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Bailey was going to be looked at as a 12 option...

I once saw OHC play an A league game at 12, now I think of it. Get him involved.

Playing players in their correct positions is for pussies.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:52 pm Steward at 12 then.

Here. First...

Nahh Sam Simmods, deffo

Tom Curry, you know it makes sense. Jack Nowell at open side

Barbeary was a 12 at school...

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:55 pm Barbeary was a 12 at school...

There we go, that's the mindset we need.

You just know EJ has something completely batshit up his sleeve somewhere

Can you imagine it? How awesome would that be. There's our Esterhauzin (sp?) equivalent.

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:55 pm Barbeary was a 12 at school...

Toga suggested this on PR. Unfortunately he was being serious.

Oh fuck, it's Keith. wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:15 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:55 pm Barbeary was a 12 at school...

Toga suggested this on PR. Unfortunately he was being serious.

The scary thought is, that it is not beyond the bounds to possibility with Eddie.

ASMO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:17 pm

Oh fuck, it's Keith. wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:15 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:55 pm Barbeary was a 12 at school...

Toga suggested this on PR. Unfortunately he was being serious.

The scary thought is, that it is not beyond the bounds to possibility with Eddie.

Although he's talked about Nowell at 7 and B. Curry at 9 he's yet to do something this mental. The worst is Tuilagi on the wing I think.

ASMO wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:17 pm

Oh fuck, it's Keith. wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:15 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:55 pm Barbeary was a 12 at school...

Toga suggested this on PR. Unfortunately he was being serious.

The scary thought is, that it is not beyond the bounds to possibility with Eddie.

Well, he's on Wasps' unavailable list for this week, so it could end up being moot.

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:52 pm Bailey was going to be looked at as a 12 option...

Meh, we've been talking about him for too long. Time for Max Ojomoh to be the fresh face Eddie needs.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:31 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:52 pm Bailey was going to be looked at as a 12 option...

Meh, we've been talking about him for too long. Time for Max Ojomoh to be the fresh face Eddie needs.

Bailey's younger than Ojomoh :D.

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:35 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:31 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:52 pm Bailey was going to be looked at as a 12 option...

Meh, we've been talking about him for too long. Time for Max Ojomoh to be the fresh face Eddie needs.

Bailey's younger than Ojomoh :D.

Bailey's been announced as being in the squad for long enough to have stated his case by now. Perhaps Ojomoh's superior life experience will be Eddie's silver bullet. Do we know if he had a particularly difficult childhood?

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:36 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:35 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:31 pm

Meh, we've been talking about him for too long. Time for Max Ojomoh to be the fresh face Eddie needs.

Bailey's younger than Ojomoh :D.

Bailey's been announced as being in the squad for long enough to have stated his case by now. Perhaps Ojomoh's superior life experience will be Eddie's silver bullet. Do we know if he had a particularly difficult childhood?

It's a sad day when being black isn't currency enough to get a leg up as disadvantaged anymore.

Please don't make this weird

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:38 pm
It's a sad day when being black isn't currency enough to get a leg up as disadvantaged anymore.

Glaston wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:12 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:03 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:55 pm
Bloody hell. I know he's lost all semblance of form and his agent is hawkin g him around the FRench clubs. But a player of his supposed pedigree on loan to a Championship side!!!!!

He's on £500k+ a year isn't he? He's probably on more pro-rata for that match than the other 29 players combined!

There are 3 other Bristol players loaned out for the same game, a number of other Bristol players have played with them recently.

So the Bristol loanees didn't really help Hartpury that much! L Scottish drew 31-31 with them, only the second time this season that they haven't lost!

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:52 pm

Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:17 pm

Oh fuck, it's Keith. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:24 pm The purple kit game was the one with Monye at fullback. 2009 I think. The game you're talking about was 2006.

Keith x

That's it, Monye at 15.
Given tickets but wished stayed home

England: Monye, Cueto, Hipkiss, Geraghty, Banahan, Wilkinson, Hodgson, Payne, Hartley, Bell, Deacon, Borthwick, Croft, Moody, Haskell.
Replacements: Goode for Wilkinson (75), Care for Hodgson (75), Doran-Jones for Payne (63), Thompson for Hartley (69), Worsley for Croft (63).
Not Used: Lawes, Erinle.

That is so bad I think I've spontaneously developed Bad Aids from reading the lineup.

One almost has to admire the upshot of that was Geraghty getting it in the neck for a bad execution of the kicking strategy. Ignoring we barely passed to Geraghty, he was an odd selection as a 12, the dynamic lock pairing was Deacon and Bortwhick, and Duncan Bell was being picked (if on the back of a number of injuries) at test level

What do you even say to the team as a member of Bath's coaching staff at this point?

There's only so many times you can bring up the positives and what an be improved upon.

Is Underhill screwed ?

Another HIA must surely put a bit of a question mark over his future.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:59 pm What do you even say to the team as a member of Bath's coaching staff at this point?

There's only so many times you can bring up the positives and what an be improved upon.

For the love of God go?

Calling them a coaching team is a stretch i feel.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:59 pm What do you even say to the team as a member of Bath's coaching staff at this point?

There's only so many times you can bring up the positives and what an be improved upon.

"If you wanted to pick a season to have an utter shambolic shocker, you've picked a good one."

inactionman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:34 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:59 pm What do you even say to the team as a member of Bath's coaching staff at this point?

There's only so many times you can bring up the positives and what an be improved upon.

"If you wanted to pick a season to have an utter shambolic shocker, you've picked a good one."

It's weird. It's a proper London Welsh season as it stands, rather than a bog standard relegation season.

Could really do with something positive happening there and having a bit of exit velocity for the new HC to work with.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:59 am

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:52 pm

Bullet wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:17 pm

That's it, Monye at 15.
Given tickets but wished stayed home

England: Monye, Cueto, Hipkiss, Geraghty, Banahan, Wilkinson, Hodgson, Payne, Hartley, Bell, Deacon, Borthwick, Croft, Moody, Haskell.
Replacements: Goode for Wilkinson (75), Care for Hodgson (75), Doran-Jones for Payne (63), Thompson for Hartley (69), Worsley for Croft (63).
Not Used: Lawes, Erinle.

That is so bad I think I've spontaneously developed Bad Aids from reading the lineup.

One almost has to admire the upshot of that was Geraghty getting it in the neck for a bad execution of the kicking strategy. Ignoring we barely passed to Geraghty, he was an odd selection as a 12, the dynamic lock pairing was Deacon and Bortwhick, and Duncan Bell was being picked (if on the back of a number of injuries) at test level

Payne, Bell and Doran-Jones on the bench : Borthwick and deacon. Why with Cueto available would you play Monye at 15 as Cueto was more adaptable. Erinle . Teams in that era with 9's like Shaun Perry, Hodgson and peter Richards reminds me why Ben Youngs was such an upgrade.

Brizzle actually looked reasonable against Scarlets. Really poured on the points in the last 15 too. Went from 28-21 to breaking the half century.

petej wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:54 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:59 am

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:52 pm

That is so bad I think I've spontaneously developed Bad Aids from reading the lineup.

One almost has to admire the upshot of that was Geraghty getting it in the neck for a bad execution of the kicking strategy. Ignoring we barely passed to Geraghty, he was an odd selection as a 12, the dynamic lock pairing was Deacon and Bortwhick, and Duncan Bell was being picked (if on the back of a number of injuries) at test level

Payne, Bell and Doran-Jones on the bench : Borthwick and deacon. Why with Cueto available would you play Monye at 15 as Cueto was more adaptable. Erinle . Teams in that era with 9's like Shaun Perry, Hodgson and peter Richards reminds me why Ben Youngs was such an upgrade.

Proably down there with one of the worst England tight five selections of the pro era (disregarding the likes of the 2007 SA tour where we sent a bunch of 35 year old Prem veterans who couldn't do anything other than scrummage as sacrificial lambs to protect our actual world cup squad).

petej wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:54 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:59 am

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:52 pm

That is so bad I think I've spontaneously developed Bad Aids from reading the lineup.

One almost has to admire the upshot of that was Geraghty getting it in the neck for a bad execution of the kicking strategy. Ignoring we barely passed to Geraghty, he was an odd selection as a 12, the dynamic lock pairing was Deacon and Bortwhick, and Duncan Bell was being picked (if on the back of a number of injuries) at test level

Payne, Bell and Doran-Jones on the bench : Borthwick and deacon. Why with Cueto available would you play Monye at 15 as Cueto was more adaptable. Erinle . Teams in that era with 9's like Shaun Perry, Hodgson and peter Richards reminds me why Ben Youngs was such an upgrade.

I sort of didn't mind Monye being the 15. Yes Cueto was another and likely better option, and I didn't want Monye at 15 for any extended duration, but for all there's a reasonable notion that England isn't the team to be doing this in it was almost a nice idea of expose him to what the 15 saw to try and force some development. As it was not only didn't it work well there also wasn't much development, so hard to argue in favour of it, but ahead of time I was pretty accepting

Peter Richards is always amusing though. Seldom has a player sat on the bench for England pooping themselves not because they didn't want to play but because they'd forgotten their boots, and then when Clive turned to him and told him he was going on he had to fess up, and Clive duly never picked him again

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:28 pm Brizzle actually looked reasonable against Scarlets. Really poured on the points in the last 15 too. Went from 28-21 to breaking the half century.

petej wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:54 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:59 am

One almost has to admire the upshot of that was Geraghty getting it in the neck for a bad execution of the kicking strategy. Ignoring we barely passed to Geraghty, he was an odd selection as a 12, the dynamic lock pairing was Deacon and Bortwhick, and Duncan Bell was being picked (if on the back of a number of injuries) at test level

Payne, Bell and Doran-Jones on the bench : Borthwick and deacon. Why with Cueto available would you play Monye at 15 as Cueto was more adaptable. Erinle . Teams in that era with 9's like Shaun Perry, Hodgson and peter Richards reminds me why Ben Youngs was such an upgrade.

Proably down there with one of the worst England tight five selections of the pro era (disregarding the likes of the 2007 SA tour where we sent a bunch of 35 year old Prem veterans who couldn't do anything other than scrummage as sacrificial lambs to protect our actual world cup squad).

thoroughly enjoyed watching them beast the Saffers in every scrum, mind

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:25 pm

petej wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:54 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:59 am

One almost has to admire the upshot of that was Geraghty getting it in the neck for a bad execution of the kicking strategy. Ignoring we barely passed to Geraghty, he was an odd selection as a 12, the dynamic lock pairing was Deacon and Bortwhick, and Duncan Bell was being picked (if on the back of a number of injuries) at test level

Payne, Bell and Doran-Jones on the bench : Borthwick and deacon. Why with Cueto available would you play Monye at 15 as Cueto was more adaptable. Erinle . Teams in that era with 9's like Shaun Perry, Hodgson and peter Richards reminds me why Ben Youngs was such an upgrade.

I sort of didn't mind Monye being the 15. Yes Cueto was another and likely better option, and I didn't want Monye at 15 for any extended duration, but for all there's a reasonable notion that England isn't the team to be doing this in it was almost a nice idea of expose him to what the 15 saw to try and force some development. As it was not only didn't it work well there also wasn't much development, so hard to argue in favour of it, but ahead of time I was pretty accepting

Peter Richards is always amusing though. Seldom has a player sat on the bench for England pooping themselves not because they didn't want to play but because they'd forgotten their boots, and then when Clive turned to him and told him he was going on he had to fess up, and Clive duly never picked him again

Eh?

inactionman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:14 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:25 pm

petej wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:54 pm

Payne, Bell and Doran-Jones on the bench : Borthwick and deacon. Why with Cueto available would you play Monye at 15 as Cueto was more adaptable. Erinle . Teams in that era with 9's like Shaun Perry, Hodgson and peter Richards reminds me why Ben Youngs was such an upgrade.

I sort of didn't mind Monye being the 15. Yes Cueto was another and likely better option, and I didn't want Monye at 15 for any extended duration, but for all there's a reasonable notion that England isn't the team to be doing this in it was almost a nice idea of expose him to what the 15 saw to try and force some development. As it was not only didn't it work well there also wasn't much development, so hard to argue in favour of it, but ahead of time I was pretty accepting

Peter Richards is always amusing though. Seldom has a player sat on the bench for England pooping themselves not because they didn't want to play but because they'd forgotten their boots, and then when Clive turned to him and told him he was going on he had to fess up, and Clive duly never picked him again

Eh?

Not sure about that one, iirc Richards was one of the youngsters who preferred drinking to training on the tour to hell and Clive didn't pick him after that.

Wasn't the Richards who forgot his boots a footballer?

I heard it from one of the players who was on that tour, I'm pretty sure down at Kingsholm after a game against either Benetton or Edinburgh, I've got it was an Italian club in mind but maybe I'm just getting confused after having a few drinks because Bortolami was there. And Richards was also there but to the side and not really joining in that part of the conversation, whether intentionally ignoring or being part of an adjacent group at that point I don't recall. It is quite possible the version I got was heavily embellished and even more than a little made-up, but it amused me and deserves to be true

For sure there was also drinking on that tour and he was part of a group that annoyed Clive by being more rugby tour than touring pros

I'm fairly certain that not having any boots would be noticed before the player reached the pitchside bench.

Ford recalled by England according to the Mail

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:12 pm Ford recalled by England according to the Mail

He'll fucking stick him at 12 now, won't he.

Ford deserves to be in the England squad but surely Farrell is covering 12 first then 10 second? The sensible replacement would have been Lozowski as he can cover both positions and he kicks goals.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:11 pm Ford deserves to be in the England squad but surely Farrell is covering 12 first then 10? The sensible replacement would have been Lozowski as he can convey both positions and he kicks goals.

As we saw at the beginning of the AIs, Farrell might be given the 12 shirt, but Eddie will have been planning for him to play at 10 for most of the time, with Smith picking up scraps behind him. Hence Ford comes in for Farrell.

Other than the thought of The Walrus touching himself in pleasure at the thought of his bIG brANe being proven right, I have no problem with Ford starting and Smith on the bench.

But with Jones' beloved 6-2 split, we'll need a Jack of All Trades as the reserve back.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:34 pm Other than the thought of The Walrus touching himself in pleasure at the thought of his bIG brANe being proven right, I have no problem with Ford starting and Smith on the bench.

But with Jones' beloved 6-2 split, we'll need a Jack of All Trades as the reserve back.

Cometh the hour, cometh George Furbank. Played 10 minutes at scrum half last week during a sin-binning so he can cover the whole of the back line, and probably hooker as well in Eddie's mind.

So that will be a bench consisting of four backrowers, two props, a scrum half (to be used on the wing, if at all) and Furbank.