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Which bit of that is incorrect?Muttonbird wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:03 pmAs if you couldn't stoop any lower.Openside wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:37 pmTbf I don’t think anyone has forgotten about him. Shagging a 17 year old isn’t illegal it’s just creepy. We won’t find out whether this young lady was trafficked (and whether he knew) until Ghislaine goes on trial I suspect...
Very good point well madeLobby wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:01 pmHer husband is also a patron of Heads Together, a charity that ‘combines a campaign to tackle stigma and change the conversation on mental health with fundraising for a series of innovative new mental health services’. It also seeks to provide ‘mental health programmes to ensure that the right help is available to anyone seeking mental health support, wherever they are and whenever they need it’.GogLais wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:36 pm Something else that struck me - she spoke of going to the head of B'ham Palace HR to seek help with her mental health problems, which I'm willing to believe that she had, and being denied assistance. Surely BP HR deals with hiring and firing the minions, not the personal problems of the Royal Family, their first port of call would be their personal physician.
As regards Archie's title or lack of and the provision of security, there's an article about that The Times today. It's hard to summarise it fairly but at the least it doesn't seem as simple as M & H suggested. I'm sure that Meghan has suffered from racism, given the state of the world it would be surprising if she hadn't. However, I don't think they help themselves by what seems like exaggeration. Edit - I didn't mean that their account of racism is an exaggerated.
And yet when his wife wanted mental health support he apparently didn’t think to make use of all his contacts to provide her with access to the support she needed, but instead left her to talk to HR, which as you say is there to deal with employees, and not family members.
I take it assfly, you're not a fan of Public Enemy ?assfly wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:57 pm Without being completely tasteless, the skin colour of Archie was never in doubt. Megan looks white ffs, and Harry is white. I'd like to think that the royal family know about mixing colours.
And a bunch of them have Irish Catholic heritagemat the expat wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:37 pm Moving to Oz, I was hoping to avoid this kind of shit - there are hordes of monarchists here
She probably did get that help - just not from The FirmJambanja wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:33 pmVery good point well madeLobby wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:01 pmHer husband is also a patron of Heads Together, a charity that ‘combines a campaign to tackle stigma and change the conversation on mental health with fundraising for a series of innovative new mental health services’. It also seeks to provide ‘mental health programmes to ensure that the right help is available to anyone seeking mental health support, wherever they are and whenever they need it’.GogLais wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:36 pm Something else that struck me - she spoke of going to the head of B'ham Palace HR to seek help with her mental health problems, which I'm willing to believe that she had, and being denied assistance. Surely BP HR deals with hiring and firing the minions, not the personal problems of the Royal Family, their first port of call would be their personal physician.
As regards Archie's title or lack of and the provision of security, there's an article about that The Times today. It's hard to summarise it fairly but at the least it doesn't seem as simple as M & H suggested. I'm sure that Meghan has suffered from racism, given the state of the world it would be surprising if she hadn't. However, I don't think they help themselves by what seems like exaggeration. Edit - I didn't mean that their account of racism is an exaggerated.
And yet when his wife wanted mental health support he apparently didn’t think to make use of all his contacts to provide her with access to the support she needed, but instead left her to talk to HR, which as you say is there to deal with employees, and not family members.
But at that point you are arguing that race is not genetic.GogLais wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:38 pmI assume the argument is that people who are partly black suffer at least some of the racism that entirely black people suffer. I can understand that.Lemoentjie wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:53 pm How on Earth can she be black? Her father is white, and her mother is black. She's just as white as she is black.
So she got it then, we are discussing a wealthy 38 year old divorcee and her 36? Year old husband. They are not children...Enzedder wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:17 amShe probably did get that help - just not from The FirmJambanja wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:33 pmVery good point well madeLobby wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:01 pm
Her husband is also a patron of Heads Together, a charity that ‘combines a campaign to tackle stigma and change the conversation on mental health with fundraising for a series of innovative new mental health services’. It also seeks to provide ‘mental health programmes to ensure that the right help is available to anyone seeking mental health support, wherever they are and whenever they need it’.
And yet when his wife wanted mental health support he apparently didn’t think to make use of all his contacts to provide her with access to the support she needed, but instead left her to talk to HR, which as you say is there to deal with employees, and not family members.
Out of curiosity what are you basing that on?Calculon wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:50 am I read that someone at the Palace asked Meghan to be "50% less". I take it to mean that she was thought to have a little too much personally and be a little bit too opinionated.
You can't really take away 50% of Kate's personality because... well she doesn't appear to have any to start with.
Are you saying wealthy people in the 30s can't have mental health issue?Openside wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:34 am So she got it then, we are discussing a wealthy 38 year old divorcee and her 36? Year old husband. They are not children...
Alternatively: "yes hello mental health phoneline I'm HRH the duchess of Sussex and I'm having a really tough time with my mental health". Or Prince Harry "yes hi guys whose charity I'm a patron of my wife is suicidal because of the royal family goldfish bowl what can you do to help?".Jambanja wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:33 pmVery good point well madeLobby wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:01 pmHer husband is also a patron of Heads Together, a charity that ‘combines a campaign to tackle stigma and change the conversation on mental health with fundraising for a series of innovative new mental health services’. It also seeks to provide ‘mental health programmes to ensure that the right help is available to anyone seeking mental health support, wherever they are and whenever they need it’.GogLais wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:36 pm Something else that struck me - she spoke of going to the head of B'ham Palace HR to seek help with her mental health problems, which I'm willing to believe that she had, and being denied assistance. Surely BP HR deals with hiring and firing the minions, not the personal problems of the Royal Family, their first port of call would be their personal physician.
As regards Archie's title or lack of and the provision of security, there's an article about that The Times today. It's hard to summarise it fairly but at the least it doesn't seem as simple as M & H suggested. I'm sure that Meghan has suffered from racism, given the state of the world it would be surprising if she hadn't. However, I don't think they help themselves by what seems like exaggeration. Edit - I didn't mean that their account of racism is an exaggerated.
And yet when his wife wanted mental health support he apparently didn’t think to make use of all his contacts to provide her with access to the support she needed, but instead left her to talk to HR, which as you say is there to deal with employees, and not family members.
Kate came from solid upper middle class stock(father company director, mother an air hostess, educated at Marlborough) she is no blue blood.assfly wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:50 am A very reasonable debate so far, this is definitely not planet rugby!
I personally don't think the royal family were that concerned about having a mixed-race member of the family and baby. In fact I think the PR could have been quite good. I actually think there would have been more concern about her class. Kate at least comes from a similar class which is perhaps why she slotted in so well to the royal family. Megan might come from money and fame, but moving up the class ladder to royal family was always going to be a big leap, even by her own admission.
No one is suggesting he phones up the help line but a discreet word with the charity head would have had them clambering to help to show what a worthwhile set up they were.I like neeps wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:41 amAlternatively: "yes hello mental health phoneline I'm HRH the duchess of Sussex and I'm having a really tough time with my mental health". Or Prince Harry "yes hi guys whose charity I'm a patron of my wife is suicidal because of the royal family goldfish bowl what can you do to help?".Jambanja wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:33 pmVery good point well madeLobby wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:01 pm
Her husband is also a patron of Heads Together, a charity that ‘combines a campaign to tackle stigma and change the conversation on mental health with fundraising for a series of innovative new mental health services’. It also seeks to provide ‘mental health programmes to ensure that the right help is available to anyone seeking mental health support, wherever they are and whenever they need it’.
And yet when his wife wanted mental health support he apparently didn’t think to make use of all his contacts to provide her with access to the support she needed, but instead left her to talk to HR, which as you say is there to deal with employees, and not family members.
Aye that's a realistic proposition. It's hard enough for People to ask for help. Imagine for a royal. It wouldn't surprise me if that was forbidden even. It's hardly a normal family.
Acceptable because the royals recognise that the consequences of inbreeding these days cannot be hidden via secret graves.Openside wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:41 am Kate came from solid upper middle class stock(father company director, mother an air hostess, educated at Marlborough) she is no blue blood.
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:45 amAcceptable because the royals recognise that the consequences of inbreeding these days cannot be hidden via secret graves.Openside wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:41 am Kate came from solid upper middle class stock(father company director, mother an air hostess, educated at Marlborough) she is no blue blood.
there are plenty of aristocrats that they could safely breed with. Marrying Kate I saw as a considerable modernisation of the monarchy not wanting to repeat the Charles experiment.Fair enough, but still the opposite end of the spectrum than Megan.Openside wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:41 am Kate came from solid upper middle class stock(father company director, mother an air hostess, educated at Marlborough) she is no blue blood.
Or alternatively she could have spoken to her or her husband's personal physician, who could have referred them to someone who could help. Either are a more realistic proposition than speaking to some poor sod in HR who usually deals with hiring and firing the staff.I like neeps wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:41 amAlternatively: "yes hello mental health phoneline I'm HRH the duchess of Sussex and I'm having a really tough time with my mental health". Or Prince Harry "yes hi guys whose charity I'm a patron of my wife is suicidal because of the royal family goldfish bowl what can you do to help?".Jambanja wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:33 pmVery good point well madeLobby wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:01 pm
Her husband is also a patron of Heads Together, a charity that ‘combines a campaign to tackle stigma and change the conversation on mental health with fundraising for a series of innovative new mental health services’. It also seeks to provide ‘mental health programmes to ensure that the right help is available to anyone seeking mental health support, wherever they are and whenever they need it’.
And yet when his wife wanted mental health support he apparently didn’t think to make use of all his contacts to provide her with access to the support she needed, but instead left her to talk to HR, which as you say is there to deal with employees, and not family members.
Aye that's a realistic proposition. It's hard enough for People to ask for help. Imagine for a royal. It wouldn't surprise me if that was forbidden even. It's hardly a normal family.
Assfly I don’t even think that is true, Meghan had a pretty privileged upbringing too. Trips to Europe, privately educated, father had a well paid technical job in a film studio. I am not aware of how that translates to class in US but I imagine broadly similar??assfly wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:00 amFair enough, but still the opposite end of the spectrum than Megan.Openside wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:41 am Kate came from solid upper middle class stock(father company director, mother an air hostess, educated at Marlborough) she is no blue blood.
Interesting that I always hear people describe Kate as classy. Even I do it, totally subconsciously.
Interesting observation, a form of Stockholm syndrome...Slick wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:18 am I watched it last night....
Both of them were very articulate but it was a fairly horrible watch.
I have to say it reminded me completely of a mate who was in a poisonous relationship for many years then suddenly woke up. Exactly the same thing happened in that he became estranged from his family and friends and I can imagine that a lot of the issues that were expressed in the inyterview have come about in the same way. There were a few times when competely innocuous remarks were suddenly dragged up months or years later, twisted, and used as a weapon against people with him falling in line. Pitting friends against each other then crying for help when it all unravelled before starting on a new target. His opinions and personality being completely eroded and falling into line with hers. Being fed lines the whole time.
It looks very similar from a distance.
re. the interview, there was so many contradictions that i'm not sure how anyone can take it at face value.
Or maybe to access support you have to ask the firm? Maybe thems the rules. It is with my workplace, we have mental health support available through a designated mental health first aider who works in HR. I could also see my doctor but I don't have a work doctor like they do. I don't imagine the royal family have a very progressive method of accessing mental health support because you cannot blab how you feel. Imagine it getting out! Meghan sees shrink would be news for months.Lobby wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:14 amOr alternatively she could have spoken to her or her husband's personal physician, who could have referred them to someone who could help. Either are a more realistic proposition than speaking to some poor sod in HR who usually deals with hiring and firing the staff.I like neeps wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:41 amAlternatively: "yes hello mental health phoneline I'm HRH the duchess of Sussex and I'm having a really tough time with my mental health". Or Prince Harry "yes hi guys whose charity I'm a patron of my wife is suicidal because of the royal family goldfish bowl what can you do to help?".
Aye that's a realistic proposition. It's hard enough for People to ask for help. Imagine for a royal. It wouldn't surprise me if that was forbidden even. It's hardly a normal family.
Exactly. I'm not unsympathetic to M & H but I thought bollox when she said that.Lobby wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:14 amOr alternatively she could have spoken to her or her husband's personal physician, who could have referred them to someone who could help. Either are a more realistic proposition than speaking to some poor sod in HR who usually deals with hiring and firing the staff.I like neeps wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:41 amAlternatively: "yes hello mental health phoneline I'm HRH the duchess of Sussex and I'm having a really tough time with my mental health". Or Prince Harry "yes hi guys whose charity I'm a patron of my wife is suicidal because of the royal family goldfish bowl what can you do to help?".
Aye that's a realistic proposition. It's hard enough for People to ask for help. Imagine for a royal. It wouldn't surprise me if that was forbidden even. It's hardly a normal family.
I don't know either of them well enough to comment any more than I have, but on face value they strike me as opposite ends of the class spectrum. Especially based on their behaviour in recent years.Openside wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:20 am Assfly I don’t even think that is true, Meghan had a pretty privileged upbringing too. Trips to Europe, privately educated, father had a well paid technical job in a film studio. I am not aware of how that translates to class in US but I imagine broadly similar??
You would have hoped that after a near 12 year investigation they would have proof of that, but we appear to be still waiting........sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:44 pmIsn't he alleged to have done it in the US where age of consent is often (though not always, states have different laws) 18?Openside wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:37 pmTbf I don’t think anyone has gotten about him. Shagging a 17 year old isn’t illegal it’s just creepy. We won’t find out whether this young lady was trafficked (and whether he knew) until Ghislaine goes on trial I suspect...
Was that not one of the early lies she produced, that her dad cut her off and refused to pay for her college education, however he was able to produce receipts for the college payments he had made.Openside wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:20 amAssfly I don’t even think that is true, Meghan had a pretty privileged upbringing too. Trips to Europe, privately educated, father had a well paid technical job in a film studio. I am not aware of how that translates to class in US but I imagine broadly similar??assfly wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:00 amFair enough, but still the opposite end of the spectrum than Megan.Openside wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:41 am Kate came from solid upper middle class stock(father company director, mother an air hostess, educated at Marlborough) she is no blue blood.
Interesting that I always hear people describe Kate as classy. Even I do it, totally subconsciously.
The claim about her passport, driving licence etc getting confiscated was a belter.Glaston wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:41 am Re the mental health thing.
She mostly lived in California, links to Hollywood from an early age, a decade in films and tv.
Like all her peers she would have her therapists on speed dial.
Did the Palace remove her phone contacts?
I think that's probably more to do with one being a Yank and the other being a posh Brit (maybe not a true blue blood, but certainly posher than the vast majority) than anything.assfly wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:00 amFair enough, but still the opposite end of the spectrum than Megan.Openside wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:41 am Kate came from solid upper middle class stock(father company director, mother an air hostess, educated at Marlborough) she is no blue blood.
Interesting that I always hear people describe Kate as classy. Even I do it, totally subconsciously.
Indeed that sounded desperately unlikely. However she needs the Monarchs permission for Archie to travel abroad. (she obviously got it)Blackmac wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:45 amThe claim about her passport, driving licence etc getting confiscated was a belter.Glaston wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:41 am Re the mental health thing.
She mostly lived in California, links to Hollywood from an early age, a decade in films and tv.
Like all her peers she would have her therapists on speed dial.
Did the Palace remove her phone contacts?
Quite, I think having met him through military circles(my bro was on his ship) I am happy to accept that Andrew is a massive bellend However I wouldn't mind seeing a bit of corroborated evidence before we convict him of the second most heinous crime on the planet...Blackmac wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:30 amYou would have hoped that after a near 12 year investigation they would have proof of that, but we appear to be still waiting........sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:44 pmIsn't he alleged to have done it in the US where age of consent is often (though not always, states have different laws) 18?Openside wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:37 pm
Tbf I don’t think anyone has gotten about him. Shagging a 17 year old isn’t illegal it’s just creepy. We won’t find out whether this young lady was trafficked (and whether he knew) until Ghislaine goes on trial I suspect...
