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Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:36 am**

I was never a fan.
I never understood the hype. He was just another quota player. He was lazy. He had a poor work rate. He was not a good captain. He was made captain only to fill the demographics of our country and please our political leaders.
Before and at the 2019 RWC I called him a decidedly average player.

And I stand by all of that.

HOWEVER

Since the Lions Series he is a transformed man. He puts in HUGE shifts every Test. He carries the ball, he hits the rucks, he tackles like a demon. He is captaining the Boks really well and leading the team on the field.

I am not sure what happened to transform him, but credit must be given to him and those around him.

What a player!
What a captain!

I am so happy that he is leading our Springbok Team!

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:41 am**

There is a lot made of his background and the trials he has endured as a player developing. It could not have been easy for him. Now that he is surrounded by an environment that took the time to get his head straight he has grown in leaps and bounds. Onwards and upwards

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:02 am**

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:41 am There is a lot made of his background and the trials he has endured as a player developing. It could not have been easy for him. Now that he is surrounded by an environment that took the time to get his head straight he has grown in leaps and bounds. Onwards and upwards

Did he skipper school and age-group sides, or were his leadership qualities recognised relatively late in his career?

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:03 am**

Chilli wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:36 am I was never a fan.
I never understood the hype. He was just another quota player. He was lazy. He had a poor work rate. He was not a good captain. He was made captain only to fill the demographics of our country and please our political leaders.
Before and at the 2019 RWC I called him a decidedly average player.

And I stand by all of that.

HOWEVER

Since the Lions Series he is a transformed man. He puts in HUGE shifts every Test. He carries the ball, he hits the rucks, he tackles like a demon. He is captaining the Boks really well and leading the team on the field.

I am not sure what happened to transform him, but credit must be given to him and those around him.

What a player!
What a captain!

I am so happy that he is leading our Springbok Team!

I second this completely. After being a big critic of him, I've become a massive fan. The last few matches he has been an outstanding player and captain. He really looks like he's enjoying himself out there too. Long may it continue

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:08 am**

Gumboot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:02 am
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:41 am There is a lot made of his background and the trials he has endured as a player developing. It could not have been easy for him. Now that he is surrounded by an environment that took the time to get his head straight he has grown in leaps and bounds. Onwards and upwards
Did he skipper school and age-group sides, or were his leadership qualities recognised relatively late in his career?

He was made Springbok captain when at WP.....but he was purely a quota player as Siya did not get the proper support for his issues and a proper training regime....He was spiralling downhill at a rapid rate . The Sharks took him over and got him onto programmes to improve his fitness and slowly brought him back into the game. I was one of his critics....he was really a passenger in the side prior. But it seems that the change in enviroment changed his game and attitude and I am one of his biggest fans currently. He deserves to lead the side...whereas before it was Duane Vermeulen getting all the credit.
He was made captain of the Stormers in 2017 and bok captain in 2018.
Previously he played 2 seasons of junior rugby for the boks.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:30 am**

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:08 am
Gumboot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:02 am
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:41 am There is a lot made of his background and the trials he has endured as a player developing. It could not have been easy for him. Now that he is surrounded by an environment that took the time to get his head straight he has grown in leaps and bounds. Onwards and upwards
Did he skipper school and age-group sides, or were his leadership qualities recognised relatively late in his career?
He was made Springbok captain when at WP.....but he was purely a quota player as Siya did not get the proper support for his issues and a proper training regime....He was spiralling downhill at a rapid rate . The Sharks took him over and got him onto programmes to improve his fitness and slowly brought him back into the game. I was one of his critics....he was really a passenger in the side prior. But it seems that the change in enviroment changed his game and attitude and I am one of his biggest fans currently. He deserves to lead the side...whereas before it was Duane Vermeulen getting all the credit.
He was made captain of the Stormers in 2017 and bok captain in 2018.
Previously he played 2 seasons of junior rugby for the boks.

Doesn't it get tiring to do this childish schtick every day?

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:40 am**

Yeah he's just brilliant now
Also amazed at his carrying through tackles
He's not a big guy for a loose forward but always makes yards

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:44 am**

I love his counter ruck. It's something he must have spent a lot of time working on.

Just goes in to what seems to be a lost cause, and just fucks shit up. I would hate seeing a player from the opposition doing that.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:14 am**

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:08 am
Gumboot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:02 am
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:41 am There is a lot made of his background and the trials he has endured as a player developing. It could not have been easy for him. Now that he is surrounded by an environment that took the time to get his head straight he has grown in leaps and bounds. Onwards and upwards
Did he skipper school and age-group sides, or were his leadership qualities recognised relatively late in his career?
He was made Springbok captain when at WP.....but he was purely a quota player as Siya did not get the proper support for his issues and a proper training regime....He was spiralling downhill at a rapid rate . The Sharks took him over and got him onto programmes to improve his fitness and slowly brought him back into the game. I was one of his critics....he was really a passenger in the side prior. But it seems that the change in enviroment changed his game and attitude and I am one of his biggest fans currently. He deserves to lead the side...whereas before it was Duane Vermeulen getting all the credit.
He was made captain of the Stormers in 2017 and bok captain in 2018.
Previously he played 2 seasons of junior rugby for the boks.

So you're saying he deserves to be the captain now but didn't when you lot won the RWC 2 years ago?

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:20 am**

So this thread is just a string of people saying they are rubbish at seeing talent in a young player?

Cool

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:22 am**

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:30 am
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:08 am
Gumboot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:02 am

Did he skipper school and age-group sides, or were his leadership qualities recognised relatively late in his career?
He was made Springbok captain when at WP.....but he was purely a quota player as Siya did not get the proper support for his issues and a proper training regime....He was spiralling downhill at a rapid rate . The Sharks took him over and got him onto programmes to improve his fitness and slowly brought him back into the game. I was one of his critics....he was really a passenger in the side prior. But it seems that the change in enviroment changed his game and attitude and I am one of his biggest fans currently. He deserves to lead the side...whereas before it was Duane Vermeulen getting all the credit.
He was made captain of the Stormers in 2017 and bok captain in 2018.
Previously he played 2 seasons of junior rugby for the boks.
Doesn't it get tiring to do this childish schtick every day?

Vok ja, it's obvious Sards hate him while playing for WP & Stormers who developed him as player and captain. Now he is the best next thing.

Kolisi was a good captain since leading WP.

Not sure if he captained Grey High.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:35 am**

He was very good for the most part between 2013-2017 but often poor during the first 2 years of his Bok captaincy. He’s always had carrying ability but went missing too often. Great to see him playing consistently well again.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:46 am**

Proves that alcohol isn’t good for a pro rugby player.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:08 am**

Memories are short.....most of us were saying Duane is the actual captain on the field.......

Nobody can say that now.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:09 am**

Gumboot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:14 am
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:08 am
Gumboot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:02 am

Did he skipper school and age-group sides, or were his leadership qualities recognised relatively late in his career?
He was made Springbok captain when at WP.....but he was purely a quota player as Siya did not get the proper support for his issues and a proper training regime....He was spiralling downhill at a rapid rate . The Sharks took him over and got him onto programmes to improve his fitness and slowly brought him back into the game. I was one of his critics....he was really a passenger in the side prior. But it seems that the change in enviroment changed his game and attitude and I am one of his biggest fans currently. He deserves to lead the side...whereas before it was Duane Vermeulen getting all the credit.
He was made captain of the Stormers in 2017 and bok captain in 2018.
Previously he played 2 seasons of junior rugby for the boks.
So you're saying he deserves to be the captain now but didn't when you lot won the RWC 2 years ago?

See post above

He is a completely different player since he moved to the Sharks......Hence this thread.

I take my hat off to him.....proved a lot of people wrong

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:12 am**

Big Nipper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:30 am
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:08 am
Gumboot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:02 am

Did he skipper school and age-group sides, or were his leadership qualities recognised relatively late in his career?
He was made Springbok captain when at WP.....but he was purely a quota player as Siya did not get the proper support for his issues and a proper training regime....He was spiralling downhill at a rapid rate . The Sharks took him over and got him onto programmes to improve his fitness and slowly brought him back into the game. I was one of his critics....he was really a passenger in the side prior. But it seems that the change in enviroment changed his game and attitude and I am one of his biggest fans currently. He deserves to lead the side...whereas before it was Duane Vermeulen getting all the credit.
He was made captain of the Stormers in 2017 and bok captain in 2018.
Previously he played 2 seasons of junior rugby for the boks.
Doesn't it get tiring to do this childish schtick every day?

kiss kiss big boy......

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:12 am**

Since winning the RWC I think his commitment has been unquestionable. There's been a noticeable uptick in his performances and he's 100% consistent now. He's gotten fitter, stronger and more confident is his play.

Biggest improvement has been is defensive work when wide. Being fitter has allowed him to be in the right place more often and it's shown. He's been absolutely rock solid and he draws very few penalties.

His captaincy has been solid throughout, understated at times. He picks his moments with referees well too. Best captain we've had since John Smit.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:14 am**

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:08 am Memories are short.....most of us were saying Duane is the actual captain on the field.......

Nobody can say that now.

Most of us Sharks supporters and Chilli.

You want to replace NieNaber 2 weeks back.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:00 am**

Agree on the sentiment here, he is playing and captaining really well this year. His head seems in the right place, his fitness has improved. It is what moving out of one's comfort zone can do to a person. Guys like Willemse, Bosch, ... should do the same.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:06 am**

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:20 am So this thread is just a string of people saying they are rubbish at seeing talent in a young player?

Cool

It is a thread to show that a person can improve themselves so much if they put their mind to it.

You should give it a try...........................................heaven knows you need it.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:08 am**

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:09 am

He is a completely different player since he moved to the Sharks......Hence this thread.

I'm not sure if moving to the Sharks and the upturn in his performance are directly linked, but the timing in right.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:09 am**

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:46 am Proves that alcohol isn’t good for a pro rugby player.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:14 am**

Gumboot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:14 am
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:08 am
Gumboot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:02 am

Did he skipper school and age-group sides, or were his leadership qualities recognised relatively late in his career?
He was made Springbok captain when at WP.....but he was purely a quota player as Siya did not get the proper support for his issues and a proper training regime....He was spiralling downhill at a rapid rate . The Sharks took him over and got him onto programmes to improve his fitness and slowly brought him back into the game. I was one of his critics....he was really a passenger in the side prior. But it seems that the change in enviroment changed his game and attitude and I am one of his biggest fans currently. He deserves to lead the side...whereas before it was Duane Vermeulen getting all the credit.
He was made captain of the Stormers in 2017 and bok captain in 2018.
Previously he played 2 seasons of junior rugby for the boks.
So you're saying he deserves to be the captain now but didn't when you lot won the RWC 2 years ago?

That is a fair statement.
His form was poor and leadership not very good.

However he has been OUTSTANDING of late.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:14 am**

Chilli wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:06 am
Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:20 am So this thread is just a string of people saying they are rubbish at seeing talent in a young player?

Cool
It is a thread to show that a person can improve themselves so much if they put their mind to it.

You should give it a try...........................................heaven knows you need it.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzing!

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:24 am**

Another golden call by Rassie.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:27 am**

handyman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:24 am Another golden call by Rassie.

Would rather say well done to the Sharks for making Siya achieve the potential Rassie saw in him.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:33 am**

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:27 am
handyman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:24 am Another golden call by Rassie.
Would rather say well done to the Sharks for making Siya achieve the potential Rassie saw in him.

Did Rassie pick and made Kolisi captain after his move to the saaks?

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:12 am**

handyman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:33 am
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:27 am
handyman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:24 am Another golden call by Rassie.
Would rather say well done to the Sharks for making Siya achieve the potential Rassie saw in him.
Did Rassie pick and made Kolisi captain after his move to the saaks?

Just celebrate our captain for being in the form of his life since joining the Sharks lad. Don't be a Karen

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:18 am**

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:12 am
handyman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:33 am
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:27 am

Would rather say well done to the Sharks for making Siya achieve the potential Rassie saw in him.
Did Rassie pick and made Kolisi captain after his move to the saaks?
Just celebrate our captain for being in the form of his life since joining the Sharks lad. Don't be a Karen

Get your facts straight boet, or I will call you out on it. I wasn't me who flounced for a week or 2, only to crawl back with tail between legs.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:19 am**

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:20 am So this thread is just a string of people saying they are rubbish at seeing talent in a young player?

Cool

Pretty much.

He's always had flashes of brilliance in pockets of his career.
It's more an indictment of his coaches that so few of them were able to create an environment where he could thrive.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:22 am**

handyman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:18 am
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:12 am
handyman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:33 am

Did Rassie pick and made Kolisi captain after his move to the saaks?
Just celebrate our captain for being in the form of his life since joining the Sharks lad. Don't be a Karen
Get your facts straight boet, or I will call you out on it. I wasn't me who flounced for a week or 2, only to crawl back with tail between legs.

Huh.....are you on meds. When did I flounce. When did I crawl back. You are making things up again.

And you will continue to be a Karen and deflect instead of acknowledging our captains remarkable form of late. Are you a hater dude

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:24 am**

Blake wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:19 am
Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:20 am So this thread is just a string of people saying they are rubbish at seeing talent in a young player?

Cool
Pretty much.

He's always had flashes of brilliance in pockets of his career.
It's more an indictment of his coaches that so few of them were able to create an environment where he could thrive.

There we go.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:27 am**

Going to the Sharks just made him realise how good he really is
Thanks Sharks

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:28 am**

Cartman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:27 am Going to the Sharks just made him realise how good he really is
Thanks Sharks

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:29 am**

If you go back to Rassie/Nienabers career as coach at the Stormers he brought Stormers players like Kolbey, de Allende, Duanne Vermeulen, Kolisi, PSdT, Etsebeth, Kitshoff, Bongie and Malherbe through the system. That's 9 current Springbok stars and the heart of the current Springboks.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:31 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:29 am If you go back to Rassie/Nienabers career as coach at the Stormers he brought Stormers players like Kolbey, de Allende, Duanne Vermeulen, Kolisi, PSdT, Etsebeth, Kitshoff, Bongie and Malherbe through the system. That's 9 current Springbok stars and the heart of the current Springboks.

You realize you are saying Rassie and Nienaber couldn't get the best out of Kolisi.

It needed the Sharks to do that.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:36 am**

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:31 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:29 am If you go back to Rassie/Nienabers career as coach at the Stormers he brought Stormers players like Kolbey, de Allende, Duanne Vermeulen, Kolisi, PSdT, Etsebeth, Kitshoff, Bongie and Malherbe through the system. That's 9 current Springbok stars and the heart of the current Springboks.

You realize you are saying Rassie and Nienaber couldn't get the best out of Kolisi.

It needed the Sharks to do that.

He let Willie go to the Sharks. That was a mistake and now we need to suffer.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:50 am**

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:22 am
handyman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:18 am
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:12 am

Just celebrate our captain for being in the form of his life since joining the Sharks lad. Don't be a Karen
Get your facts straight boet, or I will call you out on it. I wasn't me who flounced for a week or 2, only to crawl back with tail between legs.
Huh.....are you on meds. When did I flounce. When did I crawl back. You are making things up again.

And you will continue to be a Karen and deflect instead of acknowledging our captains remarkable form of late. Are you a hater dude

Ignorance is bliss.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:51 am**

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:31 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:29 am If you go back to Rassie/Nienabers career as coach at the Stormers he brought Stormers players like Kolbey, de Allende, Duanne Vermeulen, Kolisi, PSdT, Etsebeth, Kitshoff, Bongie and Malherbe through the system. That's 9 current Springbok stars and the heart of the current Springboks.

You realize you are saying Rassie and Nienaber couldn't get the best out of Kolisi.

It needed the Sharks to do that.

Kolisi is performing for the Boks, not for the saaks. Digging your own grave here boet.

Posted: **Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:03 am**

Blake wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:19 am
Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:20 am So this thread is just a string of people saying they are rubbish at seeing talent in a young player?

Cool
Pretty much.

He's always had flashes of brilliance in pockets of his career.
It's more an indictment of his coaches that so few of them were able to create an environment where he could thrive.

I don't think that is the spirit of this thread at all. It's an appreciation of his improvement from when he was first made Bok captain to now. Even during the RWC fans (myself included) were questioning his form. But the last 6 months his improvement has been monumental.

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