Re: So, coronavirus...
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:05 am
Well, I’m 47 and got mine 2 days ago. As did wife and a couple of other friends in our area.
UK to offer Covid vaccines to Ireland
March 28 2021, The Sunday Times
Britain is planning to offer 3.7 million Covid jabs to Ireland, in part to help lift the lockdown in Northern Ireland, in a move that could raise tensions with the European Union.
It would be the first time the UK has exported vaccines to the EU, but the plan was described by a cabinet minister as a “poke in the eye for Brussels” because it could disrupt EU unity.
Brussels, which has co-ordinated vaccine procurement and delivery on behalf of its member states, has made slower progress than the UK. Amid an acrimonious dispute over supplies, the EU has threatened to block exports of vaccines and their ingredients.
Dominic Raab, the foreign secretary, Michael Gove, chancellor of the duchy of Lancaster, and Brandon Lewis, the Northern Ireland secretary, have had “outline discussions” about the plan.
Failure to vaccinate the Irish could trigger a third wave in Northern Ireland if people travel across the border when lockdown restrictions are lifted.
A cabinet source said: “Everyone can see the logic of it. It’s good politics while at the same time solving a genuine public health concern in Northern Ireland.
“It is a balancing act, making sure that we have enough vaccines to give the UK’s adult population the second dose. Easter will be when we might be able to start offering vaccines to Ireland.”
Developing countries could receive UK vaccines after Ireland. But the Cabinet Office is drawing up plans to send surplus vaccines to other EU countries this year amid fears that the poor vaccine programme in France and Germany could boost extremist parties. “The fear is that Macron has made such a mess of things that it might mean we end up with Marine Le Pen getting elected,” a well-placed Whitehall source said. “No one wants that.”
France is currently 13% UK 47% ish few weeks and even with slow down we're still vaccinating a lot everyday. What is this man on, has he lost the plot, mistranslationPresident Emmanuel Macron said France’s vaccination rollout will have caught up with the UK’s “in a few weeks” amid tensions over vaccine supplies.
Playing to the audience. Even with the number of anti-vaxxers in France, it still doesn't look good that they're so far behind.BnM wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:26 pmFrance is currently 13% UK 47% ish few weeks and even with slow down we're still vaccinating a lot everyday. What is this man on, has he lost the plot, mistranslationPresident Emmanuel Macron said France’s vaccination rollout will have caught up with the UK’s “in a few weeks” amid tensions over vaccine supplies.
'Few' is doing a lot of work in that quote.BnM wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:26 pmFrance is currently 13% UK 47% ish few weeks and even with slow down we're still vaccinating a lot everyday. What is this man on, has he lost the plot, mistranslationPresident Emmanuel Macron said France’s vaccination rollout will have caught up with the UK’s “in a few weeks” amid tensions over vaccine supplies.
They're also going to need 30m or so doses too.Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:28 pm'Few' is doing a lot of work in that quote.BnM wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:26 pmFrance is currently 13% UK 47% ish few weeks and even with slow down we're still vaccinating a lot everyday. What is this man on, has he lost the plot, mistranslationPresident Emmanuel Macron said France’s vaccination rollout will have caught up with the UK’s “in a few weeks” amid tensions over vaccine supplies.
Russia had an excess death toll of over 300,000 in 2020.Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:17 pm Grim stuff from Mexico as their Government has admitted the actual death count is way higher than the official toll (321,000 vs 201,000) and no way are they the only ones in this position.
A similar re-evaluation in Brazil would likely show 500,000+ (I would actually believe 1,000,000+)Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:17 pm Grim stuff from Mexico as their Government has admitted the actual death count is way higher than the official toll (321,000 vs 201,000) and no way are they the only ones in this position.
Nah, he’s just a Northerner.
Friend of mine on facebook had something on about the european vaccination situation, friends of his in france sent a screenshot of the vaccination clinics opening hours. Let's just say they were very French.Saint wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:10 pm UK Vaccination numbers
1st dose:
30,151,287
2nd dose:
3,527,481
France Vaccination numbers
1st dose
7.55 million
2nd dose:
2.64 million
So in a "few" weeks they need to administer 22 million odd doses to reach where the UK is right now.
Macron doing himself no favours at all
Who's enjoying it? Talking about how fecking stupid politicians are world wide doesn't mean I get pleasure from others suffering.Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:17 pm Wow, I see that some of you are now enjoying at making comparisons between how fuckd the French are with their vaccine and how much better the UK is, as I recall no French or anybody made any comparison about your government mishandling of the pandemic.
Exactly - the situation in mainland Europe is very concerning - the fact that some politicians are making it worse, is even more concerning. We'll all be in the shit if Europe doesn't get control back quickly. The ramifications for both health, and the economy, are horrendous.Raggs wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:21 pmWho's enjoying it? Talking about how fecking stupid politicians are world wide doesn't mean I get pleasure from others suffering.Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:17 pm Wow, I see that some of you are now enjoying at making comparisons between how fuckd the French are with their vaccine and how much better the UK is, as I recall no French or anybody made any comparison about your government mishandling of the pandemic.
I was commenting on Macron's statement and how it was disjointed from reality.Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:17 pm Wow, I see that some of you are now enjoying at making comparisons between how fuckd the French are with their vaccine and how much better the UK is, as I recall no French or anybody made any comparison about your government mishandling of the pandemic.
I agree with all of you about macron, few pages ago I said that he has been the worst prez since Petain in 1942, and also about everyone been talking about the way Bojo & co mishandled the pandemic, like we did withtrump, my poke was about the comparisons “ oh look , look at the French “Saint wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:38 pmI was commenting on Macron's statement and how it was disjointed from reality.Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:17 pm Wow, I see that some of you are now enjoying at making comparisons between how fuckd the French are with their vaccine and how much better the UK is, as I recall no French or anybody made any comparison about your government mishandling of the pandemic.
But let's be honest, EVERYONE'S been piling on to the British governments mishandling of the pandemic over the last 12 months, including us Brits
It's almost like there are elections or something in Europe in 8 weeks time and their politicians are feeling some sort of pressure.....
No need for hyperboleSaint wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:58 pm TBH I'm far more bothered about Brazil. I have a horrible suspicion that we're about to see the complete collapse of a nation state, and due to Covid the rest of the world won't be in a position to mount a proper humanitarian response. It's going to get extremely bad
Well, might France be able to overtake the UK for 2nd doses? If so, then I don't think its the worst thing for Macron to say.Saint wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:10 pm UK Vaccination numbers
1st dose:
30,151,287
2nd dose:
3,527,481
France Vaccination numbers
1st dose
7.55 million
2nd dose:
2.64 million
So in a "few" weeks they need to administer 22 million odd doses to reach where the UK is right now.
Macron doing himself no favours at all
Seeing as virtually all the UK is going to be doing till is 2nd dose till Novovax or Moderna becomes available to us (or there's a significant increase in production from Pfizer/AZ) then no chance at all. We're still not seriously into second dose territory in the UK; that starts next week really, but the UK is already outpacing France there as well.dantedelew wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:05 pmWell, might France be able to overtake the UK for 2nd doses? If so, then I don't think its the worst thing for Macron to say.Saint wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:10 pm UK Vaccination numbers
1st dose:
30,151,287
2nd dose:
3,527,481
France Vaccination numbers
1st dose
7.55 million
2nd dose:
2.64 million
So in a "few" weeks they need to administer 22 million odd doses to reach where the UK is right now.
Macron doing himself no favours at all
This also follows Novavax’s decision to delay signing a deal with the EU. Looks like Novavax have got serious cold feet about dealing with the EU.Saint wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:59 pm Latest in the vaccine wars. Novavax production was supposed to be in the UK, then shipped to Europe for fill and finish before being returned to the UK. That would no longer appear to be the case (can't think why....). It's now going to travel just up the road to a GSK facility for fill and finish.
The UK gov is saying that this is just investing in UK Pharma, but does anyone believe that they would be doing this if Ursula hadn't put her foot in it?
Some gamesmanship going on somewhere.The EU official, who asked not to named as the talks are confidential, said the company had postponed signing a deal for weeks, citing legal issues in meetings with the bloc’s vaccine negotiators.
“They are slowing down the process of finishing the contract,” the official, who attended the meetings, told Reuters.
Informally, a Novavax executive had said a slow pace in negotiations was warranted because the company was having production problems, the EU official said.
A Novavax spokeswoman said in an email that talks with the EU over a supply deal continue, but declined to say more about the discussions.
Although there might have been a bit of Novavax wanting to simplify supply chain issues, I suspect GSK were put under a lot of pressure from HMG, and I wonder what sort of investment/tax-break has been offered. It appears that GSK are doing this at cost which is also a good look for them given that so far they've not had much public success in Covid stuffLobby wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:48 pmThis also follows Novavax’s decision to delay signing a deal with the EU. Looks like Novavax have got serious cold feet about dealing with the EU.Saint wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:59 pm Latest in the vaccine wars. Novavax production was supposed to be in the UK, then shipped to Europe for fill and finish before being returned to the UK. That would no longer appear to be the case (can't think why....). It's now going to travel just up the road to a GSK facility for fill and finish.
The UK gov is saying that this is just investing in UK Pharma, but does anyone believe that they would be doing this if Ursula hadn't put her foot in it?