NPR

handyman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:38 am There are no style points in rugby. We do what we have to do to win. You don't like, bugger off.

Fine, we'll take 'bugger off' please.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:58 am Nobody up here wants South Africa in the 6N.

It is being discussed at high levels.

Just because you don't want it, doesn't mean others don't.

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:03 am

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:58 am Nobody up here wants South Africa in the 6N.

It is being discussed at high levels.

Just because you don't want it, doesn't mean others don't.

I can see why you and fellow South Africans are on your knees in front of the glory hole but up here, nobody wants it.

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:29 am Don't want the world champion Boks because they play "boring" rugby.

But ok with Italy shipping hundreds of points every tournament for the last 20 years.

we'll join it if we want to. And if we do, we will win it in our first year.

This post encapsulates exactly why you are not welcome.

Plenty of the rugby in the 6N is turgid, boring crap. Some is also very good.

But all of that is secondary to the history, the friendly rivalry, the meeting up with mates, the friendships you make with other supporters that last for decades, the jumping on a train, or plane for an hour, and having an unforgettable weekend in Paris, Dublin, Rome, Edinburgh, Cardiff.

You lot don't get it, and would devalue the whole thing. No thanks.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:13 am But all of that is secondary to the history, the friendly rivalry, the meeting up with mates, the friendships you make with other supporters that last for decades, the jumping on a train, or plane for an hour, and having an unforgettable weekend in Paris, Dublin, Rome, Edinburgh, Cardiff.

I will be your friend. It will be unforgettable.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:13 am

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:29 am Don't want the world champion Boks because they play "boring" rugby.

But ok with Italy shipping hundreds of points every tournament for the last 20 years.

we'll join it if we want to. And if we do, we will win it in our first year.

This post encapsulates exactly why you are not welcome.

Plenty of the rugby in the 6N is turgid, boring crap. Some is also very good.

But all of that is secondary to the history, the friendly rivalry, the meeting up with mates, the friendships you make with other supporters that last for decades, the jumping on a train, or plane for an hour, and having an unforgettable weekend in Paris, Dublin, Rome, Edinburgh, Cardiff.

You lot don't get it, and would devalue the whole thing. No thanks.

'You lot don't get it' ?

What an unbelievable statement.

Regardless, it will come down to money. It always does and you know that as well as I do.

sorCrer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:21 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:13 am

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:29 am Don't want the world champion Boks because they play "boring" rugby.

But ok with Italy shipping hundreds of points every tournament for the last 20 years.

we'll join it if we want to. And if we do, we will win it in our first year.

This post encapsulates exactly why you are not welcome.

Plenty of the rugby in the 6N is turgid, boring crap. Some is also very good.

But all of that is secondary to the history, the friendly rivalry, the meeting up with mates, the friendships you make with other supporters that last for decades, the jumping on a train, or plane for an hour, and having an unforgettable weekend in Paris, Dublin, Rome, Edinburgh, Cardiff.

You lot don't get it, and would devalue the whole thing. No thanks.

'You lot don't get it' ?

What an unbelievable statement.

Regardless, it will come down to money. It always does and you know that as well as I do.

You quite obviously don't if the past few weeks are anything to go by.

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:20 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:13 am But all of that is secondary to the history, the friendly rivalry, the meeting up with mates, the friendships you make with other supporters that last for decades, the jumping on a train, or plane for an hour, and having an unforgettable weekend in Paris, Dublin, Rome, Edinburgh, Cardiff.

I will be your friend. It will be unforgettable.

That would be great. But I think every 12 years is enough.

sorCrer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:21 am
Regardless, it will come down to money. It always does and you know that as well as I do.

And South Africa don't have any.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:35 am And South Africa don't have any.

What if we pay you in friendship? I hear this is very important to be part of the 6N.

Chilli wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:15 am

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:29 am Don't want the world champion Boks because they play "boring" rugby.

But ok with Italy shipping hundreds of points every tournament for the last 20 years.

we'll join it if we want to. And if we do, we will win it in our first year.

Herein lies the issue.
The very best of the combined strengths of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales were comprehensively beaten by the $pringboks. Chances are we would win the 6N at a bit of a canter. They would rather not be shown up again, so they would rather keep Italy and maybe add Georgia, Japan and or Tonga / Fiji to keep their winning percentages up.


As much as they have accused us of being bad winners, they are incredibly bad losers.

Vanishingly few people want that.

Most of us just want the 6 Nations to carry on being a tournament for the 6 best teams in Europe. Even with their relative shiteness, that includes Italy. There are other test windows to play other teams.

To your other post which quoted mine, I think the most withering critcism about Rassie has related to his off field shenanigans and those certainly don't change any views on wanting to maintain our European tournament as it is.

In all seriousness, I too like the 6N the way it is and I would also be defensive about it regarding the proposed changes.

I don't think it's ideal for the Boks to join it. I'd prefer they continue with the URC plans but stick to the RC. If we did join, that would mean no more November tests which I greatly enjoy.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:23 am

sorCrer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:21 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:13 am

This post encapsulates exactly why you are not welcome.

Plenty of the rugby in the 6N is turgid, boring crap. Some is also very good.

But all of that is secondary to the history, the friendly rivalry, the meeting up with mates, the friendships you make with other supporters that last for decades, the jumping on a train, or plane for an hour, and having an unforgettable weekend in Paris, Dublin, Rome, Edinburgh, Cardiff.

You lot don't get it, and would devalue the whole thing. No thanks.

'You lot don't get it' ?

What an unbelievable statement.

Regardless, it will come down to money. It always does and you know that as well as I do.

You quite obviously don't if the past few weeks are anything to go by.

I've always found rugby types to be pretty much the same wherever I've travelled noting I haven't been to NZ.

You should be welcoming the Bok with open arms and hearts. You may actually learn how to play rugby and compete with the SH powerhouses.

sorCrer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:12 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:23 am

sorCrer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:21 am

'You lot don't get it' ?

What an unbelievable statement.

Regardless, it will come down to money. It always does and you know that as well as I do.

You quite obviously don't if the past few weeks are anything to go by.

I've always found rugby types to be pretty much the same wherever I've travelled noting I haven't been to NZ.

You should be welcoming the Bok with open arms and hearts. You may actually learn how to play rugby and compete with the SH powerhouses.

For that reason you shouldn't take the comments too seriously

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:00 am In all seriousness, I too like the 6N the way it is and I would also be defensive about it regarding the proposed changes.

I don't think it's ideal for the Boks to join it. I'd prefer they continue with the URC plans but stick to the RC. If we did join, that would mean no more November tests which I greatly enjoy.

I hate the November tests. Many of our players have bene playing since late Jan / early Feb and are finished by the year end.

Personally, I don't want us to join the 6N either. It will mess up a well established and respected competition. Italy shouldn't have joined either.

If they're talking about it, it'll be about the money.

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:29 am Don't want the world champion Boks because they play "boring" rugby.

But ok with Italy shipping hundreds of points every tournament for the last 20 years.

we'll join it if we want to. And if we do, we will win it in our first year.

Not your decision.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 8:30 am Not your decision.

I was taking the piss ffs.

It will all come down to $$$

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:38 am

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:35 am And South Africa don't have any.

What if we pay you in friendship? I hear this is very important to be part of the 6N.

Maybe make a video about friendship..

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:53 am

Chilli wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:15 am

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:29 am Don't want the world champion Boks because they play "boring" rugby.

But ok with Italy shipping hundreds of points every tournament for the last 20 years.

we'll join it if we want to. And if we do, we will win it in our first year.

Herein lies the issue.
The very best of the combined strengths of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales were comprehensively beaten by the $pringboks. Chances are we would win the 6N at a bit of a canter. They would rather not be shown up again, so they would rather keep Italy and maybe add Georgia, Japan and or Tonga / Fiji to keep their winning percentages up.


As much as they have accused us of being bad winners, they are incredibly bad losers.

Vanishingly few people want that.

Most of us just want the 6 Nations to carry on being a tournament for the 6 best teams in Europe. Even with their relative shiteness, that includes Italy. There are other test windows to play other teams.

To your other post which quoted mine, I think the most withering critcism about Rassie has related to his off field shenanigans and those certainly don't change any views on wanting to maintain our European tournament as it is.

The 6N is a European Tournament steeped in History, I understand you not wanting to change that.

Regarding Rassie and his "shenanigans", as far as we know he sent hat video to World Rugby because he couldn't get the time of day from them regarding the first test. There is no proof that he leaked it to the media.
Same for Gatland. There is no direct evidence that he complained about the video ref, the $pringbok supporters believe it was true and it influenced the TMO.

Neither coaches covered themselves with glory it seems.

Half our Springboks play up North anyways. If we play in the 6 Nations those NH clubs will benefit.

Sadly the NH posters on here have lost real rugby culture and sportsmanship.

We can add a lot of value

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:08 am

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:03 am

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:58 am Nobody up here wants South Africa in the 6N.

It is being discussed at high levels.

Just because you don't want it, doesn't mean others don't.

I can see why you and fellow South Africans are on your knees in front of the glory hole but up here, nobody wants it.

If they are told to vokkof it will be a catastrophe of the highest order for South Africa....they would have a huge migration of our top players discounting their expectations....

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:05 am

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:38 am

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:35 am And South Africa don't have any.

What if we pay you in friendship? I hear this is very important to be part of the 6N.

Maybe make a video about friendship..

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:02 am Half our Springboks play up North anyways. If we play in the 6 Nations those NH clubs will benefit.

Sadly the NH posters on here have lost real rugby culture and sportsmanship.

We can add a lot of value

Sportmanship from the Saffa

The kind Jeff Tordeau got ?
The kind David Bory got ?

Fuck off.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:02 am Half our Springboks play up North anyways. If we play in the 6 Nations those NH clubs will benefit.

Sadly the NH posters on here have lost real rugby culture and sportsmanship.

We can add a lot of value

Benefit by... not having those players available during the 6N? All of a sudden the value of Saffer players drops dramatically. This is both good and bad, obviously, but it's a negative for the NH clubs.

We don't want SA in the 6N. Very little appetite from the fans, no space in the calendar, even more wear and tear on the players.

laurent wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:17 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:02 am Half our Springboks play up North anyways. If we play in the 6 Nations those NH clubs will benefit.

Sadly the NH posters on here have lost real rugby culture and sportsmanship.

We can add a lot of value

Sportmanship from the Saffa

The kind Jeff Tordeau got ?
The kind David Bory got ?

Fuck off.

The first thing we do is to congrats the winning team supporters.

It's something we grow up with. War on the field, friends off the field.

You must try it.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:40 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:02 am Half our Springboks play up North anyways. If we play in the 6 Nations those NH clubs will benefit.

Sadly the NH posters on here have lost real rugby culture and sportsmanship.

We can add a lot of value

Benefit by... not having those players available during the 6N? All of a sudden the value of Saffer players drops dramatically. This is both good and bad, obviously, but it's a negative for the NH clubs.

We don't want SA in the 6N. Very little appetite from the fans, no space in the calendar, even more wear and tear on the players.

The Saffers keeping the clubs going now while the 6 Nations test are on.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:49 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:40 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:02 am Half our Springboks play up North anyways. If we play in the 6 Nations those NH clubs will benefit.

Sadly the NH posters on here have lost real rugby culture and sportsmanship.

We can add a lot of value

Benefit by... not having those players available during the 6N? All of a sudden the value of Saffer players drops dramatically. This is both good and bad, obviously, but it's a negative for the NH clubs.

We don't want SA in the 6N. Very little appetite from the fans, no space in the calendar, even more wear and tear on the players.

The Saffers keeping the clubs going now while the 6 Nations test are on.

They're useful for pro rugby - big, physical, not very expensive, available for more of the season than top quality NH players. They're not "keeping the clubs going", but they do provide excellent squad filler at the very least, and of course the best of them are very good players in their own right.

Make it so they're less likely to be available during the 6N and clubs will stop signing them, which is good for SA rugby but isn't exactly a bonus for the clubs.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:52 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:49 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:40 am

Benefit by... not having those players available during the 6N? All of a sudden the value of Saffer players drops dramatically. This is both good and bad, obviously, but it's a negative for the NH clubs.

We don't want SA in the 6N. Very little appetite from the fans, no space in the calendar, even more wear and tear on the players.

The Saffers keeping the clubs going now while the 6 Nations test are on.

They're useful for pro rugby - big, physical, not very expensive, available for more of the season than top quality NH players. They're not "keeping the clubs going", but they do provide excellent squad filler at the very least, and of course the best of them are very good players in their own right.

Make it so they're less likely to be available during the 6N and clubs will stop signing them, which is good for SA rugby but isn't exactly a bonus for the clubs.

Make sense. I thought the club rugby stop when there are tests. My mistake.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:58 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:52 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:49 am
The Saffers keeping the clubs going now while the 6 Nations test are on.

They're useful for pro rugby - big, physical, not very expensive, available for more of the season than top quality NH players. They're not "keeping the clubs going", but they do provide excellent squad filler at the very least, and of course the best of them are very good players in their own right.

Make it so they're less likely to be available during the 6N and clubs will stop signing them, which is good for SA rugby but isn't exactly a bonus for the clubs.

Make sense. I thought the club rugby stop when there are tests. My mistake.

That would be far too sensible for NH rugby :-)

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:58 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:52 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:49 am
The Saffers keeping the clubs going now while the 6 Nations test are on.

They're useful for pro rugby - big, physical, not very expensive, available for more of the season than top quality NH players. They're not "keeping the clubs going", but they do provide excellent squad filler at the very least, and of course the best of them are very good players in their own right.

Make it so they're less likely to be available during the 6N and clubs will stop signing them, which is good for SA rugby but isn't exactly a bonus for the clubs.

Make sense. I thought the club rugby stop when there are tests. My mistake.

The last couple of years with covid disrupted schedules have changed things a bit on that front. We were getting to a point where maybe only a couple of rounds of Premiership would be over the actual test weekends.

However, certainly from an England point of view, the EPS agreement between the RFU and the Premiership has players unavailable for the whole tournament plus a week or two beforehand, not just the test weeks covered by regulation 9, so more than that is missed. Players not eligible for any of the 6 Nations, often South Africans these days for the reasons JMK outlined, are very useful during this period.

Chilli wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:14 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:53 am

Chilli wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:15 am

Herein lies the issue.
The very best of the combined strengths of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales were comprehensively beaten by the $pringboks. Chances are we would win the 6N at a bit of a canter. They would rather not be shown up again, so they would rather keep Italy and maybe add Georgia, Japan and or Tonga / Fiji to keep their winning percentages up.


As much as they have accused us of being bad winners, they are incredibly bad losers.

Vanishingly few people want that.

Most of us just want the 6 Nations to carry on being a tournament for the 6 best teams in Europe. Even with their relative shiteness, that includes Italy. There are other test windows to play other teams.

To your other post which quoted mine, I think the most withering critcism about Rassie has related to his off field shenanigans and those certainly don't change any views on wanting to maintain our European tournament as it is.

The 6N is a European Tournament steeped in History, I understand you not wanting to change that.

Regarding Rassie and his "shenanigans", as far as we know he sent hat video to World Rugby because he couldn't get the time of day from them regarding the first test. There is no proof that he leaked it to the media.
Same for Gatland. There is no direct evidence that he complained about the video ref, the $pringbok supporters believe it was true and it influenced the TMO.

Neither coaches covered themselves with glory it seems.

I think also most of us are quite familiar with Gatland at this point, we know he likes to play games in the media and we know his tendency to get his teams playing boring Gatlandball, so his shit on and off the field is less surprising to us than Rassie's.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:47 am

laurent wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:17 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:02 am Half our Springboks play up North anyways. If we play in the 6 Nations those NH clubs will benefit.

Sadly the NH posters on here have lost real rugby culture and sportsmanship.

We can add a lot of value

Sportmanship from the Saffa

The kind Jeff Tordeau got ?
The kind David Bory got ?

Fuck off.

The first thing we do is to congrats the winning team supporters.

It's something we grow up with. War on the field, friends off the field.

You must try it.

I'll smash your face to the price of 53 stitches ...

then I'll shake hands right ?

Sportmanship is bollox coming from a safa (or a brit for that matter)

laurent wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:22 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:47 am

laurent wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:17 am

Sportmanship from the Saffa

The kind Jeff Tordeau got ?
The kind David Bory got ?

Fuck off.

The first thing we do is to congrats the winning team supporters.

It's something we grow up with. War on the field, friends off the field.

You must try it.

I'll smash your face to the price of 53 stitches ...

then I'll shake hands right ?

Sportmanship is bollox coming from a safa (or a brit for that matter)

Always thought we inherent wine making, rugby & sportsmanship from the French.

laurent wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:22 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:47 am

laurent wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:17 am

Sportmanship from the Saffa

The kind Jeff Tordeau got ?
The kind David Bory got ?

Fuck off.

The first thing we do is to congrats the winning team supporters.

It's something we grow up with. War on the field, friends off the field.

You must try it.

I'll smash your face to the price of 53 stitches ...

then I'll shake hands right ?

Sportmanship is bollox coming from a safa (or a brit for that matter)

This from a team that very recently went for an early screaming charge down on Farrell's kick

France

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:13 am

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:29 am Don't want the world champion Boks because they play "boring" rugby.

But ok with Italy shipping hundreds of points every tournament for the last 20 years.

we'll join it if we want to. And if we do, we will win it in our first year.

This post encapsulates exactly why you are not welcome.

Plenty of the rugby in the 6N is turgid, boring crap. Some is also very good.

But all of that is secondary to the history, the friendly rivalry, the meeting up with mates, the friendships you make with other supporters that last for decades, the jumping on a train, or plane for an hour, and having an unforgettable weekend in Paris, Dublin, Rome, Edinburgh, Cardiff.

You lot don't get it, and would devalue the whole thing. No thanks.

The big thing for me about the 6N that including SA, and to a lesser extent Georgia would lose on is the travelling crowd. Sure there are a lot of ex pats in the UK but the 6N has always had and will hopefully continue to have a large amount of both sets of fans at each game.

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:09 pm After the Lions tour and RC in tatters maybe it's time that SA Rugby get us in the tournament as soon as possible.

The URC will be a good trial run

I am hoping that fails at the first hurdle to be honest. The set up has too many similarities to when Super Rugby jumped the shark.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:07 am

Chilli wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:14 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:53 am

Vanishingly few people want that.

Most of us just want the 6 Nations to carry on being a tournament for the 6 best teams in Europe. Even with their relative shiteness, that includes Italy. There are other test windows to play other teams.

To your other post which quoted mine, I think the most withering critcism about Rassie has related to his off field shenanigans and those certainly don't change any views on wanting to maintain our European tournament as it is.

The 6N is a European Tournament steeped in History, I understand you not wanting to change that.

Regarding Rassie and his "shenanigans", as far as we know he sent hat video to World Rugby because he couldn't get the time of day from them regarding the first test. There is no proof that he leaked it to the media.
Same for Gatland. There is no direct evidence that he complained about the video ref, the $pringbok supporters believe it was true and it influenced the TMO.

Neither coaches covered themselves with glory it seems.

I think also most of us are quite familiar with Gatland at this point, we know he likes to play games in the media and we know his tendency to get his teams playing boring Gatlandball, so his shit on and off the field is less surprising to us than Rassie's.

Yip.

sorCrer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:38 am

laurent wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:22 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:47 am

The first thing we do is to congrats the winning team supporters.

It's something we grow up with. War on the field, friends off the field.

You must try it.

I'll smash your face to the price of 53 stitches ...

then I'll shake hands right ?

Sportmanship is bollox coming from a safa (or a brit for that matter)

This from a team that very recently went for an early screaming charge down on Farrell's kick

Now that's a really idiotic comparison!

Absolutely zero interest in the Boks joining the 6N. Miserable rugby, miserable fans, devalues the World Cup, creates an odd numbered tournament and adds in travelling half way around the world which realistically I'm never going to do as a fan. Should be a non-starter.

Italy remains a weak link for the comp and we need to find a way of strengthening them up for the long term. Wouldn't be averse to them sitting a few out and learning how to win against worse opposition and loaning say Fiji the spot.