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Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:10 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:07 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:06 pm

The TMO and then the ref called it a knock on, hence the scrum for Scotland. If you go into that tackle with your hand forward like that you are trying to dislodge the ball.

For me that is a deliberate knock on.

Yes, but you're a hopelessly parochial observer.

May I ask how old you are?

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:02 pm Good game to watch, the U20s is often good entertainment, played at pace and with lots of ambition - Scots have already done better than last term, when they didn't get a single point from their games. England looked very good with ball in hand and when attacking from deep - but won't be happy with conceding 4 tries - so a bit of work to be done there.

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:14 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:10 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:07 pm



Yes, but you're a hopelessly parochial observer.

May I ask how old you are?

Why ? Are you ageist ?

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:10 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:07 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:06 pm

The TMO and then the ref called it a knock on, hence the scrum for Scotland. If you go into that tackle with your hand forward like that you are trying to dislodge the ball.

For me that is a deliberate knock on.

Yes, but you're a hopelessly parochial observer.

May I ask how old you are?

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:21 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:10 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:07 pm



Yes, but you're a hopelessly parochial observer.

May I ask how old you are?

Are you struggling with what parochial means?

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:23 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:21 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:10 pm


May I ask how old you are?

Are you struggling with what parochial means?

No, but you did just prove my point.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:26 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:24 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:23 pm That was electric. Arundell's a serious talent.

There are few answers to red hot pace like that in a broken field, he looks terrific

Indeed, he also has some feet on him and doesn't seem to slow down when shifting direction. Made good decisions hen running out of real estate too.

Tom Parton at Irish must be looking nervously over his shoulder.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:38 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:26 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:24 pm


There are few answers to red hot pace like that in a broken field, he looks terrific

Indeed, he also has some feet on him and doesn't seem to slow down when shifting direction. Made good decisions hen running out of real estate too.

Tom Parton at Irish must be looking nervously over his shoulder.

Told you all the other day how good he is. Unreal balance and acceleration. Decent ball player too and can kick. He's been the best back on the pitch in both senior games he's played for LI.

He's much better than Parton at the same age. Hopefully not a flash in the pan

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:48 pm
He'll face better-organised defences than the dross he was running through tonight, but good luck to him, he looks very promising.

For us I though Leatherboarrow carried well and Townsend Jnr showed a couple of moves

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:14 am

Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:35 pm Shame we aren't going to see Barbeary causing havoc off the bench - but Wasps will be glad to have him back.

Edit - seems Eddie has broken him - slight hamstring issue.

Lee Blackett voiced this specific concern when he was called up.

Eddie obviously has his exacting training standards, but you'd think you might go a little easier on a kid who's only a couple of months back from a loooong lay off.

Would've been nice to have him back this week and not need to pad the back row out with a hooker and a lock again.

Ovals wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:53 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:14 am

Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:35 pm Shame we aren't going to see Barbeary causing havoc off the bench - but Wasps will be glad to have him back.

Edit - seems Eddie has broken him - slight hamstring issue.

Lee Blackett voiced this specific concern when he was called up.

Eddie obviously has his exacting training standards, but you'd think you might go a little easier on a kid who's only a couple of months back from a loooong lay off.

Would've been nice to have him back this week and not need to pad the back row out with a hooker and a lock again.

Seems he wasn't that broken - he's starting against Exeter. Wasps side is starting to look half decent with the guys coming back from injury, against an Exeter side shorn of a few internationals courtesy of the 6N.

Exeter: Hodge; Woodburn, Hendrickson, H Skinner, O'Flaherty; J Simmonds (capt), S Maunder; Hepburn, Innard, Schickerling, Kirsten, Jenkins, Ewers, Capstick, Grondona.

Replacements: Yeandle, Moon, Iosefa-Scott, Pearson, Norey, Hidalgo-Clyne, O'Brien, Cordero.

Wasps: Watson; Odogwu, Fekitoa, Gopperth, Bassett; Atkinson, Robson; West, Cruse, Alo, Launchbury (capt), Stooke, Fifita, Shields, Barbeary.

Replacements: Oghre, Hislop, Millar-Mills, Gaskell, Morris, Porter, Spink, Miller.

Ovals wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:53 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:14 am

Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:35 pm Shame we aren't going to see Barbeary causing havoc off the bench - but Wasps will be glad to have him back.

Edit - seems Eddie has broken him - slight hamstring issue.

Lee Blackett voiced this specific concern when he was called up.

Eddie obviously has his exacting training standards, but you'd think you might go a little easier on a kid who's only a couple of months back from a loooong lay off.

Would've been nice to have him back this week and not need to pad the back row out with a hooker and a lock again.

Seems he wasn't that broken - he's starting against Exeter. Wasps side is starting to look half decent with the guys coming back from injury, against an Exeter side shorn of a few internationals courtesy of the 6N.

Exeter: Hodge; Woodburn, Hendrickson, H Skinner, O'Flaherty; J Simmonds (capt), S Maunder; Hepburn, Innard, Schickerling, Kirsten, Jenkins, Ewers, Capstick, Grondona.

Replacements: Yeandle, Moon, Iosefa-Scott, Pearson, Norey, Hidalgo-Clyne, O'Brien, Cordero.

Wasps: Watson; Odogwu, Fekitoa, Gopperth, Bassett; Atkinson, Robson; West, Cruse, Alo, Launchbury (capt), Stooke, Fifita, Shields, Barbeary.

Replacements: Oghre, Hislop, Millar-Mills, Gaskell, Morris, Porter, Spink, Miller.

Lobby wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:18 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:02 pm Good game to watch, the U20s is often good entertainment, played at pace and with lots of ambition - Scots have already done better than last term, when they didn't get a single point from their games. England looked very good with ball in hand and when attacking from deep - but won't be happy with conceding 4 tries - so a bit of work to be done there.

England’s forwards were dreadful for the first 50 minutes, and the backs looked pretty disorganized too on the few occasions when they did get the ball. It was largely the full back’s brilliance that kept them in the match. As Toga said, the change of fly half made a big difference to England’s play and organization in the second half.

Scotland’s forwards did very well, but ran out of steam in the second half. Townsend apart, their backs didn’t look very threatening.

weegie01 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:59 am

Lobby wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:18 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:02 pm Good game to watch, the U20s is often good entertainment, played at pace and with lots of ambition - Scots have already done better than last term, when they didn't get a single point from their games. England looked very good with ball in hand and when attacking from deep - but won't be happy with conceding 4 tries - so a bit of work to be done there.

England’s forwards were dreadful for the first 50 minutes, and the backs looked pretty disorganized too on the few occasions when they did get the ball. It was largely the full back’s brilliance that kept them in the match. As Toga said, the change of fly half made a big difference to England’s play and organization in the second half.

Scotland’s forwards did very well, but ran out of steam in the second half. Townsend apart, their backs didn’t look very threatening.

For most of the Scottish domestic players this was their first competitive match since October, bar one A game between Edinburgh and Glasgow. The new structure of the Scottish season really handicaps these guys.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:17 pm

weegie01 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:59 am

Lobby wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:18 pm

England’s forwards were dreadful for the first 50 minutes, and the backs looked pretty disorganized too on the few occasions when they did get the ball. It was largely the full back’s brilliance that kept them in the match. As Toga said, the change of fly half made a big difference to England’s play and organization in the second half.

Scotland’s forwards did very well, but ran out of steam in the second half. Townsend apart, their backs didn’t look very threatening.

For most of the Scottish domestic players this was their first competitive match since October, bar one A game between Edinburgh and Glasgow. The new structure of the Scottish season really handicaps these guys.

As far as I know the Prem A -league hasn't resumed after covid suspension, so it'd be the same for most of the England Team. Being a newer intake there's definitely fewer with first team club experience than we often see.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:17 pm

weegie01 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:59 am

Lobby wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:18 pm

England’s forwards were dreadful for the first 50 minutes, and the backs looked pretty disorganized too on the few occasions when they did get the ball. It was largely the full back’s brilliance that kept them in the match. As Toga said, the change of fly half made a big difference to England’s play and organization in the second half.

Scotland’s forwards did very well, but ran out of steam in the second half. Townsend apart, their backs didn’t look very threatening.

For most of the Scottish domestic players this was their first competitive match since October, bar one A game between Edinburgh and Glasgow. The new structure of the Scottish season really handicaps these guys.

As far as I know the Prem A -league hasn't resumed after covid suspension, so it'd be the same for most of the England Team. Being a newer intake there's definitely fewer with first team club experience than we often see.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:41 am

Ovals wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:53 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:14 am

Lee Blackett voiced this specific concern when he was called up.

Eddie obviously has his exacting training standards, but you'd think you might go a little easier on a kid who's only a couple of months back from a loooong lay off.

Would've been nice to have him back this week and not need to pad the back row out with a hooker and a lock again.

Seems he wasn't that broken - he's starting against Exeter. Wasps side is starting to look half decent with the guys coming back from injury, against an Exeter side shorn of a few internationals courtesy of the 6N.

Exeter: Hodge; Woodburn, Hendrickson, H Skinner, O'Flaherty; J Simmonds (capt), S Maunder; Hepburn, Innard, Schickerling, Kirsten, Jenkins, Ewers, Capstick, Grondona.

Replacements: Yeandle, Moon, Iosefa-Scott, Pearson, Norey, Hidalgo-Clyne, O'Brien, Cordero.

Wasps: Watson; Odogwu, Fekitoa, Gopperth, Bassett; Atkinson, Robson; West, Cruse, Alo, Launchbury (capt), Stooke, Fifita, Shields, Barbeary.

Replacements: Oghre, Hislop, Millar-Mills, Gaskell, Morris, Porter, Spink, Miller.

Good to see he's ok enough to play.

That's possibly the strongest team we've put out all season.

The unavailable list is finally down to single figures:
Dan Frost, Francois Hougaard, Zach Kibirige, Rodrigo Martinez, Matteo Minozzi, Jacob Umaga, Jack Willis, Tom Willis, Thomas Young.

Actually fancy our chances against that Exeter line up.

geordie_6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:33 pm
Has Willis, J got a return date as of yet?

Lobby wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:49 pm Can’t see England beating Ireland Or France, so we’re competing with Wales for 4th or 5th place.

Dreadful performance, and presumably will use Smith’s missed penalty kick as an excuse to drop him, and ignore Ford’s two feeble kicks when England desperately needed territory, but Ford only gained about 10 meters each time.

Young’s was dire.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:00 pm Well that was piss.

In a lightweight backline with hybrid wings, I've no idea why you don't stick a big proper wing like OHC on one wing.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:55 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:49 pm Can’t see England beating Ireland Or France, so we’re competing with Wales for 4th or 5th place.

Dreadful performance, and presumably will use Smith’s missed penalty kick as an excuse to drop him, and ignore Ford’s two feeble kicks when England desperately needed territory, but Ford only gained about 10 meters each time.

Young’s was dire.

So I was really disappointed with Smith's kicking into the 22, very conservative with the exception of the one where he went for broke. I don't think it's coincidental that Ford came on and was exactly the same.

petej wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:01 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:55 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:49 pm Can’t see England beating Ireland Or France, so we’re competing with Wales for 4th or 5th place.

Dreadful performance, and presumably will use Smith’s missed penalty kick as an excuse to drop him, and ignore Ford’s two feeble kicks when England desperately needed territory, but Ford only gained about 10 meters each time.

Young’s was dire.

So I was really disappointed with Smith's kicking into the 22, very conservative with the exception of the one where he went for broke. I don't think it's coincidental that Ford came on and was exactly the same.

Yeah. Think they were the wrong side for ford and the wind was clearly an issue for both 10s. Still such a mystifying sub as smith looked more settled and Youngs was obviously the halfback that needed to be removed. Also having totally dumped ford surely he only gets on if smith is injured or the game is comfortably won. The bringing back Daly into midfield is strange as has Daly been playing well enough to justify being selected?

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:01 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:00 pm Well that was piss.

In a lightweight backline with hybrid wings, I've no idea why you don't stick a big proper wing like OHC on one wing.

If you pick OHC is he going to run into space and then kick the ball away? No, he's going to try and keep the ball and try and score or put other players in. That is not acceptable Eddie Jones Away Rugby.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:48 pm But mainly watching Youngs play makes me want to cry. There's no tempo. Ever

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:46 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:01 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:00 pm Well that was piss.

In a lightweight backline with hybrid wings, I've no idea why you don't stick a big proper wing like OHC on one wing.

If you pick OHC is he going to run into space and then kick the ball away? No, he's going to try and keep the ball and try and score or put other players in. That is not acceptable Eddie Jones Away Rugby.

It's weird. I like Malins and Marchant, but I don't think either of them are amongst the very best wings in the prem. There has to be someone out wide that can break the line and run one in from a long way out.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:03 pm

petej wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:01 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:55 pm

So I was really disappointed with Smith's kicking into the 22, very conservative with the exception of the one where he went for broke. I don't think it's coincidental that Ford came on and was exactly the same.

Yeah. Think they were the wrong side for ford and the wind was clearly an issue for both 10s. Still such a mystifying sub as smith looked more settled and Youngs was obviously the halfback that needed to be removed. Also having totally dumped ford surely he only gets on if smith is injured or the game is comfortably won. The bringing back Daly into midfield is strange as has Daly been playing well enough to justify being selected?

Marchant's been in fine form as a 13, and that would mean we could also pick an actual career winger too. But hey. I had hoped that maybe we picked Daly to make use of his running abilities. Silly me, I forgot about his boot.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:50 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:46 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:01 pm

If you pick OHC is he going to run into space and then kick the ball away? No, he's going to try and keep the ball and try and score or put other players in. That is not acceptable Eddie Jones Away Rugby.

It's weird. I like Malins and Marchant, but I don't think either of them are amongst the very best wings in the prem. There has to be someone out wide that can break the line and run one in from a long way out.

The kick where Hogg had to run back to collect and Malins near got him on the Scottish line was a classic case where, had Eddiot picked Radwan then Hogg would have been toast.

Jones is like a tumour in England rugby. He draws a huge salary, has surrounded himself with yes men, and he's just pocketing the money and dialling it in. It's so obvious.

Telegraph

15. Freddie Steward
Struggled to get into the game with the ball-in-hand, with his afternoon encapsulated by dropped ball early in the second half. 6

14. Max Malins
Looked dangerous with the ball-in-hand. A couple of great takes under the high ball and had a half-chance down the line in the first half. 6

13. Elliot Daly
Started off brilliantly, but his influence faded as Harris got the measure of him. 7

12. Henry Slade
Combined well with Smith as a distributor but really struggled to get any change from Scotland's midfield defence. 7

11. Joe Marchant
Stood up by Graham for Scotland's first try and was horribly exposed by his opposite number. A defensive performance he'll want to forget. 5

10. Marcus Smith
Started low-key but ended with 17 points thanks to excellent place-kicking and lovely blindside switch and ruthless turn of pace for his try. 9

9. Ben Youngs
Looked rejuvenated, with his first half break the first real moment of quality shown by the visitors, Slick service and flawless decision-making. 8

1. Ellis Genge
Strong in the scrum and bristled with intent in the loose, but lack of accuracy hindered him as he gave away penalty which extended Scotland's lead. 7

2. Luke Cowan-Dickie
What was that grubber kick in Scotland's 22 all about? And the rush of blood to palm the ball out for a yellow-card and penalty try? Madness. 3

3. Kyle Sinckler
Carried well and got a good early nudge in the scrum against his fellow Lion Rory Sutherland. Good work at ruck time. 7

4. Maro Itoje
His muscular impact post-tackle was one of the major reasons why England's forwards got the better of their battle with the Scottish front five. 8

5. Nick Isiekwe
Good lineout work, carried with conviction and put in a huge shift at the coalface as the English front five bullied their Scottish counterparts. 7

6. Lewis Ludlam
Did a lot of great work at the breakdown and was one of the reasons why England's back row dominated 6

7. Tom Curry
Took on Scotland's back row and won the contest of feet and inches without ever looking like making a clean break. Hugely influential at the breakdown. 7

8. Sam Simmonds
Injected real pace when given the ball in open play, but that was far too infrequent. 5

Sports Joe

Freddie Steward - 7
Max Malins - 7
Elliot Daly - 5
Henry Slade - 6
Joe Marchant - 5
Marcus Smith - 8
Ben Youngs - 7
Ellis Genge - 7
Luke Cowan-Dickie - 5
Kyle Sinckler - 7
Maro Itoje - 6
Nick Isiekwe - 5
Lewis Ludlam - 7
Tom Curry - 5
Sam Simmonds - 8

Ruck

England: Freddie Steward 6, Max Malins 5, Elliot Daly 6, Henry Slade 7 , Joe Marchant 6, Marcus Smith 8, Ben Youngs 7; Ellis Genge 7, Luke Cowan-Dickie 3, Kyle Sinckler 6, Maro Itoje 7, Nick Isiekwe 6, Lewis Ludlam 6, Tom Curry (c) 7, Sam Simmonds 7