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Having been at uni with medical students, they are not scientists (some obviously are, but more the GPs etc). They have the grounding that they could be, but it's more about making connections. Get symptoms, get idea of person, come up with idea of ailment, prescribe best medicine. Minds busy making connections all the time, but not necessarily needing to worry about actual science, could easily fall prey for conspiracy theories etc.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:38 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:12 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:12 am

But not always. Spanish flu second wave was way more lethal than the first.

Less than 1% fatal rate is not going to impact it's evolution at all as it is though. It's not going to burn through all it's hosts with a fatality rate that low anyway, there's no pressure whatsoever on fatality rate. Transmission is always likely to increase is more the issue, since increasing transmissibility is an immediate evolutionary advantage.

I'm not sure how your post relates to mine?

Even if 1% lethality was to remain unchanged with a new more transmittable strain, deaths will increase due to more people having it.

It will also increase the risk of further mutations in a more dangerous direction and possibly making current vaccines ineffective.

It was more just continuing the conversation, targeting Biffer.

Nearly 330k doses delivered on Friday then. Will be interesting to see what the weekend numbers look like tomorrow and Monday

The mentality of some people...
Friends of my parents, both in their 90s have their jab coming up on Friday, her first comment, I can pop into Lidl then seeing as it's next door to the clinic...FFS....

TB63 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:02 pm The mentality of some people...
Friends of my parents, both in their 90s have their jab coming up on Friday, her first comment, I can pop into Lidl then seeing as it's next door to the clinic...FFS....

I've given up being amazed by anything surrounding how people are viewing the pandemic these days. Just glad that the numbers appear to be dropping through the floor locally

TB63 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:02 pm The mentality of some people...
Friends of my parents, both in their 90s have their jab coming up on Friday, her first comment, I can pop into Lidl then seeing as it's next door to the clinic...FFS....

90 year olds are probably all suffering from various stages of dementia. It’s just what happens at that age unfortunately.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:56 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:02 pm The mentality of some people...
Friends of my parents, both in their 90s have their jab coming up on Friday, her first comment, I can pop into Lidl then seeing as it's next door to the clinic...FFS....

90 year olds are probably all suffering from various stages of dementia. It’s just what happens at that age unfortunately.

I'd quite happily agree that both my parents are nuttier than a squirrels turd, but, they both have all faculties intact..

TB63 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:03 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:56 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:02 pm The mentality of some people...
Friends of my parents, both in their 90s have their jab coming up on Friday, her first comment, I can pop into Lidl then seeing as it's next door to the clinic...FFS....

90 year olds are probably all suffering from various stages of dementia. It’s just what happens at that age unfortunately.

I'd quite happily agree that both my parents are nuttier than a squirrels turd, but, they both have all faculties intact..

I’m not trying to start a fight, but a 90 year old brain is not 100% intact any more. Medically it’s just not as effective as it was 10 or more years ago. Brains deteriorate. It’s normal. It’s ok.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:07 pm

TB63 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:03 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:56 pm

90 year olds are probably all suffering from various stages of dementia. It’s just what happens at that age unfortunately.

I'd quite happily agree that both my parents are nuttier than a squirrels turd, but, they both have all faculties intact..

I’m not trying to start a fight, but a 90 year old brain is not 100% intact any more. Medically it’s just not as effective as it was 10 or more years ago. Brains deteriorate. It’s normal. It’s ok.

I agree, I see it day to day, forgetfulness, confusion, walking into a room and standing there till someone asks why are you here?. And that's just me...
However, going into Lidl because they had the jab 10 mins previously, even they're not that twp. ...

interview with Dr. Pierre Kory for anyone inerested in the leading edge science supporting IVERMECTIN in prophylaxis & treatment of SARS-COV-2 infection

5:58 The research alliance
9:50 his bio
12:40 evidence presentation begins

New vaccination rate target - 5 million doses per week.

Seeing as we appear to have pretty much reached tge 2 million rate, at least on a daily basis, it's good to see a stretch target that has some semblance of reality in it's basis

That would be a great target to reach. All adults double dosed before next winter with that schedule right?

Raggs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:05 am That would be a great target to reach. All adults double dosed before next winter with that schedule right?

At that schedule we'd be talking June/July I think, depending on how quickly we'd reached that level. Allow a month for the full immunity to kick in and we would be completely clear by August, barring a severe mutation

A bit mad that people feel the need to create something like this, but well done to them quite moving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=deskt ... e=youtu.be

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:33 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:05 am That would be a great target to reach. All adults double dosed before next winter with that schedule right?

At that schedule we'd be talking June/July I think, depending on how quickly we'd reached that level. Allow a month for the full immunity to kick in and we would be completely clear by August, barring a severe mutation

Fingers crossed

Not sure which thread to put this in ...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13851 ... budget/amp

Tax rise warning: Sunak planning new hikes - but stamp duty and council tax could be AXED

Looks like corp tax being the main target. Sounds like the right thing to do at the moment. Tax on profits.

Wealth tax would be an unfair shambles. And not certain how this “ proportional property tax” is going to look. But this whole secondary taxing of the value of net purchased assets is grossly wrong in my view.

With corp tax, there should also be significant target of multinationals doing significant trading within but not “based” in the UK. Those with local “unprofitable” holdings companies. Eg Amazon in UK.

Assume would have more control to manage this outside of the EU.

You could put it on the Tory Scum one for shits and giggles.

Covid vaccinations for Saturday - 298,087. Which sounds like it's maybe ad ews, as it's down from the 320k for Friday. However, for reasons unknown to man nor beast, Scotland and Wales report daily except for weekends. So they're still ramping up - I'd expect it tomlook somewhere around 335kish, maybe 340, once it's all worked out.

In total now 4.3 million known doses delivered in the UK. For all the rest of the shitshow, I am genuinely impressed

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:00 pm Covid vaccinations for Saturday - 298,087. Which sounds like it's maybe ad ews, as it's down from the 320k for Friday. However, for reasons unknown to man nor beast, Scotland and Wales report daily except for weekends. So they're still ramping up - I'd expect it tomlook somewhere around 335kish, maybe 340, once it's all worked out.

In total now 4.3 million known doses delivered in the UK. For all the rest of the shitshow, I am genuinely impressed

That's very good for a Saturday. It's taken about a month to get to 2m doses a week. I assumed it would take longer, I'm also impressed.

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:19 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:00 pm Covid vaccinations for Saturday - 298,087. Which sounds like it's maybe ad ews, as it's down from the 320k for Friday. However, for reasons unknown to man nor beast, Scotland and Wales report daily except for weekends. So they're still ramping up - I'd expect it tomlook somewhere around 335kish, maybe 340, once it's all worked out.

In total now 4.3 million known doses delivered in the UK. For all the rest of the shitshow, I am genuinely impressed

That's very good for a Saturday. It's taken about a month to get to 2m doses a week. I assumed it would take longer, I'm also impressed.

Some of the media "experts" doubted we would hit that rate at all.

10 new mass vax centres opening in England tomorrow

Has anything come to light re the reason for the 29 deaths in Norway? Was it a badly mixed batch or... ???

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:48 pm Has anything come to light re the reason for the 29 deaths in Norway? Was it a badly mixed batch or... ???

It's all a bit unclear. But it's not matching what's been seen in the US and UK, the two countries with the widest deployment of Pfizer

I think it nudged over 300k including second doses.

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:22 am New vaccination rate target - 5 million doses per week.

Seeing as we appear to have pretty much reached tge 2 million rate, at least on a daily basis, it's good to see a stretch target that has some semblance of reality in it's basis

Goodness me, have the awful government actually achieved something? I am surprised you are not all on here fawning over this milestone, as you sure are queuing up to rubbish perceived failures!!


Edit : I take it back there have been some positive comments

tc27 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:11 pm I think it nudged over 300k including second doses.

Missed that. Some 2,000 odd second doses still, so yeah - 300k for England and NI o. Saturday. Eitherway it's an impressive number

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:14 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:22 am New vaccination rate target - 5 million doses per week.

Seeing as we appear to have pretty much reached tge 2 million rate, at least on a daily basis, it's good to see a stretch target that has some semblance of reality in it's basis

Goodness me, have the awful government actually achieved something? I am surprised you are not all on here fawning over this milestone, as you sure are queuing up to rubbish perceived failures!!

WTF are you on about?

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:17 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:14 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:22 am New vaccination rate target - 5 million doses per week.

Seeing as we appear to have pretty much reached tge 2 million rate, at least on a daily basis, it's good to see a stretch target that has some semblance of reality in it's basis

Goodness me, have the awful government actually achieved something? I am surprised you are not all on here fawning over this milestone, as you sure are queuing up to rubbish perceived failures!!

WTF are you on about?

Its pretty obvious (but see edit above)

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:19 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:17 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:14 pm

Goodness me, have the awful government actually achieved something? I am surprised you are not all on here fawning over this milestone, as you sure are queuing up to rubbish perceived failures!!

WTF are you on about?

Its pretty obvious (but see edit above)

And I still don't get it. I've been pretty scathing where they've fucked up (and it's a long list) but I've also been pretty complimentary where they'be got it right - which is basically vaccine policy. I've even defended them where some people have been complaining in this area why they haven't done better.

You want to pick a fight with someone , go talk to Bimbo

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:22 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:19 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:17 pm

WTF are you on about?

Its pretty obvious (but see edit above)

And I still don't get it. I've been pretty scathing where they've fucked up (and it's a long list) but I've also been pretty complimentary where they'be got it right - which is basically vaccine policy. I've even defended them where some people have been complaining in this area why they haven't done better.

You want to pick a fight with someone , go talk to Bimbo

Tbh the comment wasn't aimed at you but the endless knockers on here yours just happened to be the post I quoted that had the figures in it....

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:26 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:22 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:19 pm

Its pretty obvious (but see edit above)

And I still don't get it. I've been pretty scathing where they've fucked up (and it's a long list) but I've also been pretty complimentary where they'be got it right - which is basically vaccine policy. I've even defended them where some people have been complaining in this area why they haven't done better.

You want to pick a fight with someone , go talk to Bimbo

Tbh the comment wasn't aimed at you but the endless knockers on here yours just happened to be the post I quoted that had the figures in it....

How am I supposed to know it's not aimed at me when you'be directly quoted me FFS?

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:28 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:26 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:22 pm


And I still don't get it. I've been pretty scathing where they've fucked up (and it's a long list) but I've also been pretty complimentary where they'be got it right - which is basically vaccine policy. I've even defended them where some people have been complaining in this area why they haven't done better.

You want to pick a fight with someone , go talk to Bimbo

Tbh the comment wasn't aimed at you but the endless knockers on here yours just happened to be the post I quoted that had the figures in it....

How am I supposed to know it's not aimed at me when you'be directly quoted me FFS?

well since 'you are not all' indicates plural I fail to see why you only think I was referring to you...

I had already edited the post and then further clarified my position - its you that seems spoiling for a fight

OS desperately twisting so he doesn’t have to hold his hands up for having a cheap dig.

Great to see the NHS not just hitting but exceding vaccination figures.
Contrast this with the awful track and trace issues and the terrible free school food packages.

Musy say the idiots that have been bashing the NHS have a lot to answer for.
Even Tumnus would agree

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:48 pm Has anything come to light re the reason for the 29 deaths in Norway? Was it a badly mixed batch or... ???

This suggests that the people being vaccinated were old and very frail, which might explain why:

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:38 pm OS desperately twisting so he doesn’t have to hold his hands up for having a cheap dig.

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:40 pm Great to see the NHS not just hitting but exceding vaccination figures.
Contrast this with the awful track and trace issues and the terrible free school food packages.

Musy say the idiots that have been bashing the NHS have a lot to answer for.
Even Tumnus would agree

Good point. They’ll stop complaining if they get threatened with hospital dinners as an alternative.

But in seriousness I had always thought they’d used contractors for track and trace as the efficiently run NHS wouldn’t have the capacity of administrators to take on track and trace on top of what they are already dealing with. Or would it have been manageable and no complaints about trying to do this extra work?

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:38 pm OS desperately twisting so he doesn’t have to hold his hands up for having a cheap dig.

Au contraire , this place is full of whingeing cnuts I just don't think Saint is anywhere near the worst of them.

What a twat.

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:50 pm Au contraire , this place is full of whingeing cnuts I just don't think Saint is anywhere near the worst of them.

I prefer the term liberal elite!

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:50 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:38 pm OS desperately twisting so he doesn’t have to hold his hands up for having a cheap dig.

Au contraire , this place is full of whingeing cnuts I just don't think Saint is anywhere near the worst of them.

Fuck me you never stop moaning about people, do you

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