Week 3 France vs Springbokke

[OomStruisbaai]

Let's get this started.

[OomStruisbaai]

SA A vs Munster

South Africa ‘A’ – 15 Aphelele Fassi, 14 Suleiman Hartzenberg, 13 Henco van Wyk, 12 Cornal Hendricks, 11 Leolin Zas, 10 Johan Goosen, 9 Herschel Jantjies, 8 Jean-Luc du Preez, 7 Elrigh Louw, 6 Phepsi Buthelezi, 5 Ruan Nortje, 4 Jason Jenkins, 3 Thomas du Toit (c), 2 Joseph Dweba, 1 Ntuthuko Mchunu.
Subs: 16 Andre-Hugo Venter, 17 Simphiwe Matanzima, 18 Sazi Sandi, 19 Dan du Preez, 20 Sikhumbuzo Notshe, 21 Grant Williams, 22 Sanele Nohamba, 23 Gianni Lombard.

[Torquemada 1420]

I'll be there.


Expecting a manshaming after the Aus performance.

[OomStruisbaai]

Will use this thread for the SA A team vs Munster also.

[OomStruisbaai]

I'll be there.


Expecting a manshaming after the Aus performance.

You never can tell with France.

The Springboks use this week to adopt to their 2023 WC home.

[Torquemada 1420]

I'll be there.


Expecting a manshaming after the Aus performance.

You never can tell with France.

The Springboks use this week to adopt to their 2023 WC home.

Best atmosphere of all the intl grounds in France.

[OomStruisbaai]

Springbok team will be announce tomorrow. Look like Evan Roos and Manie Libbok will play

[OomStruisbaai]

France squad for Test against South Africa:

Gregory Alldritt, Uini Atonio, Cyril Baille, Alexandre Becognee, Pierre Bourgarit, Bastien Chalureau, Dylan Cretin, Sipili Falatea, Thibaud Flament, Mohamed Haouas, Anthony Jelonch, Jordan Joseph, Thomas Lavault, Sekou Macalou, Julien Marchand, Peato Mauvaka, Charles Ollivon, Remi Picquette, Dany Priso, Yoan Tanga, Romain Taofifenua, Reda Wardi, Cameron Woki, Pierre-Louis Barassi, Leo Berdeu, Pierre Boudehent, Anthony Bouthier, Baptiste Couilloud, Jonathan Danty, Ethan Dumortier, Antoine Dupont, Samuel Ezeala, Gael Fickou, Emilien Gailleton, Matthieu Jalibert, Matthis Lebel, Maxime Lucu, Yoram Moefana, Romain Ntamack, Damian Penaud, Alivereti Raka, Thomas Ramos.

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Springboks – 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cheslin Kolbe, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Kurt-Lee Arendse, 10 Damian Willemse, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Siya Kolisi (c), 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 Ox Nche.
Subs: 16 Malcolm Marx, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Marvin Orie, 20 Kwagga Smith, 21 Cobus Reinach, 22 Manie Libbok, 23 Makazole Mapimpi.

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SA Rugby

One of the changes was injury enforced as Lood suffered a shoulder injury against Ireland, while we opted to make a few tactical personnel changes for the challenge that we expect France to pose,” said Nienaber.

“We know what each of the players in this squad can do, and we thought these combinations fit this specific game.

“A guy like Cobus will also bring a different dimension to our attack, and it a bonus that he knows the conditions in France and has also played with some of their players.

“Manie, meanwhile, has showed his big match temperament in the Vodacom United Rugby Championship and he has been training well since joining the team, so if he gets a run, it will be a great occasion to make his Test debut. It is going to be a challenging game, but it doesn’t get better than playing against the second ranked team in the world on your debut.”

Manie Libbok is the only uncapped player included in the match-23 for the Test against France.
Manie Libbok is the only uncapped player included in the match-23 for the Test against France.

Nienaber expected a big onslaught from the French and said this would be a good test for the team with an eye on next year’s Rugby World Cup, which will be hosted in France.

“France have showed in the last year what a force they can be, and they come off a morale-boosting victory against Australia, so we know we are in for,” said Nienaber.

“Facing France, who are ranked second in the world, on their home patch at what we expect will be a full stadium is great preparation for next year, as the players will experience first-hand what they are in for.

“We will also be playing at this stadium during the World Cup, so this match will be good for us in many ways.”

Looking at the threat France could pose, Nienaber said: “They have a good pack of forwards who pride themselves on their set pieces and talented backs who can spark something from nothing, so they will test us all around.

“That said, we know what our players are capable of, and if we had capitalised on more of our opportunities against Ireland we could have been on the right end of the scoreboard. The reality is that we lost against the best team in the world at home in front of a capacity crowd by three points.

“We’ve spoken about what went wrong last week and we are working hard on rectifying those areas so that we can we play our potential and make the nation proud this weekend.”

Looking at the threat France could pose, Nienaber said: “They have a good pack of forwards who pride themselves on their set pieces and talented backs who can spark something from nothing, so they will test us all around.

“That said, we know what our players are capable of, and if we had capitalised on more of our opportunities against Ireland we could have been on the right end of the scoreboard. The reality is that we lost against the best team in the world at home in front of a capacity crowd by three points.

“We’ve spoken about what went wrong last week and we are working hard on rectifying those areas so that we can we play our potential and make the nation proud this weekend.”

Franco Mostert and Bongi Mbonambi will both start against France on Saturday.
Franco Mostert and Bongi Mbonambi will both start against France on Saturday.

Springbok team to face France in Marseille:

15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 80 caps, 65 pts (13t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulon) – 21 caps, 53 pts (10t, 1p)
13 – Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles) – 57 caps, 60 pts (12t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Wild Knights) – 67 caps, 45 pts (9t)
11 – Kurt-Lee Arendse (Vodacom Bulls) – 4 caps, 15 pts (3t)
10 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 24 caps, 22 pts (1t, 4c, 3p)
9 – Faf de Klerk (Canon Eagles) – 43 caps, 25 pts (5t)

8 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 19 caps, 5 pts (1t)
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (Toyota Verblitz) – 65 caps, 15 pts (3t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 72 caps, 40 pts (8t)
5 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 60 caps, 15 pts (3t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Cell C Sharks) – 107 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 55 caps, 5 pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (Cell C Sharks) – 53 caps, 55 pts (11t)
1 – Ox Nche (Cell C Sharks) – 16 caps, 0 pts

Replacements:

16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 56 caps, 65 pts (13t)
17 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 68 caps, 5 pts (1t)
18 – Vincent Koch (unattached) – 39 caps, 0 pts
19 – Marvin Orie (DHL Stormers) – 8 caps, 0 pts
20 – Kwagga Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs) – 28 caps, 15 pts (3t)
21 – Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) – 22 caps, 40 pts (8t)
22 – Manie Libbok (DHL Stormers) – uncapped
23 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 34 caps, 110 pts (22t)

Springbok record against France:

Played 44; Won 27; Lost 11; Drawn 6; Points for: 939, Points against: 662; Tries scored 105, Tries conceded 59; Highest score 52-10; Biggest win 42 points. Win % 61%.

Milestones:

Jesse Kriel is the only player in the squad who has scored more than one try against France. He is currently on three tries.
Siya Kolisi holds the most Test caps against France in the Springbok squad, with six Tests played.
Eben Etzebeth is the second most capped Springbok lock with 107 Tests.
Miscellaneous:

The total Test caps for the Springbok starting line-up is 725.
There are 278 caps in the backline, with 447 caps amongst the forwards. On the bench there are a further 255
The average caps per player in the backline are 39, the forwards 55, while the players on the bench average 31.

[dabooldawg]

Mapimpi dropped to the bench.

Why does God hate me.

[OomStruisbaai]

Mapimpi dropped to the bench.

Why does God hate me.

He could not field his Sharks team mate, Hendricks box kicks.

[boere wors]

Mapimpi dropped to the bench.

Why does God hate me.

deserves a little rest, plays week in week out

[OomStruisbaai]

Mapimpi dropped to the bench.

Why does God hate me.

deserves a little rest, plays week in week out

I like the look of our bench. If we can keep it close up to 50 mins we'll be in a good position. The biggest worry of the starting XV is the breakdown. With Marx, Kitshoff and no Duanne we'll struggle on the floor. PSdT, Kolisi and Wiese is backline players.

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France – 15 Thomas Ramos, 14 Damian Penaud, 13 Gael Fickou, 12 Jonathan Danty, 11 Yoram Moefana, 10 Romain Ntamack, 9 Antoine Dupont (c), 8 Gregory Alldritt, 7 Charles Ollivon, 6 Anthony Jelonch, 5 Thibaud Flament, 4 Cameron Woki, 3 Uini Atonio, 2 Julien Marchand, 1 Cyril Baille.
Subs: 16 Peato Mauvaka, 17 Reda Wardi, 18 Sipili Falatea, 19 Romain Taofifenua, 20 Bastien Chalureau, 21 Sekou Macalou, 22 Maxime Lucu, 23 Matthieu Jalibert.

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Apparently the game is now in Paris according to PR. Seems someone told the idiot otherwise and he updated the article
https://www.planetrugby.com/news/autumn ... ounce-back

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France – 15 Thomas Ramos, 14 Damian Penaud, 13 Gael Fickou, 12 Jonathan Danty, 11 Yoram Moefana, 10 Romain Ntamack, 9 Antoine Dupont (c), 8 Gregory Alldritt, 7 Charles Ollivon, 6 Anthony Jelonch, 5 Thibaud Flament, 4 Cameron Woki, 3 Uini Atonio, 2 Julien Marchand, 1 Cyril Baille.
Subs: 16 Peato Mauvaka, 17 Reda Wardi, 18 Sipili Falatea, 19 Romain Taofifenua, 20 Bastien Chalureau, 21 Sekou Macalou, 22 Maxime Lucu, 23 Matthieu Jalibert.

Looks weak.

[OomStruisbaai]

Looks weak.

How many poachers starting?

[laurent]

Looks weak.

How many poachers starting?

1 racist (Chalureau) on the bench so count him as a Saffer and one Atonio starting.

[Torquemada 1420]

Looks weak.

How many poachers starting?

1 racist (Chalureau) on the bench so count him as a Saffer and one Atonio starting.

What is it with Montpellier players and prison?

[OomStruisbaai]

Back in the day we use to played a series of 3 tests against France.

[Marylandolorian]

How many poachers starting?

1 racist (Chalureau) on the bench so count him as a Saffer and one Atonio starting.

What is it with Montpellier players and prison?

Ffs did you see the owner ?

I think Chalureau got in trouble , you know the classic (alcohol/late night/drunk/fight) the year he was with the ST ,

[laurent]

1 racist (Chalureau) on the bench so count him as a Saffer and one Atonio starting.

What is it with Montpellier players and prison?

Ffs did you see the owner ?

I think Chalureau got in trouble , you know the classic (alcohol/late night/drunk/fight) the year he was with the ST ,

A bit more than this...

[Sards]

We are going to get a hiding

[OomStruisbaai]

We are going to get a hiding

Yep , France will take us apart.

I just want the Boks to play more attacking rugby, nothing more. But I got a better chance of getting pregnant.

[Sards]

Going to miss this one as we are away......best of luck to Bokke

[OomStruisbaai]

Wiese out, Kwagga starts, Fourie on the bench.

Springboks – 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cheslin Kolbe, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Kurt-Lee Arendse, 10 Damian Willemse, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Kwagga Smith, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Siya Kolisi (c), 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 Ox Nche.
Subs: 16 Malcolm Marx, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Marvin Orie, 20 Deon Fourie, 21 Cobus Reinach, 22 Manie Libbok, 23 Makazole Mapimpi.

[assfly]

A missed opportunity to start Roos. Just seems crazy to put Kwagga there who is such a different player to Wiese.

I can see Roos going this whole tour with no game time at all, like many others.

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A missed opportunity to start Roos. Just seems crazy to put Kwagga there who is such a different player to Wiese.

I can see Roos going this whole tour with no game time at all, like many others.

Roos would be a like for like replacement for Wiese. But we need one loose forward to play to the ball. Kwagga is perfect with his speed and 7s skills. Fourie play the same. He should have started. Kwagga when it open up.

I am feeling actually a bit more confident about this test. Just wish we play more attacking.

[assfly]

We are wasting caps on Fourie. That bench spot should go to someone else.

[OomStruisbaai]

Fourie played in France. He and Etsebeth to unlock their lineout calls. Daan Human also spent time in France.

[_Os_]

Kenya have just lost 85-0 to Portugal, I stopped watching early because it was too one sided. Assfly's men will not be play in a RWC in my lifetime at this rate.

Nam play Spain in an hour.

[FalseBayFC]

If they lose tonight, Nienaber's win ratio will be 55%. Nearly Straueli tier success rate.

[_Os_]

Nam 15 v 34 Spain. Nam were in the game going into the last 20 minutes (only 5 points down), defence was nowhere near good enough (conceded two tries in the last 20 minutes from lineouts on their line). Nam attack was frustrating, you could see individually they were better than Spain but it was scrappy and they struggled to build phases. Nam also collected a crazy amount of cards, I lost track of how many, they played with 14 for a lot of that.

Allister Coetzee who is Nam coach came up with a classic excuse post-match. He blamed the stadium not having lights, when the match was played in daylight.

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Ox next time you send link please. I played rugby in Namibia on my day and would enjoy watching them

[_Os_]

If they lose tonight, Nienaber's win ratio will be 55%. Nearly Straueli tier success rate.

Not the win ratio stuff again. Everyone said HM was brilliant because he had a high win ratio, I kept pointing out it was meaningless because he had won nothing and hadn't beaten the best sides (1 win from 8 against the All Blacks). There was some moron (a Saffa living in Europe from memory) on PR trying to tell me HM was a better coach than Craven pre-2015 RWC, because of win ratio!

A lot of people are massively underestimating the Boks, they're totally capable beating any opponent. It wouldn't be at all surprising if they won with room to spare in this match.

[PCPhil]

Really looking forward to this one. But then again I could say that about any match featuring France over the last couple of years.

[FalseBayFC]

If they lose tonight, Nienaber's win ratio will be 55%. Nearly Straueli tier success rate.

Not the win ratio stuff again. Everyone said HM was brilliant because he had a high win ratio, I kept pointing out it was meaningless because he had won nothing and hadn't beaten the best sides (1 win from 8 against the All Blacks). There was some moron (a Saffa living in Europe from memory) on PR trying to tell me HM was a better coach than Craven pre-2015 RWC, because of win ratio!

A lot of people are massively underestimating the Boks, they're totally capable beating any opponent. It wouldn't be at all surprising if they won with room to spare in this match.

I hope they win, but do you not think that the Boks have underperformed results wise since the RWC? Overall Eddie Jones and even Ian Foster have much better win ratios than Erasmus and Nienaber combined or individually. How else do you judge coaches? Sure Nienaber is bringing in new talent but our game is not evolving at all.

[_Os_]

Ox next time you send link please. I played rugby in Namibia on my day and would enjoy watching them

Only a two match tour, Canada next Saturday but that fixture clashes with the Bok match. Squad looks like local players, they going through a bit of a rebuild.

[_Os_]

I hope they win, but do you not think that the Boks have underperformed results wise since the RWC? Overall Eddie Jones and even Ian Foster have much better win ratios than Erasmus and Nienaber combined or individually. How else do you judge coaches? Sure Nienaber is bringing in new talent but our game is not evolving at all.

Eddie Jones just lost to the Pumas at home in November. The Pumas have had 4 shots at us through 2021 and 2022 ("since the RWC" sounds bigger than it is, the season we're in is the only uninterrupted one since then), how many times did the Pumas beat the Boks over those 4 matches? Wales just got destroyed by the All Blacks at home in November, again what has been our record against the ABs and Wales.

The Boks won the Lions Series in 2021 and this season got beaten in the RC by a single log point. If Eddie Jones' England is going better than the Boks over the last two seasons, then can you point to what they've won, what are their 6N log placings?

I can't help you if you're going on win ratio and ignoring the actual matches and results, who is winning competitions and who isn't. Crazy this conversation is even happening.