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Slick wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:59 pm

C69 wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:55 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:54 pm

The ambassador is clearly upset but Burley wants to make a point about not going too hard in Gaza. She does a shit job amd everyone pretty much agrees with that

Burley is a piece of shit

So is the Ambassador to be fair

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:49 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:19 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:20 pm Irishers: Tech Gemma fucked Couldn't happen to a nicer prick

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/202 ... -comments/

Politics and business doesn't mix.

Word from a mate is his previous pronouncements and Anti establishment pirate flag populist pro Russian cock nobbling has been circulated amongst the SMT's of many tech firms. Only took them years

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:29 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:27 pm intransigent
/ɪnˈtrɑːnsɪdʒənt,ɪnˈtransɪdʒənt/
adjective
unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something.



I don't think I've witnessed any issue where the intransigence is so strong on both sides. Every single thing the Israeli ambassador said in that interview I've heard said by the militant Palestinian side at some point over the years and decades.

This is different this time. This is more shocking to Israelis than anything since the Shoah

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:06 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:34 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:29 pm

This is different this time. This is more shocking to Israelis than anything since the Shoah

The current events are probably pretty shocking to the Palestinians too.

My point is that this only likely to harden the intransigence on both sides.

I honestly don't have answers, who the fuck does?

I just don't think that what is happening right now is an answer, it won't end here, it will only escalate.

My view is its beyond that point now. We are in an out and out war situation now. I mentioned Sri Lanka earlier in the thread but there was a situation were eventually they decided to go all in and destroy the Tamil Tigers after decades of resistance. Never had the cachet of the Palestinians but very similar really. The US have had the Israelis on a leash forever but I suspect the current geopolitical situation with Russia might have changed that. Could get terribly messy and Iran is going to have its doors busted open. Qatar likes money and shit so can they pivot? Very difficult for them and I could see Qatar as a place disappearing.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:00 am Israel stepping back is the solution so its the Jews fault again. My bollox. That's some sort of mental default position for so many on the left. I would lean left myself on many issues but on this fuck no. Why the fuck should Israel back down. They should go in there and fuck Hamas and all their rapey little fuckers up good. That's what I would want if I lived there.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:27 pm https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67175094

So this is the plan c69. Pretty monumental tbf and probably what the UN should have expected. They have spent years goading the Israelis and here we are

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:36 am

Uncle fester wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:13 am

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:27 pm https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67175094

So this is the plan c69. Pretty monumental tbf and probably what the UN should have expected. They have spent years goading the Israelis and here we are

Well it wouldn't be so bad if they lifted the blockade.

Blockade + "end all responsibility for life in Gaza" is like something from about 70 years ago.

Support their enemy? Are you mad. Qatar and Iran and Hamas and by extension the Palestinian people, that's how it works, have pledged to wipe them off the map. Why in fucks name would they make it easier to get arms into Gaza? That would be utterly retarded. Your problem is cultural Anti semitism, as with many in this bored. Your anti Jewishness is so ingrained in you after generations that you don't even feel it any more. It's just a reflex action whenever anything happens that involves Israel. No other state that had been repeatedly attacked by multiple neighbours and just had children killed and women raped and spat on would illicit this response unless the person responding had something wrong in the wiring in their brain. I don't want you to use your cultural anti semitism as an excuse but rather acknowledge its there.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:36 am

Uncle fester wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:13 am

EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:27 pm https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67175094

So this is the plan c69. Pretty monumental tbf and probably what the UN should have expected. They have spent years goading the Israelis and here we are

Well it wouldn't be so bad if they lifted the blockade.

Blockade + "end all responsibility for life in Gaza" is like something from about 70 years ago.

Support their enemy? Are you mad. Qatar and Iran and Hamas and by extension the Palestinian people, that's how it works, have pledged to wipe them off the map. Why in fucks name would they make it easier to get arms into Gaza? That would be utterly retarded. Your problem is cultural Anti semitism, as with many in this bored. Your anti Jewishness is so ingrained in you after generations that you don't even feel it any more. It's just a reflex action whenever anything happens that involves Israel. No other state that had been repeatedly attacked by multiple neighbours and just had children killed and women raped and spat on would illicit this response unless the person responding had something wrong in the wiring in their brain. I don't want you to use your cultural anti semitism as an excuse but rather acknowledge its there.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:51 am That I believe Anti semitism is deeply ingrained in Western Judeo Chistian culture. That's hardly a groundbreaking theory. Calling it cultural Anti semitism is something I made up but I very much doubt it is my phrase. You and Fester and most posters will have grown up in an environment where Jews were actively or passively othered from an extremely young age. Think of Mel's Jew in the Passion. We all grew up with that either actively or passively. That's a fact

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:51 am That I believe Anti semitism is deeply ingrained in Western Judeo Chistian culture. That's hardly a groundbreaking theory. Calling it cultural Anti semitism is something I made up but I very much doubt it is my phrase. You and Fester and most posters will have grown up in an environment where Jews were actively or passively othered from an extremely young age. Think of Mel's Jew in the Passion. We all grew up with that either actively or passively. That's a fact

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:36 am

Uncle fester wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:31 am I'm going to politely ask you to withdraw that.

Not a chance. It's not even remotely controversial. Definitely got a few knickers in a knot though. I just Google ingrained patterns of anti semitism and whoooooosh it's all there

petej wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:28 am

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:36 am

Uncle fester wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:13 am

Well it wouldn't be so bad if they lifted the blockade.

Blockade + "end all responsibility for life in Gaza" is like something from about 70 years ago.

Support their enemy? Are you mad. Qatar and Iran and Hamas and by extension the Palestinian people, that's how it works, have pledged to wipe them off the map. Why in fucks name would they make it easier to get arms into Gaza? That would be utterly retarded. Your problem is cultural Anti semitism, as with many in this bored. Your anti Jewishness is so ingrained in you after generations that you don't even feel it any more. It's just a reflex action whenever anything happens that involves Israel. No other state that had been repeatedly attacked by multiple neighbours and just had children killed and women raped and spat on would illicit this response unless the person responding had something wrong in the wiring in their brain. I don't want you to use your cultural anti semitism as an excuse but rather acknowledge its there.

You've stepped well over multiple marks. No nuance at all. That you knew nothing of Netanyahu's unpopularity said a lot. A reminder to you that you come from a mostly secular society.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:51 am That I believe Anti semitism is deeply ingrained in Western Judeo Chistian culture. That's hardly a groundbreaking theory. Calling it cultural Anti semitism is something I made up but I very much doubt it is my phrase. You and Fester and most posters will have grown up in an environment where Jews were actively or passively othered from an extremely young age. Think of Mel's Jew in the Passion. We all grew up with that either actively or passively. That's a fact

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:52 am You have a deep misunderstanding of a cultural.code if you think it only comes from your family. Anyway I am right and you are wrong. We'll leave it at that

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:43 am Everyone's favourite climate activist got dogpiled online for having an Octopus plush toy (which, as an aspie, she uses to communicate feelings) in a photo of her pledging support for gaza.

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Apparently, Nazi propaganda used to liken Jewish control of institutions to tentacles and therefore cephalopods, even cute toys, are Verboten!


If this isn't a perfect distillation of how ridiculous the discourse around the conflict has become, I don't know what is.

Raggs wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:49 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:43 am Everyone's favourite climate activist got dogpiled online for having an Octopus plush toy (which, as an aspie, she uses to communicate feelings) in a photo of her pledging support for gaza.

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Apparently, Nazi propaganda used to liken Jewish control of institutions to tentacles and therefore cephalopods, even cute toys, are Verboten!


If this isn't a perfect distillation of how ridiculous the discourse around the conflict has become, I don't know what is.

I don't believe she knew about it before, but if someone else suggested putting it there I'd be suspicious of them. Has she had a plushie in any other photo? Are the signs not a pretty explicit expression of how she feels?

It's a dog whistle to those that recognise it. Like integrating the numbers 8, 18 or 88 into messages. Commonly used in tweets etc and having eight words in the final sentence. Most people wouldn't even think to count it, even many of those that do would put it down to chance, but those neo Nazis would read something very different in it.

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:15 am Obviously people are on higher alert than normal at the moment, but there's more than enough depressingly overt nonsense out there without needing to project onto cuddly toys. It seems the kind of stretch one really needs to limber up for.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:40 pm

C69 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:48 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:15 am Obviously people are on higher alert than normal at the moment, but there's more than enough depressingly overt nonsense out there without needing to project onto cuddly toys. It seems the kind of stretch one really needs to limber up for.

What a load of shit. She is literally sitting next to someone who states they are Jewish.

Fecking madness

For what it's worth I don't believe she would be that careless. She likes her little jokes

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm This is all a smokescreen. What is a climate activist doing supporting an Iranian proxy? Look at the guy I posted earlier from Web Summit https://www.thejournal.ie/amazon-web-su ... 4-Oct2023/

He has been up to his neck in Russian dodginess for an age. The only mystery is it has taken this long to catch up with him. Who is giving it the loudest in his favour online? Chay Bowes an Irish guy who has been a Russian stooge for ages. A 'disrupter' trying to bring down the established political order/Russian supported wanker. If you can't see you are giving succor to Russia with all this Greta well you and your octopus can go fuck yourself

Ymx wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:34 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:40 pm

C69 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:48 am
What a load of shit. She is literally sitting next to someone who states they are Jewish.

Fecking madness

For what it's worth I don't believe she would be that careless. She likes her little jokes

Claims of being naive are ridiculous. Even if before the photo shoot, she genuinely did not. How exactly would there be any way she didn’t question why do we have an octopus prop on my seat, next to my shoulder?

Those also suggesting it’s about her Autism

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:49 pm

C69 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:36 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm This is all a smokescreen. What is a climate activist doing supporting an Iranian proxy? Look at the guy I posted earlier from Web Summit https://www.thejournal.ie/amazon-web-su ... 4-Oct2023/

He has been up to his neck in Russian dodginess for an age. The only mystery is it has taken this long to catch up with him. Who is giving it the loudest in his favour online? Chay Bowes an Irish guy who has been a Russian stooge for ages. A 'disrupter' trying to bring down the established political order/Russian supported wanker. If you can't see you are giving succor to Russia with all this Greta well you and your octopus can go fuck yourself

Only one side is going to win the propaganda war.
Greta is not on that side and her ill advised pic op will haunt her.

Depends on where you are. In Ireland you could post any sorts of Hamas atrocities or cheering Palestinians and they will still support them

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:59 pm

C69 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:55 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:49 pm

Depends on where you are. In Ireland you could post any sorts of Hamas atrocities or cheering Palestinians and they will still support them

Well thankfully I know nobody that supports Hamas or their slaughterous terrorist ilk.
Or the IDF and their vile collective punishment of millions of civilians as defined by the UN.

There it is again. The millions. The billions. The quadrillions. TheIDF are going after Hamas. This isn't Dresden

Ymx wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:43 am

petej wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:28 am

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:36 am

Support their enemy? Are you mad. Qatar and Iran and Hamas and by extension the Palestinian people, that's how it works, have pledged to wipe them off the map. Why in fucks name would they make it easier to get arms into Gaza? That would be utterly retarded. Your problem is cultural Anti semitism, as with many in this bored. Your anti Jewishness is so ingrained in you after generations that you don't even feel it any more. It's just a reflex action whenever anything happens that involves Israel. No other state that had been repeatedly attacked by multiple neighbours and just had children killed and women raped and spat on would illicit this response unless the person responding had something wrong in the wiring in their brain. I don't want you to use your cultural anti semitism as an excuse but rather acknowledge its there.

You've stepped well over multiple marks. No nuance at all. That you knew nothing of Netanyahu's unpopularity said a lot. A reminder to you that you come from a mostly secular society.

I think that was me questioning Netanyahu's unpopularity.

We centrist's all look the same to you !!

I had explicitly clarified I was asking about his popularity in reference to his reaction to Hamas. Not the general view on his previous politics. Because that is how the statement by you or another had read. That he was unpopular for the way he reacted to the terrorist invasion.

I hope you’re ok with me using the word terrorist, btw.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:46 pm

sefton wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:20 am I remember as a young and shallow member of staff standing with my jaw hanging open as a deputy head stood in front of an assembly and said ‘the Jews, or as I prefer to call them, Christ killers’. Long memories in the RC church.

I had that overt Anti semitism in my upbringing in school as well. I remember as a kid being able to connect the contradictions specifically around Jews as money lenders. This was held up as an example of their immorality and usary in all forms.was evil. It even gave us a violent passionate Jesus as he cleansed rhe Jewish temple with his righteousness. I remember two things struck me. Everyone was Jewish so the people getting loans where Jewish. The poor were Jewish. The lepers were Jweish. I also thought the Ireland of the time had a limited number of pillars that held it all up, or supposedly so. The priests, the Gardai, teachers, farmers and you guessed it bankers. So if the lads in my class had parents who were bankers maybe it's not the fucking Jews fault after all. It's just humans being fuck heads

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:47 am Well I don’t think it’s accurate or helpful to suggest that anyone hoping for a ceasefire and an alternative to war is by definition antisemitic.

The thread has become useless at that point.

Raggs wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:37 pm

Now that's a brave journalist!

petej wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:15 pm

Ymx wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:43 am

petej wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:28 am
You've stepped well over multiple marks. No nuance at all. That you knew nothing of Netanyahu's unpopularity said a lot. A reminder to you that you come from a mostly secular society.

I think that was me questioning Netanyahu's unpopularity.

We centrist's all look the same to you !!

I had explicitly clarified I was asking about his popularity in reference to his reaction to Hamas. Not the general view on his previous politics. Because that is how the statement by you or another had read. That he was unpopular for the way he reacted to the terrorist invasion.

I hope you’re ok with me using the word terrorist, btw.

They are terrorists and i have no issue with that label. I wouldn't presume anyone who criticises Israel is an anti-semite and/or that they would support Hamas. Have you considered part of the reason i might expect more from Israel is because i regard them as a developed (historically) democratic nation? I've not criticised the response by Israel just depressed by the continuation of this religious conflict and the waste of life. I can't really see an end to it.

I have bugger all time for all of the gulf kingdoms/dictatorships and looking forward to the end of the reliance on fossil fuels because it diminishes their power (Russia's as well) and am well aware of the extreme forms of Islam they push and terrorism they fund (including this case). I am also very aware of the money going into UK politics to the Tories from these pricks in recent times and the sporting assets they have bought. The same pricks who fund Man City fund Hamas and i don't watch that rotten entity much like i didn't watch matches featuring the disgusting Chelsea (who really should have been asset stripped and made an example of). What i've noticed with Russia and other shitty regimes is they like to fund arseholes regardless of right or left leanings. They just fund whoever is going to cause most damage and let them get away with shit.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:46 pm

sefton wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:20 am I remember as a young and shallow member of staff standing with my jaw hanging open as a deputy head stood in front of an assembly and said ‘the Jews, or as I prefer to call them, Christ killers’. Long memories in the RC church.

I had that overt Anti semitism in my upbringing in school as well. I remember as a kid being able to connect the contradictions specifically around Jews as money lenders. This was held up as an example of their immorality and usary in all forms.was evil. It even gave us a violent passionate Jesus as he cleansed rhe Jewish temple with his righteousness. I remember two things struck me. Everyone was Jewish so the people getting loans where Jewish. The poor were Jewish. The lepers were Jweish. I also thought the Ireland of the time had a limited number of pillars that held it all up, or supposedly so. The priests, the Gardai, teachers, farmers and you guessed it bankers. So if the lads in my class had parents who were bankers maybe it's not the fucking Jews fault after all. It's just humans being fuck heads

None of my schools were like that. I wrongly assumed you had a more secular education. I did resent being forced to do Religious Education at GCSE as it lacked any questioning of religion and was the only class i was repeatedly kicked out of due to finding offensive sections in the old testament, asking why priests molested children and asking if Saddam Hussein was a good muslim but mostly i was just pissed off i couldn't do a subject i wanted to do.

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:43 am Everyone's favourite climate activist got dogpiled online for having an Octopus plush toy (which, as an aspie, she uses to communicate feelings) in a photo of her pledging support for gaza.

Spoiler

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Apparently, Nazi propaganda used to liken Jewish control of institutions to tentacles and therefore cephalopods, even cute toys, are Verboten!


If this isn't a perfect distillation of how ridiculous the discourse around the conflict has become, I don't know what is.

Calculon wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:34 am Tbf holding a "stand with Gaza" sign not long after the Government of Gaza committed the most barbaric atrocities, and are still holding hundreds of hostages, is an utter cuntish thing to do.

C69 wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:50 am

Calculon wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 3:34 am Tbf holding a "stand with Gaza" sign not long after the Government of Gaza committed the most barbaric atrocities, and are still holding hundreds of hostages, is an utter cuntish thing to do.

So holding an Israeli flag etc after the siege of Gaza and thousands slaughtered in rocket attacks could be considered by many to exactly the same.
What's the death score at the moment.
A life is a life an Israeli life is as previous as a Palestinian life
The losers are the ordinary people caught up in this cluster fuck.