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Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:49 am
by Sandstorm
Can't remember more than a couple this whole season - I think Libbok knocked one over for the Stormers and I think I saw one in France.....?

The RWC is starting this week - do we think any 10s out there are even practising them? They have led to a few semi-important mmoents in history:

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Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:53 am
by _Os_
Fuck me this is a brave thread to start on the eve of a RWC! :eek:

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:00 am
by assfly
If we use them we'll be accused of killing the game.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:06 am
by Lobby
You missed this one. Although not a RWC, it was pretty important in giving the Lions a series victory.

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Somewhat ironically, Guscott was one of the few backs in the team who never practised kicking drop goals

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:00 pm
by LoveOfTheGame
This one hurt

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Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:03 pm
by _Os_
LoveOfTheGame wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:00 pm This one hurt

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Oof.

It's also why SS was a doos for starting this thread, tempting fate, ffs. :mad:

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:01 pm
by PornDog
Crowley scored one to win the URC semi final this year against Leinster :sad:

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:11 pm
by Sandstorm
PornDog wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:01 pm Crowley scored one to win the URC semi final this year against Leinster :sad:
That’s the one I forgot!!

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:14 pm
by petej
Burns in the previous years prem final for tigers

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:38 pm
by OomStruisbaai
_Os_ wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:03 pm
LoveOfTheGame wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:00 pm This one hurt

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Oof.

It's also why SS was a doos for starting this thread, tempting fate, ffs. :mad:
Vok I'll never forgot that drop. I was on my way to Wales to watch that 99 final and this happened. At least saw the 3rd place vs All Blacks in stead and Wallabies vs France final.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:50 pm
by tabascoboy

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:52 pm
by fishfoodie


Awesome, awesome match, with the perfect finish

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:45 pm
by Gumboot
Zinzan Brooke kicked three drop goals in test matches:

vs England in the '95 RWC semi-final

vs SA in our first series win there in '96

vs Wales in '97



Incredible player.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:09 pm
by Uncle fester
Ross Byrne got a brilliant one at the end of the Heineken Cup final this year to snatch the win for Leinster.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:55 pm
by fishfoodie
Uncle fester wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:09 pm Ross Byrne got a brilliant one at the end of the Heineken Cup final this year to snatch the win for Leinster.
I remember it well, I'd just finished the 2nd bottle of Absinthe, & the gorgeous redhead was enthralled by my wit, & I knew it would be a good night .....

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:47 am
by average joe
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They say he's been practising all week.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 6:06 am
by lemonhead
fishfoodie wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:52 pm

Awesome, awesome match, with the perfect finish
Honestly, while I watched every minute we did a lot of good work early first half and got nowhere near the whitewash. Moment of magic for Thomas and that strike salvaged everything.

Up to then was getting annoyed at how reductive we looked under peak Schmidt. Cue a very special year - momentum gets you a very long way.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:29 pm
by Niegs
Would rather use that pen advantage to get a catch-and-drive in the corner, seemingly. In open play, can keep crawling to the line with the forwards or spin wide when defence overcommits to said forward one out play.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:02 pm
by fishfoodie
Niegs wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:29 pm Would rather use that pen advantage to get a catch-and-drive in the corner, seemingly. In open play, can keep crawling to the line with the forwards or spin wide when defence overcommits to said forward one out play.
It can be a very risky play.

First off you need a hooker calm under pressure, & you have to execute the catch & drive perfectly, as we're increasingly seeing the attacking side pinged for folding players in front of the catcher, & being held up now means giving back possession.

If your like Ireland, & you can get by with a penalty, they ran the phases, & it was only some extraordinary discipline by France that they didn't concede one in all those phases, & Ireland had to take the drop goal, or risk coughing up a penalty, or making a mistake themselves.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:44 pm
by Rhubarb & Custard
You often need a few phases to work the ball into drop goal position, and that's quite a few chances the other side gets to force a turnover or penalty given many sides don't want the ball.

Once you don't action getting through the phases to take a drop you'd be less likely to try.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:59 pm
by Paddington Bear
It’s a massively underused tactic if you have a decent kicker

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:03 pm
by fishfoodie
Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:59 pm It’s a massively underused tactic if you have a decent kicker
I tend to agree, it's always good to keep the scoreboard ticking over.

It's probably good that SA can't find a decent kicker, as with their pack they'd clean up.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 10:11 pm
by Uncle fester
fishfoodie wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:55 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:09 pm Ross Byrne got a brilliant one at the end of the Heineken Cup final this year to snatch the win for Leinster.
I remember it well, I'd just finished the 2nd bottle of Absinthe, & the gorgeous redhead was enthralled by my wit, & I knew it would be a good night .....
And the way her twin sister Sally might look at you...

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:39 pm
by Sandstorm
Ford. Nice.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:42 pm
by Sandstorm
Ok, now he’s taking the piss! :mad:

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:42 pm
by Hugo
Jannie De Beer eat your heart out!

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:48 pm
by Sandstorm
Pfft. Only 3?


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Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:49 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Ford in 5th gear

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:55 pm
by C69
Re OP


No

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Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:56 pm
by Flockwitt
Great bump :grin:

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 2:21 am
by Line6 HXFX
You should only be allowed 2 (maybe 1) a game. Having it as a tactic and a way to win matches from the get go, can be pretty unstoppable. Rugby shouldn't be about that. But if your one drop goal is used to win a match at the death, fine.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 2:29 am
by Niegs
Line6 HXFX wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 2:21 am You should only be allowed 2 (maybe 1) a game. Having it as a tactic and a way to win matches from the get go, can be pretty unstoppable. Rugby shouldn't be about that. So if it is used to win a match at the death, fine.
Don't let teams get close. Sames with not giving away penalties if they have a great kicker / unstoppable driving maul. Or being sure of your handling when your scrum is shit.

Or maybe think out of the box and position a fast fcuker in a position to charge down/pressure.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:24 am
by Line6 HXFX
If you are only allowed one to win... in a close game, it will create tension, it is much more expected and be far more exciting.

If you are allowed unlimited drop goals, and incorporate these into your general play, rugby matches will be all about getting into position and kicking them, and yes they are pretty much unstoppable when done correctly, you have about as much hope as charging down a penalty as a drop goal.
It's not that I don't like them, it's just a shitty, cunty way to score.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 7:36 am
by shaggy
Line6 HXFX wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:24 am If you are only allowed one to win... in a close game, it will create tension, it is much more expected and be far more exciting.

If you are allowed unlimited drop goals, and incorporate these into your general play, rugby matches will be all about getting into position and kicking them, and yes they are pretty much unstoppable when done correctly, you have about as much hope as charging down a penalty as a drop goal.
It's not that I don't like them, it's just a shitty, cunty way to score.
Shittier and cuntier than cheating, such as feigning injury to get a player penalised and reduce the number of the opposing team, or continued scrum shenanigans to increase the penalty count?

Drop goals are legal, suck it up princess.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:14 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
Line6 HXFX wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:24 am If you are only allowed one to win... in a close game, it will create tension, it is much more expected and be far more exciting.

If you are allowed unlimited drop goals, and incorporate these into your general play, rugby matches will be all about getting into position and kicking them, and yes they are pretty much unstoppable when done correctly, you have about as much hope as charging down a penalty as a drop goal.
It's not that I don't like them, it's just a shitty, cunty way to score.
That's a lot of words to say you like shitty, cunty ways to score

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:57 am
by Lobby
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:14 am
Line6 HXFX wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:24 am If you are only allowed one to win... in a close game, it will create tension, it is much more expected and be far more exciting.

If you are allowed unlimited drop goals, and incorporate these into your general play, rugby matches will be all about getting into position and kicking them, and yes they are pretty much unstoppable when done correctly, you have about as much hope as charging down a penalty as a drop goal.
It's not that I don't like them, it's just a shitty, cunty way to score.
That's a lot of words to say you like shitty, cunty ways to score
I'm just surprised that he didn't claim that only posh Tory teams use drop goals and that honest, toiling Wales under their Messiah, Gatland, would never resort to such underhand tactics. Of course, if it had been Wales who kicked three drop goals to create score board pressure, he'd be claiming it was a tactical masterstroke.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:09 am
by C69
Lobby wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:57 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:14 am
Line6 HXFX wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:24 am If you are only allowed one to win... in a close game, it will create tension, it is much more expected and be far more exciting.

If you are allowed unlimited drop goals, and incorporate these into your general play, rugby matches will be all about getting into position and kicking them, and yes they are pretty much unstoppable when done correctly, you have about as much hope as charging down a penalty as a drop goal.
It's not that I don't like them, it's just a shitty, cunty way to score.
That's a lot of words to say you like shitty, cunty ways to score
I'm just surprised that he didn't claim that only posh Tory teams use drop goals and that honest, toiling Wales under their Messiah, Gatland, would never resort to such underhand tactics. Of course, if it had been Wales who kicked three drop goals to create score board pressure, he'd be claiming it was a tactical masterstroke.
Sorry but that is complete bollocks as much bollocks as his post tbf.
I will take Wales beating Fiji by doing what England did yesterday.

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:12 am
by Paddington Bear
Lobby wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:57 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:14 am
Line6 HXFX wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:24 am If you are only allowed one to win... in a close game, it will create tension, it is much more expected and be far more exciting.

If you are allowed unlimited drop goals, and incorporate these into your general play, rugby matches will be all about getting into position and kicking them, and yes they are pretty much unstoppable when done correctly, you have about as much hope as charging down a penalty as a drop goal.
It's not that I don't like them, it's just a shitty, cunty way to score.
That's a lot of words to say you like shitty, cunty ways to score
I'm just surprised that he didn't claim that only posh Tory teams use drop goals and that honest, toiling Wales under their Messiah, Gatland, would never resort to such underhand tactics. Of course, if it had been Wales who kicked three drop goals to create score board pressure, he'd be claiming it was a tactical masterstroke.
‘Does the drop goal vote Conservative?’ - the greatest thread in the history of the internet, shut down after 1,246 pages

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:19 am
by Lobby
C69 wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:09 am
Lobby wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:57 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:14 am

That's a lot of words to say you like shitty, cunty ways to score
I'm just surprised that he didn't claim that only posh Tory teams use drop goals and that honest, toiling Wales under their Messiah, Gatland, would never resort to such underhand tactics. Of course, if it had been Wales who kicked three drop goals to create score board pressure, he'd be claiming it was a tactical masterstroke.
Sorry but that is complete bollocks as much bollocks as his post tbf.
I will take Wales beating Fiji by doing what England did yesterday.
Its not a dig at Wales you twat, but your alter ego, Refry

Re: Are drop-goals a dying breed?

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:20 am
by C69
Lobby wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:19 am
C69 wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:09 am
Lobby wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:57 am

I'm just surprised that he didn't claim that only posh Tory teams use drop goals and that honest, toiling Wales under their Messiah, Gatland, would never resort to such underhand tactics. Of course, if it had been Wales who kicked three drop goals to create score board pressure, he'd be claiming it was a tactical masterstroke.
Sorry but that is complete bollocks as much bollocks as his post tbf.
I will take Wales beating Fiji by doing what England did yesterday.
Its not a dig at Wales you twat, but your alter ego, Refry
That's so 2005