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Kilcoyne rather than Porter you'd think

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:28 am Kilcoyne rather than Porter you'd think

Ah, did he get injured against Italy? I'll confess to not having given that game my full attention.

That may be a bit more manageable, but then I've no idea what sort of form Kilcoyne is in.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:33 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:28 am Kilcoyne rather than Porter you'd think

Ah, did he get injured against Italy? I'll confess to not having given that game my full attention.

That may be a bit more manageable, but then I've no idea what sort of form Kilcoyne is in.

Not sure. I gave up watching aft the hooker got sent off, the red card was the correct call but 15 vs 13 seemed a pointless watch. Porter is out for the 6N though with an ankle injury

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:36 am Time for Mighty Will Collier!

Gleeson seems like an absolute chancer but eh, what do I know. Maybe he'll revolutionise back play for the first time ever

Very, very much a chancer who's failed upwards due to Eddie's need for lickspittles as a coaching staff.

Sinkler fit, Dombrandt on bench

ENGLAND XV
15. Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers, 8 caps)
14. Max Malins (Saracens, 13 caps)
13. Joe Marchant (Harlequins, 10 caps)
12. Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 46 caps) (VC)
11. Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 37 caps)
10. Marcus Smith (Harlequins, 8 caps)
9. Harry Randall (Bristol Bears, 4 caps)
1. Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 34 caps)
2. Jamie George (Saracens, 64 caps) (VC)
3. Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, 50 caps)
4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 54 caps)
5. Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 29 caps)
6. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 91 caps) (C)
7. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 39 caps) (VC)
8. Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs, 12 caps)

FINISHERS 16. Jamie Blamire (Newcastle Falcons, 5 caps) 17. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 77 caps) 18. Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 18 caps) 19. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 69 caps) 20. Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins, 7 caps) 21. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 115 caps) 22. George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 79 caps) 23. Elliot Daly (Saracens, 55 caps)

Hard to argue too much with that

Yes, not too much to quibble.

I'd have liked to see Launch start and empty the tanks for 50 minutes.

Can't help, but feel one or even both of Nowell and Daly should be swapped out for someone a bit more exciting like Radwan, Hassell-Collins or Lozowski.

Otherwise there's not a huge amount else to change with the available personnel.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:12 pm Yes, not too much to quibble.

I'd have liked to see Launch start and empty the tanks for 50 minutes.

Can't help, but feel one or even both of Nowell and Daly should be swapped out for someone a bit more exciting like Radwan, Hassell-Collins or Lozowski.

Otherwise there's not a huge amount else to change with the available personnel.

Yep, +1

U20s line up for the weekend. Great to see Will Joseph back after a long time injured. Should be a tough game

England U20 v Ireland U20 Sat 7.15pm

15. George Hendy
14. Deago Bailey
13. Jacob Cusick
12. Ethan Grayson
11. Cassius Cleaves
10. Jamie Benson
9. Sam Edwards
1. Fin Baxter
2. John Stewart
3. Tim Hoyt
4. Lewis Chessum
5. Tom Lockett
6. Ewan Richards
7. Toby Knight
8. Emeka Ilione

Replacements

16. Finn Theobald-Thomas
17. Mark Dormer
18. Mike Summerfield
19. Chandler Cunningham-South
20. Lucas Brooke
21. Nye Thomas
22. Louie Johnson
23. Will Joseph

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:21 pm U20s line up for the weekend. Great to see Will Joseph back after a long time injured. Should be a tough game

England U20 v Ireland U20 Sat 7.15pm

15. George Hendy
14. Deago Bailey
13. Jacob Cusick
12. Ethan Grayson
11. Cassius Cleaves
10. Jamie Benson
9. Sam Edwards
1. Fin Baxter
2. John Stewart
3. Tim Hoyt
4. Lewis Chessum
5. Tom Lockett
6. Ewan Richards
7. Toby Knight
8. Emeka Ilione

Replacements

16. Finn Theobald-Thomas
17. Mark Dormer
18. Mike Summerfield
19. Chandler Cunningham-South
20. Lucas Brooke
21. Nye Thomas
22. Louie Johnson
23. Will Joseph

Disappointing that Arundell isn't playing. Based on their performances so far, this will be a very tough game for us.

Good to see Cleaves again.

Hope Fin Baxter - very highly rated at Quins - doesn't get bent in half again

Yeah, it's not been a vintage year so far. Richards being there will certainly strengthen the pack.

Arundell likely pulled for club duty at Welford Rd on Sat. Hendy's pretty decent too though.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:13 pm Good to see Cleaves again.

Hope Fin Baxter - very highly rated at Quins - doesn't get bent in half again

It's been pretty worrying from a front row perspective. Baxter's obviously got a big rep, but I don't see any of the others going all the way from this crop.

Given how Eddie has reacted to poor performances from individuals, hopefully it will be the last time we see Ewels...

Itoje was very very good today.

Youngs and Daly made the team worse.

tc27 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:40 pm Itoje was very very good today.

Youngs and Daly made the team worse.

Don't think hooking a relatively fresh Dombrandt for Launchbury improved matters either

tc27 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:40 pm Itoje was very very good today.

Youngs and Daly made the team worse.

Unquestionably and that shouldn't be ignored in the post-game analysis or hand-waved away by the fact it was 14 on 15 deep into the second half, though I suspect it will be.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:43 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:40 pm Itoje was very very good today.

Youngs and Daly made the team worse.

Don't think hooking a relatively fresh Dombrandt for Launchbury improved matters either

Can only assume Dombrandt was injured, it made zero sense otherwise.

James Lowe - 211 metres with ball in hand, 6 defenders beaten... Wonder if ASMO will ever change his mind about him

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:47 pm James Lowe - 211 metres with ball in hand, 6 defenders beaten... Wonder if ASMO will ever change his mind about him

Nah, he'll be focusing hard on how well Nowell played on the flank.

Daly - 4 attempted tackles, 3 missed...

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:44 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:43 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:40 pm Itoje was very very good today.

Youngs and Daly made the team worse.

Don't think hooking a relatively fresh Dombrandt for Launchbury improved matters either

Can only assume Dombrandt was injured, it made zero sense otherwise.

I assumed, because he had Covid in the week, the coaches thought that he might be running out of puff having played since the 2nd minute (or perhaps their computerized monitoring systems were saying he was slowing down). Either way, even if he was slowing a bit, it was still better to have a functioning back row on the field, rather than 3 locks.

As against Scotland, the only finishing Eddie’s ‘finishers’ managed, was to lose the game.

Pretty miserable day on the rugby front.

Supporting two different team, both conceding 1st half reds (Rona for LI too at Welford Rd). Both fair enough calls, but so deflating as a fan looking forward to the game.

Still think that England backline is a mess. Just doesn't feel coherent or balanced at all.

Eddie Jones has fucked England rugby for the next 5 years, it will take that long to get rid of the utter cesspit he has created Fuck him.

Lobby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:14 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:44 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:43 pm

Don't think hooking a relatively fresh Dombrandt for Launchbury improved matters either

Can only assume Dombrandt was injured, it made zero sense otherwise.

I assumed, because he had Covid in the week, the coaches thought that he might be running out of puff having played since the 2nd minute (or perhaps their computerized monitoring systems were saying he was slowing down). Either way, even if he was slowing a bit, it was still better to have a functioning back row on the field, rather than 3 locks.

As against Scotland, the only finishing Eddie’s ‘finishers’ managed, was to lose the game.

Dombrandt didn't come on in the 2nd minute, he came on for Curry and played 53 minutes.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:45 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:14 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:44 pm

Can only assume Dombrandt was injured, it made zero sense otherwise.

I assumed, because he had Covid in the week, the coaches thought that he might be running out of puff having played since the 2nd minute (or perhaps their computerized monitoring systems were saying he was slowing down). Either way, even if he was slowing a bit, it was still better to have a functioning back row on the field, rather than 3 locks.

As against Scotland, the only finishing Eddie’s ‘finishers’ managed, was to lose the game.

Dombrandt didn't come on in the 2nd minute, he came on for Curry and played 53 minutes.

Fair enough. Subbing him made even less sense then.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:16 pm Pretty miserable day on the rugby front.

Supporting two different team, both conceding 1st half reds (Rona for LI too at Welford Rd). Both fair enough calls, but so deflating as a fan looking forward to the game.

Still think that England backline is a mess. Just doesn't feel coherent or balanced at all.

We need some pace out wide. As much as I like Nowell, he is slow as molasses. Someone like Radwan needs to be given a go.

Flip side is that Nowell is the only person we have who carries aggressively and effectively in traffic.

geordie_6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:47 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:16 pm Pretty miserable day on the rugby front.

Supporting two different team, both conceding 1st half reds (Rona for LI too at Welford Rd). Both fair enough calls, but so deflating as a fan looking forward to the game.

Still think that England backline is a mess. Just doesn't feel coherent or balanced at all.

We need some pace out wide. As much as I like Nowell, he is slow as molasses. Someone like Radwan needs to be given a go.

Flip side is that Nowell is the only person we have who carries aggressively and effectively in traffic.

Yep, both have their uses, but if Malins and 2022 Nowell are your first choice wings as a Tier 1 nation, you've got an issue.

Especially with Steward at the back, who's safe, but never going to really threaten.

Unfortunately we got a glimpse of Steward's lack of pace when he turned to chase Lowe. Someone in the back three has to be replaced by a player with real gas.

Worryingly, Malins looked slow coming across and did lose the physical battle as well.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:18 pm Worryingly, Malins looked slow coming across and did lose the physical battle as well.

And he failed to make any yards with the ball - according to my fantasy team he made zero yards.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:18 pm Worryingly, Malins looked slow coming across and did lose the physical battle as well.

Yes I thought that too. This was probably Nowell's best game for England recently but by virtue of his work in the air and in traffic.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:43 pm Unfortunately we got a glimpse of Steward's lack of pace when he turned to chase Lowe. Someone in the back three has to be replaced by a player with real gas.

I always think its a bit harsh to compare a players pace on the turn.

That being said, I would definitely like him to get to know an Olympic sprint coach. Worked for Mike Brown, for a while...

Congrats England. Couldn’t watch the game but I see reading the rhetoric in the English press this morning it must have been a fine victory.

HKCJ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:18 am Congrats England. Couldn’t watch the game but I see reading the rhetoric in the English press this morning it must have been a fine victory.

Thanks for the input.

The Furlong challenge on Slade, how did it not prompt another look/discussion about sanctions?

Hard to know what to say about yesterday.
You cannot fault the effort or the courage there, I genuinely thought we were going to win around the 50 minute mark.
Ewels - fuck off. Hopefully the last time we see him in an England shirt. Don’t give me any ‘letter of the law’/unlucky stuff, just don’t get yourself in that position. Fortunately his team mates have had 25 caps worth of accommodating his empty shirt so we adapted pretty well.

Genge is approaching world XV status. How much fun was it seeing him tear into Furlong? How did Furlong not cop a card?

Nowell had his best game in ages, Randall was so clearly better than Youngs it’s a little embarrassing and Maro was everywhere.

All that said, it’s a big loss and another lost year. I can see a quality side emerging from this but it’s approaching now or never territory.
Ref was shit - another theme of this championship.

On one hand players saying how proud they were of the performance today...who am I to disagree?

On the other hand clearly a talented team with world class players in some positions but something badly wrong. Getting back to 15 all with 14 men doesn't really disguise a record defeat at home.

tc27 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:55 am On one hand players saying how proud they were of the performance today...who am I to disagree?

On the other hand clearly a talented team with world class players in some positions but something badly wrong. Getting back to 15 all with 14 men doesn't really disguise a record defeat at home.

Or how blunt we are in attack. Seen plenty of games with a red card, even an early one, where the disadvantaged team does more with the ball in hand.

The defensive effort was valiant for 70 minutes, but we never looked like sneaking a win.

HKCJ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:18 am Congrats England. Couldn’t watch the game but I see reading the rhetoric in the English press this morning it must have been a fine victory.

Thanks.
You've just wasted your once every 6 month post trolling on this thread.
Stick to the Scotland or match threads or just bugger off for another 6 months please