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Hong Kong wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:09 am I’m getting the BioNTech vaccination: first on 31 March, 2nd on 21 April

Saint wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:46 pm

Slick wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:12 pm Is there any indication when we might be able to stay with family?

Looking at the unlock, it looks like possibly Phase III (May 17th), but that will need more detail closer to the time

Slick wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:19 am

Saint wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:46 pm

Slick wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:12 pm Is there any indication when we might be able to stay with family?

Looking at the unlock, it looks like possibly Phase III (May 17th), but that will need more detail closer to the time

Thanks, and Biffer. Getting a bit of pressure from my mum, who lives in England, to head down on the 26th April when we can move again. She will be fully vaccinated and says we can form a bubble

Enzedder wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:37 am

Hong Kong wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:09 am I’m getting the BioNTech vaccination: first on 31 March, 2nd on 21 April

Can I have your porn collection?

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:24 am

Slick wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:19 am

Saint wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:46 pm

Looking at the unlock, it looks like possibly Phase III (May 17th), but that will need more detail closer to the time

Thanks, and Biffer. Getting a bit of pressure from my mum, who lives in England, to head down on the 26th April when we can move again. She will be fully vaccinated and says we can form a bubble

Bubble rules are different and provided you qualify you've been able to stay overnight through the whole lockdown

Slick wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:58 am

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:24 am

Slick wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:19 am

Thanks, and Biffer. Getting a bit of pressure from my mum, who lives in England, to head down on the 26th April when we can move again. She will be fully vaccinated and says we can form a bubble

Bubble rules are different and provided you qualify you've been able to stay overnight through the whole lockdown

Yes, but with the travel restrictions it made it difficult to justify. My mum is currently in a bubble with my sister who lives locally but is intending to break that bubble before we go down and form it with us. All within rules as I read them, as long is there is sufficient time between bubbles. To be honest it's really difficult to say no now that she will be fully vaccinated even though we want to stick to the rules - I know it's not 100% protection.

Line6 HXFX wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:22 am Had the vaccine yesterday.

Woke with back pain, neck pain, jaw pain, finger aches and a high temperature.

But hey, had the vaccine, super happy.

Line6 HXFX wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:22 am Had the vaccine yesterday.

Woke with back pain, neck pain, jaw pain, finger aches and a high temperature.

But hey, had the vaccine, super happy.

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:30 am NHS now accepting requests for all over 50s. Login and pick your dates + location for 1st and 2nd jab today. No need to wait for your letter.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir ... ccination/

My wife booked her first jab for next Friday, then mid June.

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:38 pm

Rinkals wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:59 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:35 pm I hope the EU keep delaying AZ rollout. Allow the UK time to vaccinate all our adults before Europeans get their head out of their arses.

I saw a figure (which I can't find: sorry), which suggested that, at the rate South Africans are currently getting the jab, it will be another twenty years before 60% of the population is inoculated.

So, I don't think you have to worry on that score: we should have bred enough resistant variants in that time to keep your hospitals busy in perpetuity.

Don’t be silly. Every country starts slowly and then ramps up the rollout.

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:44 am

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:38 pm

Rinkals wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:59 pm

I saw a figure (which I can't find: sorry), which suggested that, at the rate South Africans are currently getting the jab, it will be another twenty years before 60% of the population is inoculated.

So, I don't think you have to worry on that score: we should have bred enough resistant variants in that time to keep your hospitals busy in perpetuity.

Don’t be silly. Every country starts slowly and then ramps up the rollout.

First of all, I was being facetious. As I took you to be.

And secondly, I believe we are having difficulty securing supply of the vaccination.

Underlying my facetious remark was a serious point, namely that Nations that secure their own populations at the expense of poorer nations risk reinfection through the virus being allowed to thrive outside of their orbit.

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:44 am

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:38 pm

Rinkals wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:59 pm

I saw a figure (which I can't find: sorry), which suggested that, at the rate South Africans are currently getting the jab, it will be another twenty years before 60% of the population is inoculated.

So, I don't think you have to worry on that score: we should have bred enough resistant variants in that time to keep your hospitals busy in perpetuity.

Don’t be silly. Every country starts slowly and then ramps up the rollout.

First of all, I was being facetious. As I took you to be.

And secondly, I believe we are having difficulty securing supply of the vaccination.

Underlying my facetious remark was a serious point, namely that Nations that secure their own populations at the expense of poorer nations risk reinfection through the virus being allowed to thrive outside of their orbit.

sturginho wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:27 am

Line6 HXFX wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:22 am Had the vaccine yesterday.

Woke with back pain, neck pain, jaw pain, finger aches and a high temperature.

But hey, had the vaccine, super happy.

Which one did you have?

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:47 am

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:44 am

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:38 pm

Don’t be silly. Every country starts slowly and then ramps up the rollout.

First of all, I was being facetious. As I took you to be.

And secondly, I believe we are having difficulty securing supply of the vaccination.

Underlying my facetious remark was a serious point, namely that Nations that secure their own populations at the expense of poorer nations risk reinfection through the virus being allowed to thrive outside of their orbit.

As mor vaccines are approved and more production comes on line, and more programmes are completed, more becomes available for all

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:58 am

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:47 am

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:44 am

First of all, I was being facetious. As I took you to be.

And secondly, I believe we are having difficulty securing supply of the vaccination.

Underlying my facetious remark was a serious point, namely that Nations that secure their own populations at the expense of poorer nations risk reinfection through the virus being allowed to thrive outside of their orbit.

As mor vaccines are approved and more production comes on line, and more programmes are completed, more becomes available for all

There is currently a discussion on whether there might be a moratorium on IP restrictions on these vaccines to allow their production in India. South Africa, too, has a competent medical industry capable of producing medicines and vaccines, despite disparaging remarks made earlier on this thread.

However, without getting too Q-Anon, it is obviously in the drug companies' interests to prevent that from happening. Not only is there a strong imperative to defend their IP, but it obviously hurts the bottom line if treatment works too well. Sorry to sound a little conspiratorial, but these companies do not exist as entirely philanthropic entities.

That is probably neither here nor there, but the end result is probably going to be against opening up the IP.

But, to make my point again, if the virus is allowed to thrive in poorer countries, then it will probably resurface in wealthier nations in divers variants.

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:58 am

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:47 am

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:44 am

First of all, I was being facetious. As I took you to be.

And secondly, I believe we are having difficulty securing supply of the vaccination.

Underlying my facetious remark was a serious point, namely that Nations that secure their own populations at the expense of poorer nations risk reinfection through the virus being allowed to thrive outside of their orbit.

As mor vaccines are approved and more production comes on line, and more programmes are completed, more becomes available for all

There is currently a discussion on whether there might be a moratorium on IP restrictions on these vaccines to allow their production in India. South Africa, too, has a competent medical industry capable of producing medicines and vaccines, despite disparaging remarks made earlier on this thread.

However, without getting too Q-Anon, it is obviously in the drug companies' interests to prevent that from happening. Not only is there a strong imperative to defend their IP, but it obviously hurts the bottom line if treatment works too well. Sorry to sound a little conspiratorial, but these companies do not exist as entirely philanthropic entities.

That is probably neither here nor there, but the end result is probably going to be against opening up the IP.

But, to make my point again, if the virus is allowed to thrive in poorer countries, then it will probably resurface in wealthier nations in divers variants.

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:50 pm It's far from clear how much capacity there actually is, particularly if we intend to keep up manufacturing cpacity for all those other pesky viruses like Smallpox. Additionally, few few of these vaccines are actually manufactured in a single facility - the supply chains are complex with many limiting factors. For instance even if you could spin up a final production facility for Pfizer in SA, there's a core component to it that is currently only manufactured in 2 factories in the world, and I've seen estimates that it could take between 6 and 18 months to bring any other facility on line.

As much as anything, this is why it's important to have many vaccines of different types so as to best utilise what manufacturing capacity we have

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:59 pm

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:50 pm It's far from clear how much capacity there actually is, particularly if we intend to keep up manufacturing cpacity for all those other pesky viruses like Smallpox. Additionally, few few of these vaccines are actually manufactured in a single facility - the supply chains are complex with many limiting factors. For instance even if you could spin up a final production facility for Pfizer in SA, there's a core component to it that is currently only manufactured in 2 factories in the world, and I've seen estimates that it could take between 6 and 18 months to bring any other facility on line.

As much as anything, this is why it's important to have many vaccines of different types so as to best utilise what manufacturing capacity we have

In which case, why the reticence in offering a limited moratorium on the IP involved?

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:07 pm In other words, it's more important to make profits than to save lives.

I understand perfectly.

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:51 pm Great. Time for a bit more posturing. It can;t really go anywhere as a core Pfizer component is manufactured in the UK, and no-one really wants this to get that ugly

I'm curious as to what Ursula means about recieving exports from the USA though, when the USA has a blanket ban on any exports of any Covid vaccine, whether it's certified for use in the USA or not (see 70million odd doses of AZ sitting in warehouses)

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:17 pm

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:07 pm In other words, it's more important to make profits than to save lives.

I understand perfectly.

I'm of two minds to this, but actually it's the long term ability of Pharma to make profits that enables their long term ability to develop new vaccines and technologies.

tc27 wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:11 pm PS 530k vaccinations given yesterday.

Lobby wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:09 pm

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:51 pm Great. Time for a bit more posturing. It can;t really go anywhere as a core Pfizer component is manufactured in the UK, and no-one really wants this to get that ugly

I'm curious as to what Ursula means about recieving exports from the USA though, when the USA has a blanket ban on any exports of any Covid vaccine, whether it's certified for use in the USA or not (see 70million odd doses of AZ sitting in warehouses)

I think she means that there is reciprocity with the US because no EU manufactured vaccines have gone to the US; hence the US ban doesn’t affect the EU (despite there being a surfeit of unused AZ vaccines in the US).

As the UK has received 9m Pfizer vaccines from EU plants, in line with our contracts, she thinks we should reciprocate and provide the EU with AZ vaccines, despite the lack of any contractual basis for us doing so.

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:17 pm

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:07 pm In other words, it's more important to make profits than to save lives.

I understand perfectly.

I'm of two minds to this, but actually it's the long term ability of Pharma to make profits that enables their long term ability to develop new vaccines and technologies.

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:47 pm

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:17 pm

Rinkals wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:07 pm In other words, it's more important to make profits than to save lives.

I understand perfectly.

I'm of two minds to this, but actually it's the long term ability of Pharma to make profits that enables their long term ability to develop new vaccines and technologies.

Actually, I do understand their concerns.

But to my mind, it risks allowing the virus to incubate with the possibility of nastier versions down the line.

Lobby wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:42 pm I see Ursula is back on the warpath

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:02 pm In other news - final Novovax Phase III results are in. 96% effective in preventing infections for the original strain, 86% against the "Kent" variant. 100% effective in preventing death from either strain.

Raggs wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:08 pm

Saint wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:02 pm In other news - final Novovax Phase III results are in. 96% effective in preventing infections for the original strain, 86% against the "Kent" variant. 100% effective in preventing death from either strain.

So on the assumption that they've been reviewing results in real time, and not just waiting on the final results to publish, we've got a week or so before this gets full approval?