In ten years working in academic research, I don't think I've ever read a paper from a Russian research group in a Russian institute.
Plenty of excellent Russian scientists based around the world, though. Such as Andre Geim and Konstantin Novoselov, who won the Nobel prize for physics in 2010 for work they did in Manchester university.
Again, which other countries could qualify? Making my list off as bullshit is a bit harsh, I think.
Give us a reason why it’s not bullshit then. Justify it.
So far the best that anyone has come up with is that the UK should replace Russia in the top 5 (I disagree with that). There seems to be consensus that the other countries mentioned by me should be top of he list. So it's not a bullshit list as only the position of Russia seems to be challenged.
Still no reason or justification. And you’ve rubbished every other suggestion of a method without telling us yours.
Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:03 pm
Russia boasts many brilliant minds, despite some of the more decadent ones being lured by dollars to American and British universities. It's no surprise that they are world leaders in creating a COVID-19 vaccine. Well done to Russia.
Certainly world leaders at creating biological weapons; & the skills are transferable
Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:03 pm
Russia boasts many brilliant minds, despite some of the more decadent ones being lured by dollars to American and British universities. It's no surprise that they are world leaders in creating a COVID-19 vaccine. Well done to Russia.
Certainly world leaders at creating biological weapons; & the skills are transferable
huh..
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:06 am
by Quade
I've worked with plenty of Russian scientists of the years and they're decent enough. Funny bunch though - their battles amongst each other make the inter-Saffa shitfights on PR look like child's play.
In fact the only murderer/murderee I know was when one of them decided to kill his wife, who was also a scientist at work. 'Got off' on an insanity plea, though he only seemed mid-range on the Russian craziness spectrum to me.
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:54 am
by Amethyst
Nols wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:04 pmIn ten years working in academic research, I don't think I've ever read a paper from a Russian research group in a Russian institute.
Plenty of excellent Russian scientists based around the world, though. Such as Andre Geim and Konstantin Novoselov, who won the Nobel prize for physics in 2010 for work they did in Manchester university.
Exactly, which is a prime example why everything is a bit of a mystery as far as Russia is concerned. They tend to keep very much "in-house"
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:56 am
by Amethyst
Quade wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:06 am
I've worked with plenty of Russian scientists of the years and they're decent enough. Funny bunch though - their battles amongst each other make the inter-Saffa shitfights on PR look like child's play.
In fact the only murderer/murderee I know was when one of them decided to kill his wife, who was also a scientist at work. 'Got off' on an insanity plea, though he only seemed mid-range on the Russian craziness spectrum to me.
Quade wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:06 am
I've worked with plenty of Russian scientists of the years and they're decent enough. Funny bunch though - their battles amongst each other make the inter-Saffa shitfights on PR look like child's play.
In fact the only murderer/murderee I know was when one of them decided to kill his wife, who was also a scientist at work. 'Got off' on an insanity plea, though he only seemed mid-range on the Russian craziness spectrum to me.
Should be banned for racism.
I agree - ban Wikipedia while you're at it:
Modern Slavic nations and ethnic groups are considerably diverse both genetically and culturally, and relations between them – even within the individual groups – range from "ethnic solidarity to mutual feelings of hostility".[10]
Nols wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:04 pmIn ten years working in academic research, I don't think I've ever read a paper from a Russian research group in a Russian institute.
Plenty of excellent Russian scientists based around the world, though. Such as Andre Geim and Konstantin Novoselov, who won the Nobel prize for physics in 2010 for work they did in Manchester university.
Exactly, which is a prime example why everything is a bit of a mystery as far as Russia is concerned. They tend to keep very much "in-house"
By that reasoning you should have North Korea in your top five as well.
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:11 am
by Lemoentjie
Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:23 am
Given the alacrity with which (we are told) Russia was attempting to hack into UK universities developing vaccines, and their long history of relying on espionage rather than innovation in science and technology, part of me wonders if the Russian vaccine is in fact a modified version of the Oxford (or any other) vaccine.
This is part of the constant Russophobia. We're talking about a country that put the first man in space, the first woman in space, the first satellite in space, invented the solar cell, discovered viruses, invented the LED.
The truth is that the West doesn't want Russia to be seen as its equal, for various reasons. If anything, you'd expect the West to be stealing from Russian research.
Nols wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:04 pmIn ten years working in academic research, I don't think I've ever read a paper from a Russian research group in a Russian institute.
Plenty of excellent Russian scientists based around the world, though. Such as Andre Geim and Konstantin Novoselov, who won the Nobel prize for physics in 2010 for work they did in Manchester university.
Exactly, which is a prime example why everything is a bit of a mystery as far as Russia is concerned. They tend to keep very much "in-house"
Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:23 am
Given the alacrity with which (we are told) Russia was attempting to hack into UK universities developing vaccines, and their long history of relying on espionage rather than innovation in science and technology, part of me wonders if the Russian vaccine is in fact a modified version of the Oxford (or any other) vaccine.
This is part of the constant Russophobia. We're talking about a country that put the first man in space, the first woman in space, the first satellite in space, invented the solar cell, discovered viruses, invented the LED.
The truth is that the West doesn't want Russia to be seen as its equal, for various reasons. If anything, you'd expect the West to be stealing from Russian research.
Выход, агент Лимон
What was the last majot breakthrough of note that came out of Russian labs/industry? Anything since the collapse of the USSR?
Wow, that hurts deeply. What is your top 5 or are you too much of a softcock to give your own list instead of throwing insults (a sign of your own insecurities and maybe inferior education)?
What value is there in me pulling a list out of my arse to compare with the list you have made up. Produce some support for your list or crawl back under your stone.
You are just a sour puss because I didn't list the UK in the top 5. Which of those 5 top countries I've mentioned should be replaced by the UK (there, I've made it easy for you)? And name any other country that should be included in that top 5 instead, come on softcock.
You do know that this isn't like discussing your favourite type of footwear don't you? Opinions are worthless. These things can be objectively assessed.
Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:23 am
Given the alacrity with which (we are told) Russia was attempting to hack into UK universities developing vaccines, and their long history of relying on espionage rather than innovation in science and technology, part of me wonders if the Russian vaccine is in fact a modified version of the Oxford (or any other) vaccine.
This is part of the constant Russophobia. We're talking about a country that put the first man in space, the first woman in space, the first satellite in space, invented the solar cell, discovered viruses, invented the LED.
The truth is that the West doesn't want Russia to be seen as its equal, for various reasons. If anything, you'd expect the West to be stealing from Russian research.
Выход, агент Лимон
What was the last majot breakthrough of note that came out of Russian labs/industry? Anything since the collapse of the USSR?
You'll find that out the day they nuke you to oblivion.
What value is there in me pulling a list out of my arse to compare with the list you have made up. Produce some support for your list or crawl back under your stone.
You are just a sour puss because I didn't list the UK in the top 5. Which of those 5 top countries I've mentioned should be replaced by the UK (there, I've made it easy for you)? And name any other country that should be included in that top 5 instead, come on softcock.
You do know that this isn't like discussing your favourite type of footwear don't you? Opinions are worthless. These things can be objectively assessed.
Like having 50 universities in the world top 100 opposed to none. Well done.
I'd "rather" China's response, as it's at least still controlled. In truth, I'd rather wait until proper testing is done!
Russians gambling big time here, hopefully it doesn't bite them on the arse.
eah, they're still effectively having a large controlled trial, but it's pretty unethical as it doesn't involve volunteers (also doesn't cover the spread of demographics, so doesn't prove the fullrange of side effects across the population.).
I wonder how many political prisoners volunteered for vaccine trials in China & Russia
what are the chances of a lot of volunteers being in Xinjiang province ?!
Fauci is calling bullsh1t on the Russian vaccine - not sure how orange shitgibbon feels about that
You are just a sour puss because I didn't list the UK in the top 5. Which of those 5 top countries I've mentioned should be replaced by the UK (there, I've made it easy for you)? And name any other country that should be included in that top 5 instead, come on softcock.
You do know that this isn't like discussing your favourite type of footwear don't you? Opinions are worthless. These things can be objectively assessed.
Like having 50 universities in the world top 100 opposed to none. Well done.
That could indeed be a way to measure it. Happy with it?
You are just a sour puss because I didn't list the UK in the top 5. Which of those 5 top countries I've mentioned should be replaced by the UK (there, I've made it easy for you)? And name any other country that should be included in that top 5 instead, come on softcock.
You do know that this isn't like discussing your favourite type of footwear don't you? Opinions are worthless. These things can be objectively assessed.
Like having 50 universities in the world top 100 opposed to none. Well done.
You do know that this isn't like discussing your favourite type of footwear don't you? Opinions are worthless. These things can be objectively assessed.
Like having 50 universities in the world top 100 opposed to none. Well done.
You aren't even trying any more.
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:16 am
by Lemoentjie
ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:57 am
Fauci is calling bullsh1t on the Russian vaccine
Of course he would. So predictable. Also university rankings done by Western countries or bodies cannot be used as bias-free ranking systems.
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:15 am
by Amethyst
Earthquake in English Channel. Russians are coming.
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:31 pm
by Hellraiser
Do they still use lead water pipes in South Africa?
Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:23 am
Given the alacrity with which (we are told) Russia was attempting to hack into UK universities developing vaccines, and their long history of relying on espionage rather than innovation in science and technology, part of me wonders if the Russian vaccine is in fact a modified version of the Oxford (or any other) vaccine.
This is part of the constant Russophobia. We're talking about a country that put the first man in space, the first woman in space, the first satellite in space, invented the solar cell, discovered viruses, invented the LED.
The truth is that the West doesn't want Russia to be seen as its equal, for various reasons. If anything, you'd expect the West to be stealing from Russian research.
Выход, агент Лимон
I am surprised that you didn’t include supersonic aircraft in your list of Russian ‘achievements’. I’m sure you believe that because the TU-144 debuted 3 months before Concorde, this proves that the Russians didn’t makes use of the 90,000 technical documents they stole from the British and French teams working on Concorde.
Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:23 am
Given the alacrity with which (we are told) Russia was attempting to hack into UK universities developing vaccines, and their long history of relying on espionage rather than innovation in science and technology, part of me wonders if the Russian vaccine is in fact a modified version of the Oxford (or any other) vaccine.
This is part of the constant Russophobia. We're talking about a country that put the first man in space, the first woman in space, the first satellite in space, invented the solar cell, discovered viruses, invented the LED.
The truth is that the West doesn't want Russia to be seen as its equal, for various reasons. If anything, you'd expect the West to be stealing from Russian research.
Выход, агент Лимон
I am surprised that you didn’t include supersonic aircraft in your list of Russian ‘achievements’. I’m sure you believe that because the TU-144 debuted 3 months before Concorde, this proves that the Russians didn’t makes use of the 90,000 technical documents they stole from the British and French teams working on Concorde.
Still needed to get the product in the air. Shit design anyway which went up in flames over a French suburb..
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:38 pm
by A6D6E6
Has Russia reduced the amount they are paying online trolls these days? The quality seems much lower than in the past.
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:45 pm
by Amethyst
A6D6E6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:38 pm
Has Russia reduced the amount they are paying online trolls these days? The quality seems much lower than in the past.
Should have asked the Ruskies to build your Concorde for you.
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:47 pm
by Biffer
This guy is a poor man's bimbo. Same shiteness of pish posts but babblingly incoherent instead of only mildly so.
Nols wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:04 pmIn ten years working in academic research, I don't think I've ever read a paper from a Russian research group in a Russian institute.
Plenty of excellent Russian scientists based around the world, though. Such as Andre Geim and Konstantin Novoselov, who won the Nobel prize for physics in 2010 for work they did in Manchester university.
Exactly, which is a prime example why everything is a bit of a mystery as far as Russia is concerned. They tend to keep very much "in-house"
If only they fucken would.
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:29 pm
by Amethyst
Please guys, let's be friends again. Russia > UK, it's not so bad just to admit it.
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:40 pm
by Lemoentjie
But that's another counter-argument: the best Russian research isn't done at universities, it's done by government (usually military) institutes. Of course they're not going to release their findings to a British academic journal.
This is part of the constant Russophobia. We're talking about a country that put the first man in space, the first woman in space, the first satellite in space, invented the solar cell, discovered viruses, invented the LED.
The truth is that the West doesn't want Russia to be seen as its equal, for various reasons. If anything, you'd expect the West to be stealing from Russian research.
Выход, агент Лимон
I am surprised that you didn’t include supersonic aircraft in your list of Russian ‘achievements’. I’m sure you believe that because the TU-144 debuted 3 months before Concorde, this proves that the Russians didn’t makes use of the 90,000 technical documents they stole from the British and French teams working on Concorde.
Still needed to get the product in the air. Shit design anyway which went up in flames over a French suburb..
Twice; & the Russians got that, honour first too !
Rumour had it; that the design was so Russian, when it came to the aircraft interior; that passengers would have ended up with severe hearing damage at the end of flights.
I am surprised that you didn’t include supersonic aircraft in your list of Russian ‘achievements’. I’m sure you believe that because the TU-144 debuted 3 months before Concorde, this proves that the Russians didn’t makes use of the 90,000 technical documents they stole from the British and French teams working on Concorde.
Still needed to get the product in the air. Shit design anyway which went up in flames over a French suburb..
Twice; & the Russians got that, honour first too !
Rumour had it; that the design was so Russian, when it came to the aircraft interior; that passengers would have ended up with severe hearing damage at the end of flights.
Interesting video from the West. It does seem to be a totally different plane though, debunking the bullshit that it was a Concorde ripoff. Bigger, higher passenger capacity (different interior design), more powerful engines (Russian's own), specific design to give the heavier aircraft more lift, lots of changes and improvements in general before release for commercial flights. Notably, first crash in testing phase seems to be caused by pilot/crew error. All in all another fine world first achievement by the Ruskies.
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:43 am
by Lobby
I see the Putintroll is back on message.
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:59 am
by Amethyst
Lobby wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:43 am
I see the Putintroll is back on message.
It seems as if you have completely thrown in the towel now. Poor showing.
Still needed to get the product in the air. Shit design anyway which went up in flames over a French suburb..
Twice; & the Russians got that, honour first too !
Rumour had it; that the design was so Russian, when it came to the aircraft interior; that passengers would have ended up with severe hearing damage at the end of flights.
Interesting video from the West. It does seem to be a totally different plane though, debunking the bullshit that it was a Concorde ripoff. Bigger, higher passenger capacity (different interior design), more powerful engines (Russian's own), specific design to give the heavier aircraft more lift, lots of changes and improvements in general before release for commercial flights. Notably, first crash in testing phase seems to be caused by pilot/crew error. All in all another fine world first achievement by the Ruskies.
Still needed to get the product in the air. Shit design anyway which went up in flames over a French suburb..
Twice; & the Russians got that, honour first too !
Rumour had it; that the design was so Russian, when it came to the aircraft interior; that passengers would have ended up with severe hearing damage at the end of flights.
Interesting video from the West. It does seem to be a totally different plane though, debunking the bullshit that it was a Concorde ripoff. Bigger, higher passenger capacity (different interior design), more powerful engines (Russian's own), specific design to give the heavier aircraft more lift, lots of changes and improvements in general before release for commercial flights. Notably, first crash in testing phase seems to be caused by pilot/crew error. All in all another fine world first achievement by the Ruskies.
It was eventually acknowledged by Tupolev that much of the basic research regarding the delta wing, the drooping nose, etc came from KGB espionage. What they couldn't copy were the control systems - so rather brazenly they actually attempted to purchase them from the UK manufacturer, and were denied after government intervention (theoretically the same systems could have been retro-engineered for military aircraft). There's speculation that the lack of these control systems played a major part in the crash
Re: Russia registers first corona vaccine
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:42 pm
by Ali Cadoo
Plus there was all that good work done by Soviets in managing nuclear disasters.
