The Springboks vs British & Irish Lions 3rd Test Thread

[Sards]

How many minutes has Reinach played in the last 3 weeks? 50? Under. Cooked.

Here we go.....

[Sandstorm]

How many minutes has Reinach played in the last 3 weeks? 50? Under. Cooked.

Here we go.....

Hey, we know Herschel as been Faffing like a drinken mule recently and Reinach Fafs badly every day.

I can’t see Rassie playing a different game plan, so Reinach’s recent game time is an issue. Not which team anyone collects a salary from for the rest of the year.

[Enzedder]

3rd game - watch out for the Gatland magic call

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[Hal Jordan]

The thought of Reinach running off the blindside of a scrum is not a comforting one, he's embarrassed some seriously pacy players in his time.

[Sandstorm]

The thought of Reinach running off the blindside of a scrum is not a comforting one, he's embarrassed some seriously pacy players in his time.

Lawes has got this.

[Sards]

The thought of Reinach running off the blindside of a scrum is not a comforting one, he's embarrassed some seriously pacy players in his time.

Lawes has got this.

Who's side are you on.

[OomStruisbaai]

Fafs best skill is the rush defense. Hershel also. We'll miss this hopefully not before it's to late.

[Chilli]

https://www.planetrugby.com/british-and ... th-africa/

Warren Gatland to talk to referee about game tempo
Date published: August 3 2021 - News Desk



British and Irish Lions head coach Warren Gatland will urge the officials for their series decider against South Africa to allow his team put on a show at Cape Town Stadium.

Gatland is frustrated by the Boks’ success in slowing the game down in an ugly second Test that saw each half last over an hour because of repeated stoppages, many of them instigated by the hosts.

There were also frequent delays while referee Ben O’Keeffe checked a host of decisions with TMO Marius Jonker, just days after South Africa director of rugby Rassie Erasmus released an extraordinary hour-long video attacking the performance of the officials from the first Test.

Six changes to Lions team
Gatland has responded to the 27-9 defeat that sets up Saturday’s seismic showdown by making six changes to his starting XV.

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Among them is the return of Ali Price to add energy at scrum-half, Bundee Aki’s promotion to the midfield to provide extra power and the aerial prowess of Liam Williams and Josh Adams in the back three.

On a revamped bench is Finn Russell, the maverick fly-half who it will be hoped has the magic to unlock South Africa’s watertight defence later in the game.

But selection is only half the battle and Gatland is ready to implore referee Mathieu Raynal and his assistants Nic Berry and O’Keeffe to prevent the Springboks from draining all pace from the match.

“We definitely want to play more rugby and we just didn’t get that opportunity in the second half,” Lions boss Gatland said.

“At every scrum there was an injury slowing the game down and there were something like 14 minutes of TMO time in the game. We’ve worked pretty hard on our conditioning and it was really, really stop-start.

“We want to keep the tempo of the game up, to get the ball in and out of scrums, to get the ball in quickly at line-outs, to play and get a flow. South Africa at the moment don’t want to do that.

“Everything at the moment is so stop-start, and it does make it frustrating. I know (Lions captain) Alun Wyn Jones was talking to the referee on a number of occasions about keeping it going.

“We had stud changes, we had TMO decisions, we had the referee stopping the game for cramp.

“That will be one of the things I talk to the referees about this week when we discuss Saturday because we can’t have 60-odd minute halves.

“It’s important we keep the flow of the game, as much from a spectator’s point of view. We want to see some pretty good rugby and we didn’t see some great rugby played at the weekend.”

Apart from the four changes to the backline, Gatland has overhauled his front-row by bringing in Wyn Jones, who has recovered from a shoulder injury, and hooker Ken Owens.

But it is the selection of Price and Russell that indicate a shift in emphasis from matching South Africa’s physicality to playing with greater ingenuity.

“One of the definite strengths of Liam Williams is his aerial game and unfortunately with our whole back three last week we weren’t great in that area – we put a lot of balls down,” Gatland said.

“South Africa used Damien de Allende a lot off nine as a hit-up merchant so Bundee has been brought in there to try and negate that. But he’s also a good rugby player, he’s not just a hit-up person.

“We were pleased with Ali on this tour in terms of the tempo that he has brought and that’s why we have moved him back in. We thought he played well in the first Test.

“Finn just adds something a little bit different and hopefully in that second half when things do loosen up a little bit, he can come on and add something

Hang about............................didn't he say earlier in the week that he wasn't going to whinge?

[Sandstorm]

Tempo……when he starts Murray at 9 in second Test.

[ASMO]

Boks will win this at a canter, 15+ point spread i am predicting

[ScarfaceClaw]

Tempo……when he starts Murray at 9 in second Test. :lol: :lol:

Hoofing the ball in the air faster. Great. It’s admirable in that he’s after the match to be over quicker and we don’t have an extra 20 minutes of high kicks, will they catch it, won’t they catch it.

[Chilli]

Boks will win this at a canter, 15+ point spread i am predicting

I dunno hey.
Faf and PSDT are the heartbeat of this Bok team.
Without them in defence we might not be as strong.

Whats the chance of a draw?

[JM2K6]

Boks will win this at a canter, 15+ point spread i am predicting

I dunno hey.
Faf and PSDT are the heartbeat of this Bok team.
Without them in defence we might not be as strong.

Whats the chance of a draw?

PSDT went off early and wasn't on the pitch for the best period of SA defence in this series, though

[Chilli]

Boks will win this at a canter, 15+ point spread i am predicting

I dunno hey.
Faf and PSDT are the heartbeat of this Bok team.
Without them in defence we might not be as strong.

Whats the chance of a draw?

PSDT went off early and wasn't on the pitch for the best period of SA defence in this series, though

Don't bring your logic and sensible bullshit to this thread.

[OomStruisbaai]

Boks will win this at a canter, 15+ point spread i am predicting

kiss of death.

The only plus for the Springbokke is that they had another week of practice and preparation (fielding up and unders)

[Sards]

Fafs best skill is the rush defense. Hershel also. We'll miss this hopefully not before it's to late.

Another WP joker

[boere wors]

Fafs best skill is the rush defense. Hershel also. We'll miss this hopefully not before it's to late.

Another WP joker

Springbok coach Jacques Nienaber has explained the reasons behind opting to start Cobus Reinach in place of the injured Faf de Klerk, and also why Morne Steyn was picked on the bench ahead of Elton Jantjies.

When Nienaber unveiled his team for the final Test of the three-match series against the British & Irish Lions, it was interesting to see Reinach jettisoned straight into the starting lineup after he was not part of the match-day squad for the first two Tests.

However, it means that rather than two roles needing to be changed after the injury to De Klerk, it will allow for Jantjies to continue in his impact role off the bench, while Reinach will start – as he did in the SA A game against the Bulls.

“Within our set-up and with our gameplan, we feel Cobus and Faf have a similar style of play and skill set they bring to the team.

“Herschel is a little bit different and out of the box, and for us going forward into the Test match, we feel it’s a like-like-for-like replacement to bring Cobus in to start, with Herschel able to bring the intensity like he always does off the bench.”



Maybe the words from our coach end this debate now

[handyman]

Fafs best skill is the rush defense. Hershel also. We'll miss this hopefully not before it's to late.

Another WP joker

Springbok coach Jacques Nienaber has explained the reasons behind opting to start Cobus Reinach in place of the injured Faf de Klerk, and also why Morne Steyn was picked on the bench ahead of Elton Jantjies.

When Nienaber unveiled his team for the final Test of the three-match series against the British & Irish Lions, it was interesting to see Reinach jettisoned straight into the starting lineup after he was not part of the match-day squad for the first two Tests.

However, it means that rather than two roles needing to be changed after the injury to De Klerk, it will allow for Jantjies to continue in his impact role off the bench, while Reinach will start – as he did in the SA A game against the Bulls.

“Within our set-up and with our gameplan, we feel Cobus and Faf have a similar style of play and skill set they bring to the team.

“Herschel is a little bit different and out of the box, and for us going forward into the Test match, we feel it’s a like-like-for-like replacement to bring Cobus in to start, with Herschel able to bring the intensity like he always does off the bench.”



Maybe the words from our coach end this debate now

Boerewors, not sure if you know about sards, but he is a flip flopper of note. Like a moody schoolgirl (as was once his alt), he chops and changes who he supports on a fairly regular base. He has been called out countless times, more often than not by saffer13 who made sards his little plaything.

[OomStruisbaai]

Fafs best skill is the rush defense. Hershel also. We'll miss this hopefully not before it's to late.

Another WP joker

Springbok coach Jacques Nienaber has explained the reasons behind opting to start Cobus Reinach in place of the injured Faf de Klerk, and also why Morne Steyn was picked on the bench ahead of Elton Jantjies.

When Nienaber unveiled his team for the final Test of the three-match series against the British & Irish Lions, it was interesting to see Reinach jettisoned straight into the starting lineup after he was not part of the match-day squad for the first two Tests.

However, it means that rather than two roles needing to be changed after the injury to De Klerk, it will allow for Jantjies to continue in his impact role off the bench, while Reinach will start – as he did in the SA A game against the Bulls.

“Within our set-up and with our gameplan, we feel Cobus and Faf have a similar style of play and skill set they bring to the team.

“Herschel is a little bit different and out of the box, and for us going forward into the Test match, we feel it’s a like-like-for-like replacement to bring Cobus in to start, with Herschel able to bring the intensity like he always does off the bench.”



Maybe the words from our coach end this debate now

Hershel had a very good spell from the bench on Saturday.

However I have faith in our coaches. They know what they are doing.

[Openside]

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cheslin Kolbe, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Siya Kolisi (c), 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 Steven Kitshoff
Replacements: 16 Malcolm Marx, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Marco van Staden, 20 Kwagga Smith, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Morne Steyn, 23 Damian Willemse

Mostert out of position at 7, but a natural athlete, so should be fine. Faf is a big loss, but Reinach should be up for it. Safer bench with 3 backline players.

Faf isn't a loss at all with a proper ref on the field he was unlikely to stay on anyway...

[Uncle fester]

Don't think we'll be as bad as we were last weekend.
Will it be enough? Who knows?

[handyman]

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cheslin Kolbe, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Siya Kolisi (c), 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 Steven Kitshoff
Replacements: 16 Malcolm Marx, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Marco van Staden, 20 Kwagga Smith, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Morne Steyn, 23 Damian Willemse

Mostert out of position at 7, but a natural athlete, so should be fine. Faf is a big loss, but Reinach should be up for it. Safer bench with 3 backline players.

Faf isn't a loss at all with a proper ref on the field he was unlikely to stay on anyway...

A French ref is a proper ref and an Aussie and Kiwi are not?

[Slick]

Mostert out of position at 7, but a natural athlete, so should be fine. Faf is a big loss, but Reinach should be up for it. Safer bench with 3 backline players.

Faf isn't a loss at all with a proper ref on the field he was unlikely to stay on anyway...

A French ref is a proper ref and an Aussie and Kiwi are not?

27 X better than an Aussie, apparently.

[handyman]

[Uncle fester]

Mostert out of position at 7, but a natural athlete, so should be fine. Faf is a big loss, but Reinach should be up for it. Safer bench with 3 backline players.

Faf isn't a loss at all with a proper ref on the field he was unlikely to stay on anyway...

A French ref is a proper ref and an Aussie and Kiwi are not?

Just going to put this out there.

I like Garces.

[Sards]

Another WP joker

Springbok coach Jacques Nienaber has explained the reasons behind opting to start Cobus Reinach in place of the injured Faf de Klerk, and also why Morne Steyn was picked on the bench ahead of Elton Jantjies.

When Nienaber unveiled his team for the final Test of the three-match series against the British & Irish Lions, it was interesting to see Reinach jettisoned straight into the starting lineup after he was not part of the match-day squad for the first two Tests.

However, it means that rather than two roles needing to be changed after the injury to De Klerk, it will allow for Jantjies to continue in his impact role off the bench, while Reinach will start – as he did in the SA A game against the Bulls.

“Within our set-up and with our gameplan, we feel Cobus and Faf have a similar style of play and skill set they bring to the team.

“Herschel is a little bit different and out of the box, and for us going forward into the Test match, we feel it’s a like-like-for-like replacement to bring Cobus in to start, with Herschel able to bring the intensity like he always does off the bench.”



Maybe the words from our coach end this debate now

Hershel had a very good spell from the bench on Saturday.

However I have faith in our coaches. They know what they are doing.

I said..." better "....but hardly ... " very good ".
His passes were accurate which is a major improvement on the first test....lets celebrate that....

[boere wors]

Another WP joker

Springbok coach Jacques Nienaber has explained the reasons behind opting to start Cobus Reinach in place of the injured Faf de Klerk, and also why Morne Steyn was picked on the bench ahead of Elton Jantjies.

When Nienaber unveiled his team for the final Test of the three-match series against the British & Irish Lions, it was interesting to see Reinach jettisoned straight into the starting lineup after he was not part of the match-day squad for the first two Tests.

However, it means that rather than two roles needing to be changed after the injury to De Klerk, it will allow for Jantjies to continue in his impact role off the bench, while Reinach will start – as he did in the SA A game against the Bulls.

“Within our set-up and with our gameplan, we feel Cobus and Faf have a similar style of play and skill set they bring to the team.

“Herschel is a little bit different and out of the box, and for us going forward into the Test match, we feel it’s a like-like-for-like replacement to bring Cobus in to start, with Herschel able to bring the intensity like he always does off the bench.”



Maybe the words from our coach end this debate now

Hershel had a very good spell from the bench on Saturday.

However I have faith in our coaches. They know what they are doing.

Why "however"? That's exactly what the coach says.

[Openside]

Mostert out of position at 7, but a natural athlete, so should be fine. Faf is a big loss, but Reinach should be up for it. Safer bench with 3 backline players.

Faf isn't a loss at all with a proper ref on the field he was unlikely to stay on anyway...

A French ref is a proper ref and an Aussie and Kiwi are not?

Who knows? but the Saffa's clearly didn't think the Aussie was any good and Faf stayed on with the Kiwi ref (and SA TMO) who also managed to drag out 40 mins of Rugby to 65 mins so you tell me....

[handyman]

Faf isn't a loss at all with a proper ref on the field he was unlikely to stay on anyway...

A French ref is a proper ref and an Aussie and Kiwi are not?

Who knows? but the Saffa's clearly didn't think the Aussie was any good and Faf stayed on with the Kiwi ref (and SA TMO) who also managed to drag out 40 mins of Rugby to 65 mins so you tell me....

I think you'd be in the minority on here if you put French ref's ahead of Aussies and Kiwi's. I think the comments on O-Keefe have been good.

[handyman]

Faf isn't a loss at all with a proper ref on the field he was unlikely to stay on anyway...

A French ref is a proper ref and an Aussie and Kiwi are not?

Just going to put this out there.

I like Garces.

Not one of my favorites.

[Cartman]

Boks will win this at a canter, 15+ point spread i am predicting

I dunno hey.
Faf and PSDT are the heartbeat of this Bok team.
Without them in defence we might not be as strong.

Whats the chance of a draw?

I don't know, at least we know they think very hard on selections, unlike HM for example
To me Mostert is pretty much like for like and Id say he has better hands... workrate is the same really
Reinach might be really effective as the pitch will be much drier and their backrow is wreaked

[boere wors]

Boks will win this at a canter, 15+ point spread i am predicting

I dunno hey.
Faf and PSDT are the heartbeat of this Bok team.
Without them in defence we might not be as strong.

Whats the chance of a draw?

I don't know, at least we know they think very hard on selections, unlike HM for example
To me Mostert is pretty much like for like and Id say he has better hands... workrate is the same really
Reinach might be really effective as the pitch will be much drier and their backrow is wreaked

Good post, spot on! We are playing a specific game plan and dont only rely on the individuals. Other guys can step up. The only problem with PSdT is rather that we are short of locks now.

[handyman]

It's actually amazing to think that the Boks forced the series to a decider with our players coming into the tests with only 1 game vs Georgia after 18 months on the side, with injuries to key players such as Vermeulen, PSDT, Faf, RG Snyman and Ox among others before and during the series and a few coming from injuries to be fit just in time.

[boere wors]

Absolutely. Not to forget the Covid outbreak in our camp. Massive effort!

[OomStruisbaai]

Springbok coach Jacques Nienaber has explained the reasons behind opting to start Cobus Reinach in place of the injured Faf de Klerk, and also why Morne Steyn was picked on the bench ahead of Elton Jantjies.

When Nienaber unveiled his team for the final Test of the three-match series against the British & Irish Lions, it was interesting to see Reinach jettisoned straight into the starting lineup after he was not part of the match-day squad for the first two Tests.

However, it means that rather than two roles needing to be changed after the injury to De Klerk, it will allow for Jantjies to continue in his impact role off the bench, while Reinach will start – as he did in the SA A game against the Bulls.

“Within our set-up and with our gameplan, we feel Cobus and Faf have a similar style of play and skill set they bring to the team.

“Herschel is a little bit different and out of the box, and for us going forward into the Test match, we feel it’s a like-like-for-like replacement to bring Cobus in to start, with Herschel able to bring the intensity like he always does off the bench.”



Maybe the words from our coach end this debate now

Hershel had a very good spell from the bench on Saturday.

However I have faith in our coaches. They know what they are doing.

Why "however"? That's exactly what the coach says.

Ek weet nie. Net na goeie brits geklink

[Sinkers]

I'm torn on whether I'm going to stay up til 2am again to watch this one. Last week was a seriously depressing watch. Series decider tho so I guess it has to be done.

[boere wors]

Hershel had a very good spell from the bench on Saturday.

However I have faith in our coaches. They know what they are doing.

Why "however"? That's exactly what the coach says.

Ek weet nie. Net na goeie brits geklink

[Calculon]

A French ref is a proper ref and an Aussie and Kiwi are not?

Who knows? but the Saffa's clearly didn't think the Aussie was any good and Faf stayed on with the Kiwi ref (and SA TMO) who also managed to drag out 40 mins of Rugby to 65 mins so you tell me....

I think you'd be in the minority on here if you put French ref's ahead of Aussies and Kiwi's. I think the comments on O-Keefe have been good.

Even if they're shit, I feel French refs are less prejudiced against the springboks

[Sards]

Sharks have offered to represent Rassie.

[Monk]

Who knows? but the Saffa's clearly didn't think the Aussie was any good and Faf stayed on with the Kiwi ref (and SA TMO) who also managed to drag out 40 mins of Rugby to 65 mins so you tell me....

I think you'd be in the minority on here if you put French ref's ahead of Aussies and Kiwi's. I think the comments on O-Keefe have been good.

Even if they're shit, I feel French refs are less prejudiced against the springboks

always happy with a French ref in charge - not squeamish