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Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:39 pm**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:36 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:34 pm Clear knock on from the Scots on the touchline in the build up to that.

It was blatant.

The earlier sack on the England 9 at the back of the scrum was also bizarre.

Due to the repetitive pick and go process every team gets into we probably went past the phase limit to go check it, but it should've been called in real time.

You don't want to start crying bias, but it certainly feels like England are on the wrong end of some calls at the moment.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:40 pm**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:34 pm Diageo Bailey has brought his Bath attitude.

p.s this ref is very dodgy.

That’d be a challenge given he plays for Brizzle

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:42 pm**

Jesus, that was very nearly a second costly fuck up from a winger.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:43 pm**

duke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:40 pm
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:34 pm Diageo Bailey has brought his Bath attitude.

p.s this ref is very dodgy.
That’d be a challenge given he plays for Brizzle

Ah, assumed it was a buy one-get one free type thing. My error.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:45 pm**

Er, regardless of whether you think it was foul play or not, there was most definitely head contact in that challenge.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:48 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:45 pm Er, regardless of whether you think it was foul play or not, there was most definitely head contact in that challenge.

No chance

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:49 pm**

England backs are playing well but the Scottish backs aren't putting up much resistance are they.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:51 pm**

If we can go five seconds without being penalised and actually give the backs a semblance of a platform our bacs definitely look like they can do damage.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:54 pm**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:34 pm Diageo Bailey has brought his Bath attitude.

p.s this ref is very dodgy.

When Leatherbarrow went over and it was referred to the TMO, there was a clear deliberate knock on from the England 7 to dislodge the ball rom his hands

In that position it's a penalty try and yellow card

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:56 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:54 pm
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:34 pm Diageo Bailey has brought his Bath attitude.

p.s this ref is very dodgy.

When Leatherbarrow went over and it was referred to the TMO, there was a clear deliberate knock on from the England 7 to dislodge the ball rom his hands

In that position it's a penalty try and yellow card

You mean when he was being tackled?!

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:58 pm**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:56 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:54 pm
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:34 pm Diageo Bailey has brought his Bath attitude.

p.s this ref is very dodgy.

When Leatherbarrow went over and it was referred to the TMO, there was a clear deliberate knock on from the England 7 to dislodge the ball rom his hands

In that position it's a penalty try and yellow card

You mean when he was being tackled?!

I mean the England flanker's hand deliberately slapped the ball forward, clear as day

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:01 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:58 pm
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:56 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:54 pm

When Leatherbarrow went over and it was referred to the TMO, there was a clear deliberate knock on from the England 7 to dislodge the ball rom his hands

In that position it's a penalty try and yellow card

You mean when he was being tackled?!

I mean the England flanker's hand deliberately slapped the ball forward, clear as day

Repeat: Is this when the Scottish player was in the act of falling on the England tryline? Tell me you don't seriously mean that tackle?!

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:01 pm**

It was a knock on, but it wasn't deliberate. Looked to me like he was going in to try and get a hand under to hold up and ended up hitting the ball.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:03 pm**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:01 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:58 pm
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:56 pm

You mean when he was being tackled?!

I mean the England flanker's hand deliberately slapped the ball forward, clear as day

Repeat: Is this when the Scottish player was in the act of falling on the England tryline? Tell me you don't seriously mean that tackle?!

You really need to watch it with both eyes open to see what happened right enough.

Scotland got away with one for the first try, it was a double movement.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:07 pm**

Deliberate knock on

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:07 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:03 pm
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:01 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:58 pm

I mean the England flanker's hand deliberately slapped the ball forward, clear as dayj

Repeat: Is this when the Scottish player was in the act of falling on the England tryline? Tell me you don't seriously mean that tackle?!

You really need to watch it with both eyes open to see what happened right enough.

Scotland got away with one for the first try, it was a double movement.

Clear Scottish knock on before the second as well.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:09 pm**

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:07 pm Deliberate knock on

If and when the clip is available on the iplayer I’m quite happy to talk it through frame by frame

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:13 pm**

I like this commentator. Unfussy

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:14 pm**

LenCohen wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:13 pm I like this commentator. Unfussy

I think it’s the guy who does the Top 14 games, he can laugh at mistakes a bit too much on those games but he’s okay

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:17 pm**

Why was this brake foot thing introduced just before the NH showpiece tournament?

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:18 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:14 pm
LenCohen wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:13 pm I like this commentator. Unfussy

I think it’s the guy who does the Top 14 games, he can laugh at mistakes a bit too much on those games but he’s okay

Have you heard the boy Robbie Nock who does top 14 on premier? Consistently hilariously, endearingly bad.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:23 pm**

That was electric. Arundell's a serious talent.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:23 pm**

That fullback is quite something

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:24 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:23 pm That was electric. Arundell's a serious talent.

There are few answers to red hot pace like that in a broken field, he looks terrific

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:24 pm**

What a try = outstanding.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:26 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:24 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:23 pm That was electric. Arundell's a serious talent.

There are few answers to red hot pace like that in a broken field, he looks terrific

Indeed, he also has some feet on him and doesn't seem to slow down when shifting direction. Made good decisions hen running out of real estate too.

Tom Parton at Irish must be looking nervously over his shoulder.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:27 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:24 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:23 pm That was electric. Arundell's a serious talent.

There are few answers to red hot pace like that in a broken field, he looks terrific

Adam Radwan is like that. Only quicker. Eddie Jones doesn't rate him.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:29 pm**

He's not a small fella, but Townsend seems to be carrying it quite a lot for a 10.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:32 pm**

Harsh card for the Scottish poach.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:34 pm**

BP secured. Subs do seem to have benefitted the English forwards.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:36 pm**

Blimey, that lanky streak of ginger piss has got some gas.

Well deserved try for Grayson, he's been really good.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:36 pm**

That lad has got some serious gas.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:36 pm**

The replacement England 10 has made a big difference - he defo gets the starting shirt in the next game.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:46 pm**

He's not being helped by th replacement scrum half, but he's definitely prominent and not afraid to take on much bigger players when the pass isn't there.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:49 pm**

Some of these guys actually look pretty young which makes a change. Usually half the U20s look about a decade older than they supposedly are.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:01 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:09 pm
notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:07 pm Deliberate knock on
If and when the clip is available on the iplayer I’m quite happy to talk it through frame by frame

The defender would have used the same technique even if he was categorically trying not to make a knock on. It was the only way he could make the tackle in the hope of preventing the try.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:02 pm**

Good game to watch, the U20s is often good entertainment, played at pace and with lots of ambition - Scots have already done better than last term, when they didn't get a single point from their games. England looked very good with ball in hand and when attacking from deep - but won't be happy with conceding 4 tries - so a bit of work to be done there.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:06 pm**

notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:01 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:09 pm
notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:07 pm Deliberate knock on
If and when the clip is available on the iplayer I’m quite happy to talk it through frame by frame
The defender would have used the same technique even if he was categorically trying not to make a knock on. It was the only way he could make the tackle in the hope of preventing the try.

The TMO and then the ref called it a knock on, hence the scrum for Scotland. If you go into that tackle with your hand forward like that you are trying to dislodge the ball.

For me that is a deliberate knock on.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:07 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:06 pm
notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:01 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:09 pm

If and when the clip is available on the iplayer I’m quite happy to talk it through frame by frame
The defender would have used the same technique even if he was categorically trying not to make a knock on. It was the only way he could make the tackle in the hope of preventing the try.
The TMO and then the ref called it a knock on, hence the scrum for Scotland. If you go into that tackle with your hand forward like that you are trying to dislodge the ball.

For me that is a deliberate knock on.

Yes, but you're a hopelessly parochial observer.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:10 pm**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:07 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:06 pm
notfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:01 pm

The defender would have used the same technique even if he was categorically trying not to make a knock on. It was the only way he could make the tackle in the hope of preventing the try.
The TMO and then the ref called it a knock on, hence the scrum for Scotland. If you go into that tackle with your hand forward like that you are trying to dislodge the ball.

For me that is a deliberate knock on.

Yes, but you're a hopelessly parochial observer.

May I ask how old you are?

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