I commend NPR for not having a Harry and Meghan thread!!

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Oh Shit

[GogLais]

Oh Shit

The idea got run over as it was crossing my mind.

[Marylandolorian]

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Oh Shit

The idea got run over as it was crossing my mind.

[Plato’sCave]

And just like magic, everyone forgot about Andrew

[SaintK]

And just like magic, everyone forgot about Andrew

...............for a short while until this dies down.

[Slick]

She's a LIAR!

[Niegs]

[ASMO]

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And just like magic, everyone forgot about Andrew

Tbf I don’t think anyone has gotten about him. Shagging a 17 year old isn’t illegal it’s just creepy. We won’t find out whether this young lady was trafficked (and whether he knew) until Ghislaine goes on trial I suspect...

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[sockwithaticket]

And just like magic, everyone forgot about Andrew

Tbf I don’t think anyone has gotten about him. Shagging a 17 year old isn’t illegal it’s just creepy. We won’t find out whether this young lady was trafficked (and whether he knew) until Ghislaine goes on trial I suspect...

Isn't he alleged to have done it in the US where age of consent is often (though not always, states have different laws) 18?

[Insane_Homer]

[assfly]

Without being completely tasteless, the skin colour of Archie was never in doubt. Megan looks white ffs, and Harry is white. I'd like to think that the royal family know about mixing colours.

[Lobby]

[sockwithaticket]

Without being completely tasteless, the skin colour of Archie was never in doubt. Megan looks white ffs, and Harry is white. I'd like to think that the royal family know about mixing colours.

Must confess that when I first saw her I thought she might be a 'white' latina, kinda olive skinned. Confused the shit out of me when I heard stuff about the UK's first black princess. Was very much like "Eh? Who's that then? Shirley it's not Harry's new lady, I've seen very caucasian Brits a bit darker after a few weeks in the sun."

That said, just because she's quite pale doesn't mean her kid necessarily would be. Can't remember the specifics, but I remember reading about a phenomenon of black kids being born to white couples in the US and at first it was assumed that the women had been cheating, but it occurred frequently enough for someone to look into it and it turned out one or both parents had a black ancestor 10 - 12 generations back. Less extreme and more generally you see black couples with kids who are darker than them or vice versa and mixed couples where the black half of the pair is darker than Meghan, but still fairly light skinned, and who has a darker kid.

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Without being completely tasteless, the skin colour of Archie was never in doubt. Megan looks white ffs, and Harry is white. I'd like to think that the royal family know about mixing colours.

Leaving aside whether it was said or not, personally speaking it never occurred to me Meghan was black until I saw her mother. My feeling at the time of the engagement ‘the country at large’ were delighted for both of them.

[assfly]

Thank god it wasn't just me

[Insane_Homer]

The only surprising bit is that the apparent racist incident wasn't Philip.

[assfly]

What has worried me the most about this whole situation is how someone (i.e. Megan) has made some pretty brutal accusations of racism against another public figure. There is no supporting evidence, but it seems to have been completely accepted by so many people. Furthermore, no evidence has been given, no names have been named and she clearly has an axe to grind and a lot to gain by making these accusations.

Once you've been called a racist, what is your defence, if innocent? There is none, as you can't prove yourself innocent just as the accuser can't prove guilt. But these days it is really skewed in favour of the accuser.

[Glaston]

Without being completely tasteless, the skin colour of Archie was never in doubt. Megan looks white ffs, and Harry is white. I'd like to think that the royal family know about mixing colours.

Must confess that when I first saw her I thought she might be a 'white' latina, kinda olive skinned. Confused the shit out of me when I heard stuff about the UK's first black princess. Was very much like "Eh? Who's that then? Shirley it's not Harry's new lady, I've seen very caucasian Brits a bit darker after a few weeks in the sun."

That said, just because she's quite pale doesn't mean her kid necessarily would be. Can't remember the specifics, but I remember reading about a phenomenon of black kids being born to white couples in the US and at first it was assumed that the women had been cheating, but it occurred frequently enough for someone to look into it and it turned out one or both parents had a black ancestor 10 - 12 generations back. Less extreme and more generally you see black couples with kids who are darker than them or vice versa and mixed couples where the black half of the pair is darker than Meghan, but still fairly light skinned, and who has a darker kid.

I have some friends in Fiji who are mixed race ie both have Fijian mothers/Euro fathers.
They had twin girls, one looks Fijian, the other is very fair skinned.


Oh noes!!! the parents/ grandfather did have a discussion during the pregnancy about the likely colour of the babies.
How racist of them.


I am sure the Royal family were more worried about the Ginger quotient.

Only person coming out of this with a smile is Chris Evans
He is no longer Britains biggest Ginger Whinger.

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The only surprising bit is that the apparent racist incident wasn't Philip.

He was certainly my first guess due to age(and a bit of form) - sadly this genie can’t be put back in the bottle neither side is going to come out of this well, one mans curiosity as to whom the child will resemble is another mans racist rant...

[robmatic]

What has worried me the most about this whole situation is how someone (i.e. Megan) has made some pretty brutal accusations of racism against another public figure. There is no supporting evidence, but it seems to have been completely accepted by so many people. Furthermore, no evidence has been given, no names have been named and she clearly has an axe to grind and a lot to gain by making these accusations.

Once you've been called a racist, what is your defence, if innocent? There is none, as you can't prove yourself innocent just as the accuser can't prove guilt. But these days it is really skewed in favour of the accuser.

It's not like members of the Royal Family don't have form with having some old-fashioned views though, is it?

[robmatic]

The only surprising bit is that the apparent racist incident wasn't Philip.

He was certainly my first guess due to age(and a bit of form) - sadly this genie can’t be put back in the bottle neither side is going to come out of this well, one mans curiosity as to whom the child will resemble is another mans racist rant...

I can easily see how it would be a naive/innocent question but also it depends on the context and it would be easy to take the wrong way. Maybe they sounded concerned when they asked, who knows.

My missus is Turkish and before our son was born, my mum was quite curious as to how 'dark' he would turn out. I know she didn't mean anything negative by it but I'm not sure I would say the same if someone else was asking.

[Insane_Homer]

What has worried me the most about this whole situation is how someone (i.e. Megan) has made some pretty brutal accusations of racism against another public figure. There is no supporting evidence, but it seems to have been completely accepted by so many people. Furthermore, no evidence has been given, no names have been named and she clearly has an axe to grind and a lot to gain by making these accusations.

Once you've been called a racist, what is your defence, if innocent? There is none, as you can't prove yourself innocent just as the accuser can't prove guilt. But these days it is really skewed in favour of the accuser.

interesting. How is it that, without evidence either way, you've decided the accuser clearly has an axe to grind so she's the one lying but take issue with her accusation being 'completely accepted by so many people'?

Point of order, having see it stated later (I never watched the interview), is that the someone is Harry, it's not Meghan making the 'brutal accusations', it's Harry. It's Harry that had the conversation with another royal and he told her about it.

[Lobby]

Without being completely tasteless, the skin colour of Archie was never in doubt. Megan looks white ffs, and Harry is white. I'd like to think that the royal family know about mixing colours.

Must confess that when I first saw her I thought she might be a 'white' latina, kinda olive skinned. Confused the shit out of me when I heard stuff about the UK's first black princess. Was very much like "Eh? Who's that then? Shirley it's not Harry's new lady, I've seen very caucasian Brits a bit darker after a few weeks in the sun."

That said, just because she's quite pale doesn't mean her kid necessarily would be. Can't remember the specifics, but I remember reading about a phenomenon of black kids being born to white couples in the US and at first it was assumed that the women had been cheating, but it occurred frequently enough for someone to look into it and it turned out one or both parents had a black ancestor 10 - 12 generations back. Less extreme and more generally you see black couples with kids who are darker than them or vice versa and mixed couples where the black half of the pair is darker than Meghan, but still fairly light skinned, and who has a darker kid.

I saw a suggestion this morning that the enquiries about the baby’s colour were made in the hope the child would be darker than Meghan as this would improve the Royals’ image, on the basis that, while Meghan may identify as black, you’d never guess it from her skin colour.

[Paddington Bear]

Meghan is black in an American definition we’ve imported as part of their wider culture wars. Not sure Brits would have identified her as such without prompting

[JM2K6]

Meghan is black in an American definition we’ve imported as part of their wider culture wars. Not sure Brits would have identified her as such without prompting

Wait, do Brits not identify people with one black parent as black? That's news to me.

[Openside]

What has worried me the most about this whole situation is how someone (i.e. Megan) has made some pretty brutal accusations of racism against another public figure. There is no supporting evidence, but it seems to have been completely accepted by so many people. Furthermore, no evidence has been given, no names have been named and she clearly has an axe to grind and a lot to gain by making these accusations.

Once you've been called a racist, what is your defence, if innocent? There is none, as you can't prove yourself innocent just as the accuser can't prove guilt. But these days it is really skewed in favour of the accuser.

Not only that she has chucked in the other entirely unverifiable golden bullet, suicidal thoughts. I suspect there is barely a person on the planet who to a greater or lesser degree have thought (whether serious or not) about ending it all. I absolutely do not wish to trivialise genuine feelings such as these, it is however another damning but totally disprovable slight on the nature of the RF.

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Meghan is black in an American definition we’ve imported as part of their wider culture wars. Not sure Brits would have identified her as such without prompting

Wait, do Brits not identify people with one black parent as black? That's news to me.

Me too, unless he is suggesting mixed race instead of Black?

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Without being completely tasteless, the skin colour of Archie was never in doubt. Megan looks white ffs, and Harry is white. I'd like to think that the royal family know about mixing colours.

Must confess that when I first saw her I thought she might be a 'white' latina, kinda olive skinned. Confused the shit out of me when I heard stuff about the UK's first black princess. Was very much like "Eh? Who's that then? Shirley it's not Harry's new lady, I've seen very caucasian Brits a bit darker after a few weeks in the sun."

That said, just because she's quite pale doesn't mean her kid necessarily would be. Can't remember the specifics, but I remember reading about a phenomenon of black kids being born to white couples in the US and at first it was assumed that the women had been cheating, but it occurred frequently enough for someone to look into it and it turned out one or both parents had a black ancestor 10 - 12 generations back. Less extreme and more generally you see black couples with kids who are darker than them or vice versa and mixed couples where the black half of the pair is darker than Meghan, but still fairly light skinned, and who has a darker kid.

I saw a suggestion this morning that the enquiries about the baby’s colour were made in the hope the child would be darker than Meghan as this would improve the Royals’ image, on the basis that, while Meghan may identify as black, you’d never guess it from her skin colour.

Sounds like the damage limitation PR team have started to spin. Tbh that version is equally as offensive as it suggests the baby is a modernising advert for the RF

[Woddy]

The only surprising bit is that the apparent racist incident wasn't Philip.

He was certainly my first guess due to age(and a bit of form) - sadly this genie can’t be put back in the bottle neither side is going to come out of this well, one mans curiosity as to whom the child will resemble is another mans racist rant...

I can easily see how it would be a naive/innocent question but also it depends on the context and it would be easy to take the wrong way. Maybe they sounded concerned when they asked, who knows.

My missus is Turkish and before our son was born, my mum was quite curious as to how 'dark' he would turn out. I know she didn't mean anything negative by it but I'm not sure I would say the same if someone else was asking.

One of the issues is we don't even know what was said or by whom, let alone have any substantiation of it. Even for Megan, it's purely hearsay through Harry (from what she said). Until that is clear, it is impossible to make any critical remarks about it either way, or should be. Unfortunately, it seems to be a given in modern discourse to be able to state something as fact that is far from it, and not to be picked up on it. Once people then put further layers of interpretation and meaning on top of those supposed "facts" you then have supposedly unimpeachable arguments running which are really anything but. It's a real issue, of which this is only an example. Unfortunately it creates arguments which resemble Bimbo and Mullet going at each other on the old PR. Incidentally, if you think of looking at their thread on this topic: don't. It's just a reminder of how tedious that place became as a result of a handful of posters.

Overall, for me Megan and Harry do not come out of this well. However, for balance their comments on the difficulties of living in the Royals' gilded cage and the limelight that comes with it felt very real and understandable. Good on them for getting out of it; although that does not explain at all why they now want to rake it all up again, unless you look at it cynically. A great shame all round.

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He was certainly my first guess due to age(and a bit of form) - sadly this genie can’t be put back in the bottle neither side is going to come out of this well, one mans curiosity as to whom the child will resemble is another mans racist rant...

I can easily see how it would be a naive/innocent question but also it depends on the context and it would be easy to take the wrong way. Maybe they sounded concerned when they asked, who knows.

My missus is Turkish and before our son was born, my mum was quite curious as to how 'dark' he would turn out. I know she didn't mean anything negative by it but I'm not sure I would say the same if someone else was asking.

One of the issues is we don't even know what was said or by whom, let alone have any substantiation of it. Even for Megan, it's purely hearsay through Harry (from what she said). Until that is clear, it is impossible to make any critical remarks about it either way, or should be. Unfortunately, it seems to be a given in modern discourse to be able to state something as fact that is far from it, and not to be picked up on it. Once people then put further layers of interpretation and meaning on top of those supposed "facts" you then have supposedly unimpeachable arguments running which are really anything but. It's a real issue, of which this is only an example. Unfortunately it creates arguments which resemble Bimbo and Mullet going at each other on the old PR. Incidentally, if you think of looking at their thread on this topic: don't. It's just a reminder of how tedious that place became as a result of a handful of posters.

Overall, for me Megan and Harry do not come out of this well. However, for balance their comments on the difficulties of living in the Royals' gilded cage and the limelight that comes with it felt very real and understandable. Good on them for getting out of it; although that does not explain at all why they now want to rake it all up again, unless you look at it cynically. A great shame all round.

Good post

[robmatic]

Meghan is black in an American definition we’ve imported as part of their wider culture wars. Not sure Brits would have identified her as such without prompting

Wait, do Brits not identify people with one black parent as black? That's news to me.

We seem more likely to describe people as mixed race.

The 'one drop' rule is quite American, I thought.

[Plato’sCave]

Meghan is black in an American definition we’ve imported as part of their wider culture wars. Not sure Brits would have identified her as such without prompting

Wait, do Brits not identify people with one black parent as black? That's news to me.

We seem more likely to describe people as mixed race.

The 'one drop' rule is quite American, I thought.

Ah yes, the Elizabeth Warren college funding loophole

[GogLais]

One thing that seemed a bit disingenuous to me - the stuff about having no idea what she was getting into. Her husband to be was at the heart of the RF, surely they must have discussed all that before they were married. She was a worldly woman in her 30s, not barely out of her teens like Diana.

[JM2K6]

Meghan is black in an American definition we’ve imported as part of their wider culture wars. Not sure Brits would have identified her as such without prompting

Wait, do Brits not identify people with one black parent as black? That's news to me.

We seem more likely to describe people as mixed race.

The 'one drop' rule is quite American, I thought.

It's a bit more than one drop. Photoshopped media shots aside, she looks darker skinned than white people and has a black mother, so it's a weird argument.

[Torquemada 1420]

Needs more James Hewitt.

[Torquemada 1420]

It's a bit more than one drop. Photoshopped media shots aside, she looks darker skinned than white people and has a black mother, so it's a weird argument.

She doesn't look physically black at all. Maybe Hispanic but not black. Of course "being black" is as much a cultural thing but she doesn't come across as having any of that: which I suspect she dispensed with as part of her career and social climbing paths......... so more than a tad hypocritical to come back to it now when it suits to whine.