Poaching Players

[petej]

Who was the last player England capped that only qualified by residency?

Was it Solomona? Players like Roots, Heinz or Shields feel fairly poachy, but they qualified by ancestry.

We are so bad at poaching and rugby league converts. I'm sure once exposed to the borthwick coaching methodology and defensive structures these poaches will be no better than those already available to Borthwick's brain trust.

[Punter15]

I do not know why some people are so hung up on "poached" players, I would only considered a player poached if that player was a definite for the Boks and he got taken from under our noses, which os not the case for 99% of the players. ( Poaching is the Sharks buying up every Springbok they can from other local teams and throwing money at them to join. ) If they end up staying there long enough to qualify for the national team, then good for them. If the Springboks lose a potential player to another country, then it is our fault for not picking him in the first place. You cannot expect most players to hang around forever with the slim hope they might get picked for the Springboks one day when you have the opportunity to play international rugby for someone else. In the end of the day, the money you get when playing for an international team instead of just a club/franchise makes it worth it for a lot of players to change flag when an opportunity comes along and when they feel they do not have a realistic chance to play for the Boks. Not to mention the money opportunities that come along for international players after they hang up their boots.

There are only so many professional positions available in SA and considering that we have a large amount of players coming through the provincial school/varsity structures every year it is only logical that many of those players will search for options elsewhere.

At u18 Craven week, about 50% of the players are signed up by local provinces, so there are another 50% that will look elsewhere if they want to make a career out of rugby. Of the 50% that are signed up locally, quite a few will move on after a few years as well when they do not get into the senior teams quick enough. Like someone else said, this is a professional sport and you play where you can maximize your potential income

I dont think any Saffer poster on the board criticize poaching. Its the Scots that get all precious about it. I like watching the likes of Duhan and Schoeeeeee performing for them. In fact I sort of support them.

I think you’ll find we don’t give a flying fuck. We’re rather good at it and embrace it. Any time we get arsey it’s defending a player that we are very fond of rather than the policy.

The ones who get in a big flap are the English who like to pretend that they aren’t big into poaching because they usually make bad choices, and the Welsh who’d love to poach but no one is interested in going there.

[JM2K6]

It's mostly that people make daft assumptions about the clubs and the RFU being in cahoots to get people to play for England, which is dumb as shit. We've capped people via residency (usually well after they've qualified TBF) and we've had some dubious heritage selections as well, like Brad Shields or Willie Heinz, but we don't have a policy of bringing people in from overseas with the express aim of them playing for England a la the project players system in Ireland. Rugby just doesn't work that way in this country for a number of reasons.

Right now are hands are pretty clean, there's IFW who is a classic grandparent selection but with the caveat that 99% of his pro rugby experience is with premiership sides, and there's an outside chance we may cap Tyrone Green on residency fairly soon (but I personally don't think we will). Certainly we had a period of capping a bunch of Saffers, albeit ones who had spent a very long time in English rugby, and Eddie Jones was obsessed with anyone who had Super Rugby experience, the twat

[Uncle fester]

It's mostly that people make daft assumptions about the clubs and the RFU being in cahoots to get people to play for England, which is dumb as shit. We've capped people via residency (usually well after they've qualified TBF) and we've had some dubious heritage selections as well, like Brad Shields or Willie Heinz, but we don't have a policy of bringing people in from overseas with the express aim of them playing for England a la the project players system in Ireland. Rugby just doesn't work that way in this country for a number of reasons.

Right now are hands are pretty clean, there's IFW who is a classic grandparent selection but with the caveat that 99% of his pro rugby experience is with premiership sides, and there's an outside chance we may cap Tyrone Green on residency fairly soon (but I personally don't think we will). Certainly we had a period of capping a bunch of Saffers, albeit ones who had spent a very long time in English rugby, and Eddie Jones was obsessed with anyone who had Super Rugby experience, the twat

Feyi-Waboso

[JM2K6]

It's mostly that people make daft assumptions about the clubs and the RFU being in cahoots to get people to play for England, which is dumb as shit. We've capped people via residency (usually well after they've qualified TBF) and we've had some dubious heritage selections as well, like Brad Shields or Willie Heinz, but we don't have a policy of bringing people in from overseas with the express aim of them playing for England a la the project players system in Ireland. Rugby just doesn't work that way in this country for a number of reasons.

Right now are hands are pretty clean, there's IFW who is a classic grandparent selection but with the caveat that 99% of his pro rugby experience is with premiership sides, and there's an outside chance we may cap Tyrone Green on residency fairly soon (but I personally don't think we will). Certainly we had a period of capping a bunch of Saffers, albeit ones who had spent a very long time in English rugby, and Eddie Jones was obsessed with anyone who had Super Rugby experience, the twat

Feyi-Waboso

Who do you think I was referring to by "IFW" exactly

[Slick]

It's mostly that people make daft assumptions about the clubs and the RFU being in cahoots to get people to play for England, which is dumb as shit. We've capped people via residency (usually well after they've qualified TBF) and we've had some dubious heritage selections as well, like Brad Shields or Willie Heinz, but we don't have a policy of bringing people in from overseas with the express aim of them playing for England a la the project players system in Ireland. Rugby just doesn't work that way in this country for a number of reasons.

Right now are hands are pretty clean, there's IFW who is a classic grandparent selection but with the caveat that 99% of his pro rugby experience is with premiership sides, and there's an outside chance we may cap Tyrone Green on residency fairly soon (but I personally don't think we will). Certainly we had a period of capping a bunch of Saffers, albeit ones who had spent a very long time in English rugby, and Eddie Jones was obsessed with anyone who had Super Rugby experience, the twat

Feyi-Waboso

Who do you think I was referring to by "IFW" exactly

Isobel Fanny-Wank

[SaintK]

Feyi-Waboso

Who do you think I was referring to by "IFW" exactly

Isobel Fanny-Wank

[Sandstorm]

[Uncle fester]

Feyi-Waboso

Who do you think I was referring to by "IFW" exactly

Isobel Fanny-Wank

A fine hooker and categorically not a poach.

[JM2K6]

'kin 'ell it's like a Michael MacIntyre holiday special in here