bombers , which the luftwaffe night fighter pilots were able to use to home in on !
This could just be a modern equivalent , akin to cops tracking whereabouts from phone signals and triangulating.
Could be, but Musk has become more and more vocally anti-Ukraine while parroting Kremlin propaganda lines (Ukraine started it, the most important thing is that the killing stops etc.)
Plus his existing form for interfering with Starlink usage in this conflict in a way that penalised Ukraine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66752264
It was USAID's probe into Musk's relationship to Starlink usage in Ukraine that made it his first target department when his nonsense 'government effiiency' department was set up.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:11 pm
by Hellraiser
US arms supplies and intel sharing have apparently resumed after the negotiations in Riyadh.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:55 pm
by Hellraiser
Just watching a Ukrainian Army TV video on Leopard 2A6s and Strv 122s in the 21st Mechanized Brigade. The tank commander interviewed stated that one of its Leopard 2A6 hit and penetrated the frontal armour of a T-72 at 5,500m. If confirmed that's the longest direct fire tank-on-tank kill in history.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:18 pm
by Uncle fester
Ceasefire imminent?
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:29 pm
by Raggs
Hellraiser wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:11 pm
US arms supplies and intel sharing have apparently resumed after the negotiations in Riyadh.
The supplies are apparently the rest of the stuff agreed by biden, it's not new stuff from trump.
Intel will be useful though.
Russia might consider the ceasefire once they get kursk, give them time to dig in. Ukraine can use the time to get off starlink and arm up with lots of drones to hit intel identified targets.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:53 pm
by Uncle fester
Radio silence from Russia.
Imagine they'll say no. Wonder will trump berate then for this...
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:09 pm
by Hellraiser
Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:29 pm
Hellraiser wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:11 pm
US arms supplies and intel sharing have apparently resumed after the negotiations in Riyadh.
The supplies are apparently the rest of the stuff agreed by biden, it's not new stuff from trump.
Intel will be useful though.
Russia might consider the ceasefire once they get kursk, give them time to dig in. Ukraine can use the time to get off starlink and arm up with lots of drones to hit intel identified targets.
I'm well aware. The Biden approved stuff will go deep into next Autumn though.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:19 pm
by Hellraiser
Portugal Transfers Missile-Ready Puma Helicopters to Ukraine in €220 Million Aid Package
Portugal has delivered eight SA-330 Puma helicopters to Ukraine as part of its latest military aid package, Militarnyi reports. These helicopters, once used by the Portuguese Air Force, are capable of launching Exocet anti-ship missiles, giving Ukraine enhanced strike capabilities against Russian naval forces.
The SA-330 Pumas are equipped with ORB-31 X-band radar for target detection, navigation, and fire control. This allows them to engage surface and submerged threats, making them valuable to Ukraine’s Black Sea operations. Though decommissioned in 2009, Portugal kept them in storage and later offered them for sale in 2014. These helicopters were replaced by EH-101 Merlin helicopters but remain operational for troop transport and search-and-rescue missions.
Portuguese Prime Minister Luís Montenegro confirmed that Lisbon’s military aid to Ukraine in 2024 exceeded €220 million and that similar support will continue in 2025.
These are still in service with the French, Brits, and Romanians, so spare parts won't be an issue.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:16 am
by geordie_6
Hellraiser wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:19 pm
Portugal Transfers Missile-Ready Puma Helicopters to Ukraine in €220 Million Aid Package
Portugal has delivered eight SA-330 Puma helicopters to Ukraine as part of its latest military aid package, Militarnyi reports. These helicopters, once used by the Portuguese Air Force, are capable of launching Exocet anti-ship missiles, giving Ukraine enhanced strike capabilities against Russian naval forces.
The SA-330 Pumas are equipped with ORB-31 X-band radar for target detection, navigation, and fire control. This allows them to engage surface and submerged threats, making them valuable to Ukraine’s Black Sea operations. Though decommissioned in 2009, Portugal kept them in storage and later offered them for sale in 2014. These helicopters were replaced by EH-101 Merlin helicopters but remain operational for troop transport and search-and-rescue missions.
Portuguese Prime Minister Luís Montenegro confirmed that Lisbon’s military aid to Ukraine in 2024 exceeded €220 million and that similar support will continue in 2025.
These are still in service with the French, Brits, and Romanians, so spare parts won't be an issue.
Sure I've read somewhere that the MoD are phasing out our Pumas, so they may be available in the near future too.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:50 am
by Sandstorm
geordie_6 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:16 am
Sure I've read somewhere that the MoD are phasing out our Pumas
They don't work on the new carrier?
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:14 am
by laurent
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:50 am
geordie_6 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:16 am
Sure I've read somewhere that the MoD are phasing out our Pumas
They don't work on the new carrier?
They are old and the MOD are looking to replace them. No replacements announced yet.
The puma was built until 1987
They are being phased out in France too there are modernised versions though that will be used for much longer (Super Puma, Cougar, Caracal)
The UK ones were refitted in 2014.
it's the carrier that don't work
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:34 am
by geordie_6
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:50 am
geordie_6 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:16 am
Sure I've read somewhere that the MoD are phasing out our Pumas
They don't work on the new carrier?
Nothing works on the new carrier, including the new carrier...
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 1:05 pm
by tabascoboy
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:04 pm
by Flockwitt
So Ukraine has retreated out of Kursk. It looks like in context a sensible move. Let's see what happens with Russia's response to the cease fire discussions.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:28 pm
by tabascoboy
Flockwitt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:04 pm
So Ukraine has retreated out of Kursk. It looks like in context a sensible move. Let's see what happens with Russia's response to the cease fire discussions.
Wouldn't surprise me if a little behind the scenes assistance from the US (e.g. the Starlink matter) in order to expedite removal of Ukrainian occupation in Kursk was required by RU as a condition for further talks. Putin can breathe a sigh of relief now even if the embarrassment of the initial incursion remains a negative mark.
Long thread concerning the experience of the incursion from the UA side
Easier to read here
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1899 ... 61468.html
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:38 pm
by Flockwitt
My thoughts also. It gives Trump a ‘win’ so on goes the aid again.
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:33 am
by tabascoboy
One of Ukraine’s two SAMP/T surface-to-air missile batteries has shot down a Russian warplane [unspecified Sukhoi fighter] for the first time. That’s obvious good news for Ukraine, which could rely more on the Franco-Italian air defense system—Europe’s answer to the American Patriot.
But the news belies the scarcity of SAMP/Ts—and their Aster missiles—not just in Ukraine, but everywhere.
“There is a confirmed aircraft,” Yuriy Ihnat, a Ukrainian air force spokesman, said at a recent industry event. Ukraine has received separate SAMP/T batteries, each with radars and launchers, from France and Italy. A $500-million SAMP/T battery can hit aircraft and missiles from 90 miles away.
It’s the only Western alternative to the Patriot, around six batteries of which Ukraine has received from the United States, Germany, Romania and The Netherlands.
Full story at
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2 ... v=xlrecirc
Re: What's going on in Ukraine?
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:18 am
by laurent
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:33 am
One of Ukraine’s two SAMP/T surface-to-air missile batteries has shot down a Russian warplane [unspecified Sukhoi fighter] for the first time. That’s obvious good news for Ukraine, which could rely more on the Franco-Italian air defense system—Europe’s answer to the American Patriot.
But the news belies the scarcity of SAMP/Ts—and their Aster missiles—not just in Ukraine, but everywhere.
“There is a confirmed aircraft,” Yuriy Ihnat, a Ukrainian air force spokesman, said at a recent industry event. Ukraine has received separate SAMP/T batteries, each with radars and launchers, from France and Italy. A $500-million SAMP/T battery can hit aircraft and missiles from 90 miles away.
It’s the only Western alternative to the Patriot, around six batteries of which Ukraine has received from the United States, Germany, Romania and The Netherlands.
Full story at
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2 ... v=xlrecirc
Yes main issue with SAMP/T is lack of ammunition with only 3 European countries using it MBDA has little capacity (funny thing is that there is apparently a US campaign to denigrate the system).
The Germans don't appear to want to come onboard and when they did a euro shield they plugged the patriot system (possibly because MBDA has mid range stuff too in concurence with IRIS system).
To be clear all EU systems are lacking Ammo as the numbers produced are too small to get near US AMMO stockpiles.
