NPR

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:02 pm**

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:45 pm
dpedin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:38 pm
robmatic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:33 pm

OK, how am I misunderstanding them?
Careful you dont get dragged down the Bimbotwat rabbit hole ... before you know it you'll be arguing about the Gates/Soros conspiracy and how microsoft are tracking how many times you are going to the loo!

As usual the ad hominem/misrepresentation of views to avoid actual thinking , I see how you enjoy nationalist policy in Scotland so much.

Waiting for answer to Robmatic's question.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:20 pm**

The only workable plan to properly reopen the economy relies on tight controls at the border.

Once the vast majority of the population is vaccinated, the risk then becomes new variants making that vaccine programme weaker. Until the rest of the world achieves the level of vaccination we have domestically, new variants will occur very regularly., The only way to prevent them coming in to the country is to stop people at the border.

The current UK government will not at this point commit to this, which is why they won't publish a roadmap. There's no other practical way to protect the population over the medium to long term.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:20 pm**

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:50 pm
When the virus first emerged there wasn't lots known about its level or routes of transmission, Gov initial reaction was to treat it like the flu, which is very different. Mistakes were made. We are still learning and hence all the latest research emerging on aerosol transmission and the need to focus on things like ventilation systems. Poor ventilation is a key factor for pubs and restaurants remaining shut. Hospital transmission is however coming down, certainly up here in Scotland, given we have focused on vaccinating all front line health and social care staff and emerging evidence is showing that if vaccinated then far less likely to transmit the virus. However the continued need for high levels of infection control and use of PPE etc means demand on beds, space and staff is still very, very high.
Make sure you don’t get dragged into an argument about conjecture presented as facts like his stuff above.

Show me the stats on Scottish hospital infections falling as a % of total infections for example .....

Of course a successful vaccine slows transmission, why would that even be in doubt.

'Of course a successful vaccine slows transmission, why would that even be in doubt'. Probably because we don't know yet? It is not necessarily a given, as much as we would like it to be, particularly with new strains of the virus emerging. As I said we hope that is the case but await emerging evidence. In the interim wear a mask, socially distance, follow lock down, etc. I think it is called following the science?

See below from AP article a week or so ago.

'The makers of all three vaccines have said that their shots proved to be anywhere from 70% to 95% effective in clinical trials in protecting people from illness caused by the virus. But it was unclear whether the vaccines could also suppress transmission of the virus — that is, whether someone inoculated could still acquire the virus without getting sick and spread it to others.

As a result, experts have been saying that even people who have been vaccinated should continue to wear masks and keep their distance from others.

Volunteers in the British study underwent regular nasal swabs to check for the coronavirus, a proxy to try to answer the transmission question. The level of virus-positive swabs — combining volunteers who had asymptomatic infection with those who had symptoms — was 67% lower in the vaccinated group, the researchers reported.

While not a direct measure, “that’s got to have a really beneficial effect on transmission,” Oxford lead researcher Sarah Gilbert told a meeting of the New York Academy of Sciences Wednesday.'

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:10 pm**

^
Masks : absolutely

Last week NBC had a panel of 6 infectious diseases and epidemiology doctors, they all said that even after getting the vaccine, they’ll still wear a mask in public places and won’t go to indoor restaurants.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:23 pm**

Bot post count on this thread is ramping up again.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:24 pm**

dpedin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:20 pm
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:50 pm
When the virus first emerged there wasn't lots known about its level or routes of transmission, Gov initial reaction was to treat it like the flu, which is very different. Mistakes were made. We are still learning and hence all the latest research emerging on aerosol transmission and the need to focus on things like ventilation systems. Poor ventilation is a key factor for pubs and restaurants remaining shut. Hospital transmission is however coming down, certainly up here in Scotland, given we have focused on vaccinating all front line health and social care staff and emerging evidence is showing that if vaccinated then far less likely to transmit the virus. However the continued need for high levels of infection control and use of PPE etc means demand on beds, space and staff is still very, very high.
Make sure you don’t get dragged into an argument about conjecture presented as facts like his stuff above.

Show me the stats on Scottish hospital infections falling as a % of total infections for example .....

Of course a successful vaccine slows transmission, why would that even be in doubt.

'Of course a successful vaccine slows transmission, why would that even be in doubt'. Probably because we don't know yet? It is not necessarily a given, as much as we would like it to be, particularly with new strains of the virus emerging. As I said we hope that is the case but await emerging evidence. In the interim wear a mask, socially distance, follow lock down, etc. I think it is called following the science?

See below from AP article a week or so ago.

'The makers of all three vaccines have said that their shots proved to be anywhere from 70% to 95% effective in clinical trials in protecting people from illness caused by the virus. But it was unclear whether the vaccines could also suppress transmission of the virus — that is, whether someone inoculated could still acquire the virus without getting sick and spread it to others.

As a result, experts have been saying that even people who have been vaccinated should continue to wear masks and keep their distance from others.

Volunteers in the British study underwent regular nasal swabs to check for the coronavirus, a proxy to try to answer the transmission question. The level of virus-positive swabs — combining volunteers who had asymptomatic infection with those who had symptoms — was 67% lower in the vaccinated group, the researchers reported.

While not a direct measure, “that’s got to have a really beneficial effect on transmission,” Oxford lead researcher Sarah Gilbert told a meeting of the New York Academy of Sciences Wednesday.'

Most vaccines provide only "effective" immunity. In other words you still catch the virus, but either are completely asymptomatic or recover very rapidly. So far all vaccines only appear to offer this level of immunity, as opposed to "sterilising immunity" which prevents you from being infected in the first place. It's the erosion of sterilising immunity which was reported in the press when they spoke of antibodies fading away 90 days post-infection.

It's believed that currently asymptomatic cases of Covid19 are less transmissible than symptomatic, presumably based on viral loads - but to the best of my knowledge this has not yet been proven for Covid19. It's therefore theorised that a vaccinated individual who still becomes a carrier, will also be less transmissible. That's definitely not proven yet, as it's not really possible to test this during Phase 3 - this forms part of the long term monitoring following the deployment of any vaccine in Phase 4.

It's extremely likely that that will be the case with Covid19., but there is an unquantifiable level of doubt until we have evidence. Making assumptions without evidence is how you really do end up in trouble when dealing with a global epidemic.
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Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:28 pm**

Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:10 pm ^
Masks : absolutely

Last week NBC had a panel of 6 infectious diseases and epidemiology doctors, they all said that even after getting the vaccine, they’ll still wear a mask in public places and won’t go to indoor restaurants.

I really do think masks will be a necessity for the whole of this calendar year at least until it's been shown that transmission rates have fallen to effectively zero even when you would expect the rate to start increasing again around September/October time.

Facemask in airports and other transportation venues will likely now be a thing globally, rather than just the Far East, probably permanently (not so much legal enforcement, more general public expectation)

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:28 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:24 pm
It's extremely likely that that will be the case with Covid19., but there is an unquantifiable level of doubt until we have evidence. Making assumptions without evidence is how you really do end up in trouble when dealing with a global epidemic.

Yeah, but it's Mum's 63rd birthday in March and we want to have a party.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:39 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:28 pm
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:10 pm ^
Masks : absolutely

Last week NBC had a panel of 6 infectious diseases and epidemiology doctors, they all said that even after getting the vaccine, they’ll still wear a mask in public places and won’t go to indoor restaurants.
I really do think masks will be a necessity for the whole of this calendar year at least until it's been shown that transmission rates have fallen to effectively zero even when you would expect the rate to start increasing again around September/October time.

Facemask in airports and other transportation venues will likely now be a thing globally, rather than just the Far East, probably permanently (not so much legal enforcement, more general public expectation)

Reintroducing vaccine passports globally for me is a must as well.
No vaccine no entry signes everywhere unless you have an official waiver

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:47 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:39 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:28 pm
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:10 pm ^
Masks : absolutely

Last week NBC had a panel of 6 infectious diseases and epidemiology doctors, they all said that even after getting the vaccine, they’ll still wear a mask in public places and won’t go to indoor restaurants.
I really do think masks will be a necessity for the whole of this calendar year at least until it's been shown that transmission rates have fallen to effectively zero even when you would expect the rate to start increasing again around September/October time.

Facemask in airports and other transportation venues will likely now be a thing globally, rather than just the Far East, probably permanently (not so much legal enforcement, more general public expectation)
Reintroducing vaccine passports globally for me is a must as well.
No vaccine no entry signes everywhere unless you have an official waiver

Yeah, I suspect so. Thing was, even when you were supposed to have your Yellow Fever (or whatever) vaccination to get into some countries I don't recall immigration actually checking the stamp - but I suspect that there will be some sort of digital vaccine certificate scheme that you can attach to your pre-entry ESTA/ETA will be the way forward - so you're effectively denied boarding without pre-approval

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:56 pm**

When I've entered countries requiring vaccines (yellow fever I think was the only one), they have asked for it.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:01 pm**

Looks like 240kish jabs recorded yesterday.

This week the leaked Scottish data indicate only 83k Pfizer (no AZ) vaccines will be supplied to Scotland (but presumably many of both still in fridges/freezers) so its reasonable to extrapolate there wont be a huge amount of vaccinations taking place across the UK over the next few days.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:10 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:47 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:39 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:28 pm

I really do think masks will be a necessity for the whole of this calendar year at least until it's been shown that transmission rates have fallen to effectively zero even when you would expect the rate to start increasing again around September/October time.

Facemask in airports and other transportation venues will likely now be a thing globally, rather than just the Far East, probably permanently (not so much legal enforcement, more general public expectation)
Reintroducing vaccine passports globally for me is a must as well.
No vaccine no entry signes everywhere unless you have an official waiver
Yeah, I suspect so. Thing was, even when you were supposed to have your Yellow Fever (or whatever) vaccination to get into some countries I don't recall immigration actually checking the stamp - but I suspect that there will be some sort of digital vaccine certificate scheme that you can attach to your pre-entry ESTA/ETA will be the way forward - so you're effectively denied boarding without pre-approval

I really hope so for safety sake.
The added bonus obviously being it will piss off those selfish anti vaccer bastards that refuse

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:12 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:39 pm
No vaccine no entry signs everywhere unless you have an official waiver

Why a waiver? What would the reason be?

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:13 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:23 pm Bot post count on this thread is ramping up again.

I've put it on ignore - it fucks up every thread he goes on with its' idiotic lock down denier' agenda and disinegenous posts. He and Dozy have made the PR thread unreadable - he'll end up doing the same here.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:17 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:12 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:39 pm
No vaccine no entry signs everywhere unless you have an official waiver
Why a waiver? What would the reason be?

Immunocompromised people will be one

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:19 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:10 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:47 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:39 pm

Reintroducing vaccine passports globally for me is a must as well.
No vaccine no entry signes everywhere unless you have an official waiver
Yeah, I suspect so. Thing was, even when you were supposed to have your Yellow Fever (or whatever) vaccination to get into some countries I don't recall immigration actually checking the stamp - but I suspect that there will be some sort of digital vaccine certificate scheme that you can attach to your pre-entry ESTA/ETA will be the way forward - so you're effectively denied boarding without pre-approval
I really hope so for safety sake.
The added bonus obviously being it will piss off those selfish anti vaccer bastards that refuse

There'll be a huge outcry against doing that, within the UK - especially from the right wing types, probably from the avid lefties as well - But I imagine that many countries will protect their borders with such a policy - I would hope that we will.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:21 pm**

Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:17 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:12 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:39 pm
No vaccine no entry signs everywhere unless you have an official waiver
Why a waiver? What would the reason be?
Immunocompromised people will be one

Why ? my immune system is compromised by drugs I take - NHS strongly recommends I get vaccines for Flu, Pneumonia and Covid.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:26 pm**

Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:17 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:12 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:39 pm
No vaccine no entry signs everywhere unless you have an official waiver
Why a waiver? What would the reason be?
Immunocompromised people will be one

Then stay out of airports.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:40 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:26 pm
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:17 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:12 pm

Why a waiver? What would the reason be?
Immunocompromised people will be one
Then stay out of airports.

I’ve no dog in this fight but sounds like you are a douche-bag.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:41 pm**

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:19 pm
C69 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:10 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:47 pm
Yeah, I suspect so. Thing was, even when you were supposed to have your Yellow Fever (or whatever) vaccination to get into some countries I don't recall immigration actually checking the stamp - but I suspect that there will be some sort of digital vaccine certificate scheme that you can attach to your pre-entry ESTA/ETA will be the way forward - so you're effectively denied boarding without pre-approval
I really hope so for safety sake.
The added bonus obviously being it will piss off those selfish anti vaccer bastards that refuse
There'll be a huge outcry against doing that, within the UK - especially from the right wing types, probably from the avid lefties as well - But I imagine that many countries will protect their borders with such a policy - I would hope that we will.

I can say with 100% certainty that Canada would introduce a policy like that. The required my wife to take a private health assessment just because she told the truth on her ETA and said that she'd treated a patient with TB inside the previous 12 months. I would imagine that most 1st world countries in particular will require something like this. So we're going to need one to handle international travel, even if we won't be enforcing it for entry to the UK.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:42 pm**

Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:40 pm I’ve no dog in this fight but sounds like you are a douche-bag.

No doubt.

However a immuno-compromised person wouldn't want me in their car if I had swine flu. So I feel the same about them in my Economy section.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:02 pm**

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:20 pm The only workable plan to properly reopen the economy relies on tight controls at the border.

Once the vast majority of the population is vaccinated, the risk then becomes new variants making that vaccine programme weaker. Until the rest of the world achieves the level of vaccination we have domestically, new variants will occur very regularly., The only way to prevent them coming in to the country is to stop people at the border.

The current UK government will not at this point commit to this, which is why they won't publish a roadmap. There's no other practical way to protect the population over the medium to long term.

The rest of the world will never achieve that level of vaccination. You'll never get to leave your country in that case.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:12 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:42 pm
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:40 pm I’ve no dog in this fight but sounds like you are a douche-bag.
No doubt.

However a immuno-compromised person wouldn't want me in their car if I had swine flu. So I feel the same about them in my Economy section.

I wouldn't worry - immuno suppressed are more likely to have the vax, not less.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:17 pm**

240K vaccinations delivered yesterday

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:40 pm**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:28 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:24 pm
It's extremely likely that that will be the case with Covid19., but there is an unquantifiable level of doubt until we have evidence. Making assumptions without evidence is how you really do end up in trouble when dealing with a global epidemic.

Yeah, but it's Mum's 63rd birthday in March and we want to have a party.

I hear those Ghanaian pall bearers put on a fine show.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:01 pm**

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:02 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:20 pm The only workable plan to properly reopen the economy relies on tight controls at the border.

Once the vast majority of the population is vaccinated, the risk then becomes new variants making that vaccine programme weaker. Until the rest of the world achieves the level of vaccination we have domestically, new variants will occur very regularly., The only way to prevent them coming in to the country is to stop people at the border.

The current UK government will not at this point commit to this, which is why they won't publish a roadmap. There's no other practical way to protect the population over the medium to long term.
The rest of the world will never achieve that level of vaccination. You'll never get to leave your country in that case.

Nah, people will be able to leave their country if they have enough money to pay to be vaccinated and have a certificate or whatever. It's not really an issue if the poor unvaccinated masses can't travel.

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:15 pm**

Vaccination still some way ahead for me it seems:

Based on your profile, you are in priority Group 8, and there are between 11,118,785 and 14,232,245 people in front of you in the queue for a first dose of COVID vaccine across the UK.
Given a vaccination rate of 3,073,167 a week and an uptake of 70.6%, you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 07/04/2021 and 21/04/2021.

You should then get your second dose by between 30/06/2021 and 14/07/2021.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/v ... -uk#atrisk

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:19 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:01 pm Looks like 240kish jabs recorded yesterday.

This week the leaked Scottish data indicate only 83k Pfizer (no AZ) vaccines will be supplied to Scotland (but presumably many of both still in fridges/freezers) so its reasonable to extrapolate there wont be a huge amount of vaccinations taking place across the UK over the next few days.

Warnings that the vaccination rate will slow down in Scotland for next few weeks due to lag in delivery of AZ vaccine. However the contract is apparently due to be delivered by agreed end date so there should be speeding up once supply issue sorted.

Interestingly Wales, NI and Scotland are all now delivering the 1st vaccine at a far faster rate now than England. The vaccination rate in England seems to have fallen and then levelled off for the past week or two whereas the devolved nations are now vaccinating at a higher rate. Is this a supply issue or a delivery issue? Perhaps, in light of his sarcastic comments of a few weeks ago, they should offer to help the Blonde Bumbelcunt sort out his problems in vaccine delivery? Perhaps we can send in the Welsh Guards or the Scottish Guards to help out?

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:24 pm**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:15 pm Vaccination still some way ahead for me it seems:

Based on your profile, you are in priority Group 8, and there are between 11,118,785 and 14,232,245 people in front of you in the queue for a first dose of COVID vaccine across the UK.
Given a vaccination rate of 3,073,167 a week and an uptake of 70.6%, you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 07/04/2021 and 21/04/2021.

You should then get your second dose by between 30/06/2021 and 14/07/2021.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/v ... -uk#atrisk

Even further for me (and most people tbf). Mrs Saint is quite annoyed - in her view household members of frontline staff need to be prioritised unless the vaccines prove to completely block transmission- otherwise we're just opening up households to infection. Not sure I agree, but she's pretty angry

Posted: **Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:35 pm**

dpedin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:19 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:01 pm Looks like 240kish jabs recorded yesterday.

This week the leaked Scottish data indicate only 83k Pfizer (no AZ) vaccines will be supplied to Scotland (but presumably many of both still in fridges/freezers) so its reasonable to extrapolate there wont be a huge amount of vaccinations taking place across the UK over the next few days.
Warnings that the vaccination rate will slow down in Scotland for next few weeks due to lag in delivery of AZ vaccine. However the contract is apparently due to be delivered by agreed end date so there should be speeding up once supply issue sorted.

Interestingly Wales, NI and Scotland are all now delivering the 1st vaccine at a far faster rate now than England. The vaccination rate in England seems to have fallen and then levelled off for the past week or two whereas the devolved nations are now vaccinating at a higher rate. Is this a supply issue or a delivery issue? Perhaps, in light of his sarcastic comments of a few weeks ago, they should offer to help the Blonde Bumbelcunt sort out his problems in vaccine delivery? Perhaps we can send in the Welsh Guards or the Scottish Guards to help out?

Given the number and scale of delivery centers being opened locally, this is supply. Really hard to tell as detail isn't being made publicly available, but my best guess is that delivery capacity in England has doubled over the last month while supply has more or less remained constant.

The next steps for UK supply are Novovax approval (and I can't even find clear evidence it's been submitted for MHRA approval) and the opening of the new Natiomal Vaccine Centre, which with a substantial injection of government cash has been brought forward to sometime this summer, presumably for AZ production initially(it'sbeendesignedto be multipurpose). Moderna deliveries are due to start early April as well.

There is an AZ facility supposedly churning out vaccine in the US - I believe that this is making up some EU shortfall with a chunk being withheld for US requirements, but I don't think it will ever be approved in the US while it's being sold at cost.

In short - we've run out of production capacity until new vaccines that can be manufactured in different facilities become available

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:17 am**

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:54 am**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:15 pm Vaccination still some way ahead for me it seems:

Based on your profile, you are in priority Group 8, and there are between 11,118,785 and 14,232,245 people in front of you in the queue for a first dose of COVID vaccine across the UK.
Given a vaccination rate of 3,073,167 a week and an uptake of 70.6%, you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 07/04/2021 and 21/04/2021.

You should then get your second dose by between 30/06/2021 and 14/07/2021.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/v ... -uk#atrisk

I think that's massively pessimistic - its looking like everyone over 50 will have at least on Jab before the end of March.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:00 am**

tc27 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:54 am
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:15 pm Vaccination still some way ahead for me it seems:

Based on your profile, you are in priority Group 8, and there are between 11,118,785 and 14,232,245 people in front of you in the queue for a first dose of COVID vaccine across the UK.
Given a vaccination rate of 3,073,167 a week and an uptake of 70.6%, you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 07/04/2021 and 21/04/2021.

You should then get your second dose by between 30/06/2021 and 14/07/2021.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/v ... -uk#atrisk
I think that's massively pessimistic - its looking like everyone over 50 will have at least on Jab before the end of March.

Omnicalculator is dealing with 2nd doses as well. Your tweet by it's own admission isn't

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:02 am**

Saint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:00 am
tc27 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:54 am
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:15 pm Vaccination still some way ahead for me it seems:

https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/v ... -uk#atrisk
I think that's massively pessimistic - its looking like everyone over 50 will have at least on Jab before the end of March.

Omnicalculator is dealing with 2nd doses as well. Your tweet by it's own admission isn't

Also, supply will be less the next few weeks.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:06 am**

dpedin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:19 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:01 pm Looks like 240kish jabs recorded yesterday.

This week the leaked Scottish data indicate only 83k Pfizer (no AZ) vaccines will be supplied to Scotland (but presumably many of both still in fridges/freezers) so its reasonable to extrapolate there wont be a huge amount of vaccinations taking place across the UK over the next few days.
Warnings that the vaccination rate will slow down in Scotland for next few weeks due to lag in delivery of AZ vaccine. However the contract is apparently due to be delivered by agreed end date so there should be speeding up once supply issue sorted.

Interestingly Wales, NI and Scotland are all now delivering the 1st vaccine at a far faster rate now than England. The vaccination rate in England seems to have fallen and then levelled off for the past week or two whereas the devolved nations are now vaccinating at a higher rate. Is this a supply issue or a delivery issue? Perhaps, in light of his sarcastic comments of a few weeks ago, they should offer to help the Blonde Bumbelcunt sort out his problems in vaccine delivery? Perhaps we can send in the Welsh Guards or the Scottish Guards to help out?

SO many moving parts its hard to tell but from what I hear capacity is getting better all the time so it has to be limits on supply. As supplies are split on a strict population basis I imagine in Scotland and NI there were many more vaccines sitting in Freezers and Fridges from January so have being able to vaccinate at full capacity in recent days.

TBH I think it was entirely legitimate for the opposition in Scotland to criticise the slow roll out in February as vaccinating as fast as possible is hugely important - and Scottish government MPs/Ministers and special advisors have no hesitated to try and make political points from the pandemic - what's good for the goose etc.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:14 am**

Omnicalculator is dealing with 2nd doses as well. Your tweet by it's own admission isn't

1. Second doses wont be a real issue until the second half of March
2. According to the leaked SG document the first two weeks of March are going to see a huge amount of vaccines supplied (approx. 460k per week in Scotland which extrapolates to about 4.7 million in England)
3. I have used that tool before for my parents and it was giving a likely time sometime in April - both had a jab last week,

Plus would add the Times is reporting everyone over 50 having at least one shot by March 24 is the governments internal target.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covi ... -kbqd233qn

• Everyone above 50 is set to be vaccinated by March 24, before the need to give second doses slows down the pace of the jabs, analysis by The Times shows.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:15 am**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:17 am

This doc was on the Stephen Nolan show one evening last week along with a Tory MP wanting to open up now and a mathematical epidemiologist who was a real tit, both were loud, male know-it-alls. Initially they spoke over her and told her she was wrong but then she gradually tore them both a new one as she knew all the evidence and gradually ripped their arguments to shreds! The mathematical epidemiologist started looking up her evidence on line during the show and then misquoting it back to her - she had to correct him live on radio which was slightly embarrassing! The Tory MP just disappeared off the discussion and Stephen Nolan ended up having a one-to-one with her. She knows her stuff inside out.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:26 am**

tc27 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:06 am
dpedin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:19 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:01 pm Looks like 240kish jabs recorded yesterday.

This week the leaked Scottish data indicate only 83k Pfizer (no AZ) vaccines will be supplied to Scotland (but presumably many of both still in fridges/freezers) so its reasonable to extrapolate there wont be a huge amount of vaccinations taking place across the UK over the next few days.
Warnings that the vaccination rate will slow down in Scotland for next few weeks due to lag in delivery of AZ vaccine. However the contract is apparently due to be delivered by agreed end date so there should be speeding up once supply issue sorted.

Interestingly Wales, NI and Scotland are all now delivering the 1st vaccine at a far faster rate now than England. The vaccination rate in England seems to have fallen and then levelled off for the past week or two whereas the devolved nations are now vaccinating at a higher rate. Is this a supply issue or a delivery issue? Perhaps, in light of his sarcastic comments of a few weeks ago, they should offer to help the Blonde Bumbelcunt sort out his problems in vaccine delivery? Perhaps we can send in the Welsh Guards or the Scottish Guards to help out?
SO many moving parts its hard to tell but from what I hear capacity is getting better all the time so it has to be limits on supply. As supplies are split on a strict population basis I imagine in Scotland and NI there were many more vaccines sitting in Freezers and Fridges from January so have being able to vaccinate at full capacity in recent days.

TBH I think it was entirely legitimate for the opposition in Scotland to criticise the slow roll out in February as vaccinating as fast as possible is hugely important - and Scottish government MPs/Ministers and special advisors have no hesitated to try and make political points from the pandemic - what's good for the goose etc.

I suppose my comment was too subtle? The UK Gov knew the Scottish plans in advance and that the schedule meant, that with the focus on delivering to the priority groups including the 80+ in the community the start would be slow but would ramp up quickly within weeks, exactly as we have seen. Scotland has now, after yesterdays numbers, delivered marginally more 1st jabs per head of population than England has and in last few days is doing about 40% more pro rata. Whilst all is fair in war and politics the point is that despite knowing this the Blonde Bumblecunt decided to create some degree of uncertainty and worry for the affected old folk in Scotland unnecessarily whilst knowing full well that what he was saying was just plain wrong. I am happy enough for them to play politics on a range of issues, its the name of the game, but for the BB to scare old folk during a national pandemic to score some petty political points this was not one of them.

Posted: **Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:37 am**

tc27 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:14 am
Omnicalculator is dealing with 2nd doses as well. Your tweet by it's own admission isn't
1. Second doses wont be a real issue until the second half of March
2. According to the leaked SG document the first two weeks of March are going to see a huge amount of vaccines supplied (approx. 460k per week in Scotland which extrapolates to about 4.7 million in England)
3. I have used that tool before for my parents and it was giving a likely time sometime in April - both had a jab last week,

Plus would add the Times is reporting everyone over 50 having at least one shot by March 24 is the governments internal target.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covi ... -kbqd233qn

• Everyone above 50 is set to be vaccinated by March 24, before the need to give second doses slows down the pace of the jabs, analysis by The Times shows.

Omnicalculator is very simply extrapolating current average dosing rate and factoring in second doses. It;s being very explicit in what it does. If you want to change the supply rate, the take-up, whatever, then you can do so to produce the figures that you want

So, using the standard numbers for me, I get the following:

Based on your profile, you are not in any priority group. Given an uptake of 70.6%, there are between 16,843,775 and 28,043,102 people in front of you in the queue for a first dose of COVID vaccine across the UK.
Given a vaccination rate of 3,056,416 a week and an uptake of 70.6%, you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 04/05/2021 and 24/06/2021.

You should then get your second dose by between 27/07/2021 and 16/09/2021.

If I then go and up the vaxination rate to 5 million a week I get this:

Based on your profile, you are not in any priority group. Given an uptake of 70.6%, there are between 16,843,775 and 28,043,102 people in front of you in the queue for a first dose of COVID vaccine across the UK.
Given a vaccination rate of 5,000,000 a week and an uptake of 70.6%, you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 04/04/2021 and 06/05/2021.

You should then get your second dose by between 27/06/2021 and 29/07/2021.

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