NPR

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:20 pm Kinghorn at fullback klaxon.

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:43 pm I thought it would be a 3 nil drubbing. This 2nd half has been superb.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:47 pm Sounds like Darge and Fagerson8 have had good games.

How has Thompson done since he came on?

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:53 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:43 pm I thought it would be a 3 nil drubbing. This 2nd half has been superb.

Wouldn’t say that, they have nearly had three tries, butchered a few themselves. Poor defensively but the pumas haven’t taken advantage.

But a lot better.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:47 pm Sounds like Darge and Fagerson8 have had good games.

How has Thompson done since he came on?

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:57 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:53 pm

Jock42 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:43 pm I thought it would be a 3 nil drubbing. This 2nd half has been superb.

Wouldn’t say that, they have nearly had three tries, butchered a few themselves. Poor defensively but the pumas haven’t taken advantage.

But a lot better.

I think you are being harsh. Sco's defence has been excellent and their breakdown work superb. Lost count how many Arg balls they have turned over.

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:16 pm OK, I feel a bit better after that scoreline. May not have been a vintage performance, but at least we still remember how to play.

Slightly concerned that both Hutch and Rowe went off injured. Did the injuries look bad?

LenCohen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:07 pm I can't shake the feeling that studio Hogg is actually Jonathan Watson doing a bit

I like neeps wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:44 am Looks a class win, I've been in Germany this weekend. Anyway to watch it back?

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:15 am I don’t think last week was as bad as many of us were making out, but similarly I don’t think last night was as good as some are suggesting. A few lucky breaks in last weeks game would have got us there or thereabouts, and we got the breaks last night.

westport wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:08 am Townsend declared Hutchinson doubtful for the series decider, while expressing fears that London Irish wing Rowe had suffered a "serious injury" after coming on to win his first cap.

I hope it is not too serious

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:19 pm Not trying to antagonise anyone but it’s a conversation that’s worth having.

I caveat all by saying I’ve only watched a 5 minute YouTube clip of the game and followed it live over BBC, NPR and Twitter…

However, the general feeling was that Kinghorn had another stinker at 10 then was decent at 15. Given there are 8/9 games until the WC I’d suggest that this should now be over. We need him to cover 15 and Fin and Hastings need all those games to be the top 2. I’d suggest that anything else is just the coaches being stubborn, there just can’t be any other reason to carry this on in the remaining games, and I include next week.

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:59 pm

To be honest though, to pick a restart as the top of his highlight reel probably illustrates where we are. Odd flash of brilliance but no control or instinct for the position.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:18 pm Just watched the game for the first time and to be honest I'm struggling to find much fault with that performance. The pack were very solid and very abrasive about the park. I thought collectively the starting front row, and in particular Schoeman, played a blinder. The back row were excellent and I think we have settled out best options there .Fagerson seems to have totally cemented the 8 jersey.

I thought Graham was superb, by far the best back on show and I also thought Kinghorn did okay. He really didn't do anything badly wrong. If anything it was Johnson that had a bit of a shocker as he failed to take three fairly straight forward passes from Kinghorn.

I also thought there was some pretty impressive try line defence when we were under the cosh in the last 10 minutes.

Usual causes for concern are restarts and line outs.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:20 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:18 pm Just watched the game for the first time and to be honest I'm struggling to find much fault with that performance. The pack were very solid and very abrasive about the park. I thought collectively the starting front row, and in particular Schoeman, played a blinder. The back row were excellent and I think we have settled out best options there .Fagerson seems to have totally cemented the 8 jersey.

I thought Graham was superb, by far the best back on show and I also thought Kinghorn did okay. He really didn't do anything badly wrong. If anything it was Johnson that had a bit of a shocker as he failed to take three fairly straight forward passes from Kinghorn.

I also thought there was some pretty impressive try line defence when we were under the cosh in the last 10 minutes.

Usual causes for concern are restarts and line outs.

I wrote on the Weedge forum about my preference for a third lineout jumper, and for me no one is keeping Jamie Ritchie out of the team, as harsh as it is that means Darge and Watson going head to head to start at 7.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:27 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:20 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:18 pm Just watched the game for the first time and to be honest I'm struggling to find much fault with that performance. The pack were very solid and very abrasive about the park. I thought collectively the starting front row, and in particular Schoeman, played a blinder. The back row were excellent and I think we have settled out best options there .Fagerson seems to have totally cemented the 8 jersey.

I thought Graham was superb, by far the best back on show and I also thought Kinghorn did okay. He really didn't do anything badly wrong. If anything it was Johnson that had a bit of a shocker as he failed to take three fairly straight forward passes from Kinghorn.

I also thought there was some pretty impressive try line defence when we were under the cosh in the last 10 minutes.

Usual causes for concern are restarts and line outs.

I wrote on the Weedge forum about my preference for a third lineout jumper, and for me no one is keeping Jamie Ritchie out of the team, as harsh as it is that means Darge and Watson going head to head to start at 7.

Yeah, sorry. Meant back row options for the final test. I think Watson it's just still ahead of Darge, especially if he carries on like this.

Dogbert wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:02 pm Always interesting to re-watch a Game without the emotion

The score flattered Scotland a bit , but not the result
Argentina could have kicked a number of Penalties to keep the scoreboard ticking over , they chose not to
Both starting Props had fine games , both in the set piece & in the loose , Hard Yards made , Tackles completed , No stupid penalties - see Zander - it can be done
Both Fagersons had probably their best games in a Scotland Shirt - Dempsey's arrival at Glasgow seems to have pushed M.Fagersons game on a level.

The Backrow worked

Gregor got the Team and the tactics right, He gets pelters when it doesn't go well , He should be praised when it goes right .

What do we do with Kinghorn though

He's a fine Rugby Player and I really hoped that this tour would allow him to see if he can step up to be an International 10 (surely that's what these tests are for ) , and he should be given the last test ..... but on the current showing he's just simply not where he needs to be playing

13 minutes out on the full
20 minutes Pop pass as Johnson hit milliseconds later the Argentine defender
25 Pass from Hutchinson to Kinghorn - who passed it to thin air , missing Duhan completely , attack breaks down
27 minutes - Gets Isolated on the deck - gives away a Penalty , Attack breaks down
37 Minutes - misses (fairly simple) conversion
45 another Pop pass to Johnson , who again gets hit milliseconds later by the Argentine defender
50 minutes to Full back
56 - Gets caught on a Run from Deep - another Penalty awarded against
67 minutes - great defensive tackle on 5 m line

That's pretty much it , no real attacking threat , and didn't have a hand in any of the tries , a lot the time Scotland used either Hutchinson , or Johnson as first receivers.
In an emergency , can he do a job at 10 - Of course , but I would put him into the Pete Horne category

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:08 pm

Dogbert wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:02 pm Always interesting to re-watch a Game without the emotion

The score flattered Scotland a bit , but not the result
Argentina could have kicked a number of Penalties to keep the scoreboard ticking over , they chose not to
Both starting Props had fine games , both in the set piece & in the loose , Hard Yards made , Tackles completed , No stupid penalties - see Zander - it can be done
Both Fagersons had probably their best games in a Scotland Shirt - Dempsey's arrival at Glasgow seems to have pushed M.Fagersons game on a level.

The Backrow worked

Gregor got the Team and the tactics right, He gets pelters when it doesn't go well , He should be praised when it goes right .

What do we do with Kinghorn though

He's a fine Rugby Player and I really hoped that this tour would allow him to see if he can step up to be an International 10 (surely that's what these tests are for ) , and he should be given the last test ..... but on the current showing he's just simply not where he needs to be playing

13 minutes out on the full
20 minutes Pop pass as Johnson hit milliseconds later the Argentine defender
25 Pass from Hutchinson to Kinghorn - who passed it to thin air , missing Duhan completely , attack breaks down
27 minutes - Gets Isolated on the deck - gives away a Penalty , Attack breaks down
37 Minutes - misses (fairly simple) conversion
45 another Pop pass to Johnson , who again gets hit milliseconds later by the Argentine defender
50 minutes to Full back
56 - Gets caught on a Run from Deep - another Penalty awarded against
67 minutes - great defensive tackle on 5 m line

That's pretty much it , no real attacking threat , and didn't have a hand in any of the tries , a lot the time Scotland used either Hutchinson , or Johnson as first receivers.
In an emergency , can he do a job at 10 - Of course , but I would put him into the Pete Horne category

That is ridiculous

And youse wonder why I come back at pish like that?

Dogbert wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:14 pm

Which part do you not agree with ?

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:17 pm

Dogbert wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:14 pm

Which part do you not agree with ?

For the most part the idea that Kinghorn operates in a vacuum with no external influences and that any Scottish breakdown in attack or defence is entirely his fault.