NPR

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:32 pm Can somebody point out what Tompkins did exactly to provoke that reaction?

It must have been very bad.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:39 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:20 pm

notfatcat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:13 pm I just watched the McGuigan incident. Amazing restraint from Tompkins although it was noticeable that his "Sarries cheerbrag" and head patting set the lunatic off.

Got to say, just watched it myself and have come away very much on McGuigans side in this. All this head tapping and screaming in faces is a blight on the game, fuck them

While that's true, you can't go around judo throwing unresisting opposition players around because they annoyed you.

Sarries had picked up a penalty for all that gloaty bollocks earlier in the game, keeping your cool and allowing the ref to notice it means they could pick up more. As it is McGuigan did exactly what they want by rising to the bait and committing an undeniable offence and spectacle of himself.

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:40 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:39 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:20 pm

Got to say, just watched it myself and have come away very much on McGuigans side in this. All this head tapping and screaming in faces is a blight on the game, fuck them

While that's true, you can't go around judo throwing unresisting opposition players around because they annoyed you.

Sarries had picked up a penalty for all that gloaty bollocks earlier in the game, keeping your cool and allowing the ref to notice it means they could pick up more. As it is McGuigan did exactly what they want by rising to the bait and committing an undeniable offence and spectacle of himself.

Of course that’s true. Didn’t realise the ref was already onto it. They really have become a bit of a scummy club

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:50 am Tend to agree on head taps etc. What I would say is McGuigan is a professional, this is his job. One of us on a back club pitch is well within our rights to clock him. He must have known he was getting a red as soon as he did it. It was, also, no doubt disproportionate.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:10 pm Until the powers that be decide to impose a crackdown on unsportsman like conduct the best way to stamp it out is not to rise to the bait. If it stops giving them an advantage, they'll stop using it as a tactic.

Easy to say from the confines of home rather than in the midst of a full bore pro game, of course.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:11 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:10 pm Until the powers that be decide to impose a crackdown on unsportsman like conduct the best way to stamp it out is not to rise to the bait. If it stops giving them an advantage, they'll stop using it as a tactic.

Easy to say from the confines of home rather than in the midst of a full bore pro game, of course.

If you reverse pens for head taps, they'll also stop using it as a tactic tbf.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:12 pm ALL teams do the head taps and the on-field sledging. Saracens are no worse, you just think they are because they have probably just beaten your team.

inactionman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:18 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:12 pm ALL teams do the head taps and the on-field sledging. Saracens are no worse, you just think they are because they have probably just beaten your team.

I'm not sure anyone is claiming they are any worse than nay other team.

Although they are the worst.

Is it a good look, for example, to talk at length about how crucial it is to treat modern players with more individual sensitivity these days and then to publicly castigate Worcester’s Ollie Lawrence for the crime of not training as relentlessly as the great Beauden Barrett and attracting a few headlines as a possible successor to Manu Tuilagi? “He’s still a kid, only 21, but the way that some of the media raves about him you would think he’s already assured of becoming one of the best players in the world. He might do that, one day, but his attitude was not hungry or disciplined enough.”

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“I sometimes go harder on the younger players because I want to … make them understand that they are entitled to nothing,” he writes, reflecting on the lessons of England’s uneasy 2021 Six Nations campaign. “England lost their way partly because of a creeping sense of entitlement which ate away at the core values and principles we had established. Complacency corrupts the soul of the team. When that happens, the core of the team cracks open and you have to start again.”

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“We will play some lovely rugby in the next year or so,” he forecasts at one point. “But I know that by the time the World Cup begins in 2023, we will revert to more pragmatic rugby.”

“England lost their way partly because of a creeping sense of entitlement which ate away at the core values and principles we had established. Complacency corrupts the soul of the team. When that happens, the core of the team cracks open and you have to start again.”

Always a possibility, of course, but perhaps there is also an argument that Jones’s blanket suspicion of youthful prodigies is increasingly dated and counterproductive? Is it truly enlightened leadership to cast a gifted playmaker such as Marcus Smith as a potentially spoiled kid or to invest in him unblinkingly? And is there any such creature, more generally, as a lazy modern-day England rugby international? Every single one, in my experience, is acutely conscious of the stiff competition and the need to work his or her socks off. They also play a sport in which half-heartedness, whether for club or country, is not an option. When Jones suggests he has found it tricky to pinpoint “a coherent English identity” it raises another question: is he too swift to stereotype certain types of people – players, colleagues, the media – before he trusts them as individuals?

“But I know that by the time the World Cup begins in 2023, we will revert to more pragmatic rugby.”

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:16 pm So Eddie has a new book out, called "Leadership". This entire article is designed to piss me off:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... -breakdown

Is it a good look, for example, to talk at length about how crucial it is to treat modern players with more individual sensitivity these days and then to publicly castigate Worcester’s Ollie Lawrence for the crime of not training as relentlessly as the great Beauden Barrett and attracting a few headlines as a possible successor to Manu Tuilagi? “He’s still a kid, only 21, but the way that some of the media raves about him you would think he’s already assured of becoming one of the best players in the world. He might do that, one day, but his attitude was not hungry or disciplined enough.”

...

“I sometimes go harder on the younger players because I want to … make them understand that they are entitled to nothing,” he writes, reflecting on the lessons of England’s uneasy 2021 Six Nations campaign. “England lost their way partly because of a creeping sense of entitlement which ate away at the core values and principles we had established. Complacency corrupts the soul of the team. When that happens, the core of the team cracks open and you have to start again.”

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“We will play some lovely rugby in the next year or so,” he forecasts at one point. “But I know that by the time the World Cup begins in 2023, we will revert to more pragmatic rugby.”

For fucks sake. Stop huffing your own farts, Eddie.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:05 pm Agree. Clearly Byron is well out of order here, but I really hate head tapping and goading on the pitch. Seems to happen a lot more these days and I'd love it not to just end up an accepted part of the game.

“The word on the street, if you wish to believe it, is that Pollard is a done deal and we ( Leicester Tigers) will be announcing him either Wednesday or Thursday this week and I’ve had that from two different sources. The two people who have advised me that it’s happening are pretty trustworthy guys, they’re not someone to billy bulls**t on this sort of stuff. If they’ve heard a whisper themselves, I trust them if they think there’s enough truth in it to do it and it’s not just mindless gossip,”

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:00 pm He's a dinosaur.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:42 pm It's almost like some people are going to complain about Eddie regardless. As regards Smith and Lawrence I don't know how they'll take the comments from Eddie, for sure Eddie isn't everyone's cup of tea, but some players (including some he's massively harsh on) absolutely love the fella.

And yes Eddie does other stuff, but without doubt we don't need to worry that Eddie isn't putting in a shift when it comes to his actual England role. You might contend his efforts are misplaced, but to query whether he's making sufficient effort and allowing himself to be distracted seems odd. I suppose one might try to wrangle it into some contention he's being hypocritical, but that's really back to some people are just going to complain about Eddie.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:13 pm McGuigan gets three weeks suspension.

Bit harsh if you ask me.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:00 am

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:05 pm Agree. Clearly Byron is well out of order here, but I really hate head tapping and goading on the pitch. Seems to happen a lot more these days and I'd love it not to just end up an accepted part of the game.

That and subs on the pitch celebrating tries are two of my pet peeves. Its a US pro sport thing. Particularly the NFL with the "in your face" antics. Maybe they could fine match fees or something like they do with bowlers in cricket who do the unsportsmanly send off.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:04 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:13 pm McGuigan gets three weeks suspension.

Bit harsh if you ask me.

It's less than some players get for tip tackles ffs.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:56 am

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:04 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:13 pm McGuigan gets three weeks suspension.

Bit harsh if you ask me.

It's less than some players get for tip tackles ffs.

Six weeks reduced to three.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:42 pm It's almost like some people are going to complain about Eddie regardless. As regards Smith and Lawrence I don't know how they'll take the comments from Eddie, for sure Eddie isn't everyone's cup of tea, but some players (including some he's massively harsh on) absolutely love the fella.

And yes Eddie does other stuff, but without doubt we don't need to worry that Eddie isn't putting in a shift when it comes to his actual England role. You might contend his efforts are misplaced, but to query whether he's making sufficient effort and allowing himself to be distracted seems odd. I suppose one might try to wrangle it into some contention he's being hypocritical, but that's really back to some people are just going to complain about Eddie.

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:00 am

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:05 pm Agree. Clearly Byron is well out of order here, but I really hate head tapping and goading on the pitch. Seems to happen a lot more these days and I'd love it not to just end up an accepted part of the game.

That and subs on the pitch celebrating tries are two of my pet peeves. Its a US pro sport thing. Particularly the NFL with the "in your face" antics. Maybe they could fine match fees or something like they do with bowlers in cricket who do the unsportsmanly send off.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:53 am

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:00 am

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:05 pm Agree. Clearly Byron is well out of order here, but I really hate head tapping and goading on the pitch. Seems to happen a lot more these days and I'd love it not to just end up an accepted part of the game.

That and subs on the pitch celebrating tries are two of my pet peeves. Its a US pro sport thing. Particularly the NFL with the "in your face" antics. Maybe they could fine match fees or something like they do with bowlers in cricket who do the unsportsmanly send off.

The NFL has a rule, Unsportsmanlike Conduct (Taunting), for this, and it's very much been enforced of late. Guys standing over guys lying prone in order to mock their fallen opponent gets a yellow flag and penalty yardage these days.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:53 am

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:00 am

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:05 pm Agree. Clearly Byron is well out of order here, but I really hate head tapping and goading on the pitch. Seems to happen a lot more these days and I'd love it not to just end up an accepted part of the game.

That and subs on the pitch celebrating tries are two of my pet peeves. Its a US pro sport thing. Particularly the NFL with the "in your face" antics. Maybe they could fine match fees or something like they do with bowlers in cricket who do the unsportsmanly send off.

The NFL has a rule, Unsportsmanlike Conduct (Taunting), for this, and it's very much been enforced of late. Guys standing over guys lying prone in order to mock their fallen opponent gets a yellow flag and penalty yardage these days.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:49 am

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:56 am

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:04 pm

It's less than some players get for tip tackles ffs.

Six weeks reduced to three.

Haha, how was it not reckless?!

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:23 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:53 am

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:00 am
That and subs on the pitch celebrating tries are two of my pet peeves. Its a US pro sport thing. Particularly the NFL with the "in your face" antics. Maybe they could fine match fees or something like they do with bowlers in cricket who do the unsportsmanly send off.

The NFL has a rule, Unsportsmanlike Conduct (Taunting), for this, and it's very much been enforced of late. Guys standing over guys lying prone in order to mock their fallen opponent gets a yellow flag and penalty yardage these days.

The same law exists in rugby IIRC. Certainly when I used to ref I pinged a junior side for repeatedly screaming at the oppo's hooker. When I explained why I'd given the pen their coach called me a cunt. Good times.

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:12 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:53 am

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:00 am
That and subs on the pitch celebrating tries are two of my pet peeves. Its a US pro sport thing. Particularly the NFL with the "in your face" antics. Maybe they could fine match fees or something like they do with bowlers in cricket who do the unsportsmanly send off.

The NFL has a rule, Unsportsmanlike Conduct (Taunting), for this, and it's very much been enforced of late. Guys standing over guys lying prone in order to mock their fallen opponent gets a yellow flag and penalty yardage these days.

That would be hilarious the first time they enforced that in Rugby.! Penalty to Saracens on the oppo's tryline. The whooping, clapping and hollering would have them defending a 5m scrum - and that's just Maro.

petej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:43 am Looks like it will be Pollard replacing ford at tigers.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/spor ... by-6284600

Niegs wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:28 pm

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:12 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:53 am

The NFL has a rule, Unsportsmanlike Conduct (Taunting), for this, and it's very much been enforced of late. Guys standing over guys lying prone in order to mock their fallen opponent gets a yellow flag and penalty yardage these days.

That would be hilarious the first time they enforced that in Rugby.! Penalty to Saracens on the oppo's tryline. The whooping, clapping and hollering would have them defending a 5m scrum - and that's just Maro.

I watch a youtube channel that puts up highlights from English schoolboy matches. Not so much the actual head tapping, but the whooping and gesturing even during tries (okay, fair, they're teens) and penalties (ugh...) seems to be more common there. I never used to be a "just run back to half with minimal celebration" type traditionalist, but the extreme reactions now are really annoying my growing old man sensibilities.