NPR

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:28 pm Got to say, if the reports are true that they attacked police and tried to take their guns I don’t have much sympathy. Fuck them, frankly

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:31 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:28 pm Got to say, if the reports are true that they attacked police and tried to take their guns I don’t have much sympathy. Fuck them, frankly

I've not seen anything credible to suggest that was the case

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:34 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:31 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:28 pm Got to say, if the reports are true that they attacked police and tried to take their guns I don’t have much sympathy. Fuck them, frankly

I've not seen anything credible to suggest that was the case

Even if not, 3 officers in hospital and a female officer with a broken nose should cover it

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:42 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:34 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:31 pm

I've not seen anything credible to suggest that was the case

Even if not, 3 officers in hospital and a female officer with a broken nose should cover it

I'm guessing 2 of those officers are fine and the 'hospital treatment' thing is a formality for any bumps and bruises sustained in an incident like that. Certainly only the female officer on the video looked visibly injured.

Honestly, no matter how much of a piece of shit the guy they were trying to arrest is, you can't stamp on his head when he's subdued and the threat is over. That's not policing

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:39 pm There is a guy lying on the ground getting tasered. He turns his head towards the police officer and the officer kicks him hard in the face. The police officer then stamps on his head. Then he drops his knee into the kidneys of the guy lying on the ground, the guy he's booted and stamped on after tasering.

Are we agreed on that?

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:47 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:39 pm There is a guy lying on the ground getting tasered. He turns his head towards the police officer and the officer kicks him hard in the face. The police officer then stamps on his head. Then he drops his knee into the kidneys of the guy lying on the ground, the guy he's booted and stamped on after tasering.

Are we agreed on that?

Yup, plus after that officer stampy moves on to another man - who is sat on a chair hands behind his head - who complies with the order to get down, but is apparently not doing it at the pace stampy would like because by the time the guy has gotten off the chair and onto his knees on the ground, stampy decides to kick him in the legs and then hit him in the head with his taser.

There's absolutely no excuse for it. Whatever these men might have attempted prior to the video, they clearly present no active threat and officer stampy is out of control violent towards them. Armed officers are supposed to be the best trained and most responsible of our officers. It's untenable for one to lose their cool like this.

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:28 pm Got to say, if the reports are true that they attacked police and tried to take their guns I don’t have much sympathy. Fuck them, frankly

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:54 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:47 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:39 pm There is a guy lying on the ground getting tasered. He turns his head towards the police officer and the officer kicks him hard in the face. The police officer then stamps on his head. Then he drops his knee into the kidneys of the guy lying on the ground, the guy he's booted and stamped on after tasering.

Are we agreed on that?

Yup, plus after that officer stampy moves on to another man - who is sat on a chair hands behind his head - who complies with the order to get down, but is apparently not doing it at the pace stampy would like because by the time the guy has gotten off the chair and onto his knees on the ground, stampy decides to kick him in the legs and then hit him in the head with his taser.

There's absolutely no excuse for it. Whatever these men might have attempted prior to the video, they clearly present no active threat and officer stampy is out of control violent towards them. Armed officers are supposed to be the best trained and most responsible of our officers. It's untenable for one to lose their cool like this.

Right, now you have just pissed me off. Armed officers are considered workshy lazy bastards, looking for a cushy number. When I joined the job, they tried to press all ex forces into being armed. My tutor, who was ex SAS, basically said the first thing that should preclude your from carrying a gun in the polis is actually bloody volunteering.

Just for the record, Detectives are the best trained and most responsible and I'll hear no more said about it.

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:54 pm Just for the record, Detectives are the best trained and most responsible and I'll hear no more said about it.

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:54 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:47 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:39 pm There is a guy lying on the ground getting tasered. He turns his head towards the police officer and the officer kicks him hard in the face. The police officer then stamps on his head. Then he drops his knee into the kidneys of the guy lying on the ground, the guy he's booted and stamped on after tasering.

Are we agreed on that?

Yup, plus after that officer stampy moves on to another man - who is sat on a chair hands behind his head - who complies with the order to get down, but is apparently not doing it at the pace stampy would like because by the time the guy has gotten off the chair and onto his knees on the ground, stampy decides to kick him in the legs and then hit him in the head with his taser.

There's absolutely no excuse for it. Whatever these men might have attempted prior to the video, they clearly present no active threat and officer stampy is out of control violent towards them. Armed officers are supposed to be the best trained and most responsible of our officers. It's untenable for one to lose their cool like this.

Right, now you have just pissed me off. Armed officers are considered workshy lazy bastards, looking for a cushy number. When I joined the job, they tried to press all ex forces into being armed. My tutor, who was ex SAS, basically said the first thing that should preclude your from carrying a gun in the polis is actually bloody volunteering.

Just for the record, Detectives are the best trained and most responsible and I'll hear no more said about it.

epwc wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:04 pm

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:54 pm Just for the record, Detectives are the best trained and most responsible and I'll hear no more said about it.

According to my brother in law dog handlers are the best trained and…

Also it’s traffic cops that are the laziest work shy bastards

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:06 pm

Hard to establish where fault etc lies based on a couple of phone videos

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:47 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:42 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:34 pm

Even if not, 3 officers in hospital and a female officer with a broken nose should cover it

I'm guessing 2 of those officers are fine and the 'hospital treatment' thing is a formality for any bumps and bruises sustained in an incident like that. Certainly only the female officer on the video looked visibly injured.

Honestly, no matter how much of a piece of shit the guy they were trying to arrest is, you can't stamp on his head when he's subdued and the threat is over. That's not policing

Oh well, as long as you are guessing they are fine after being attacked doing their job. Bumps and bruises. Just one looking Visibly injured. All good

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:09 pmas to dog handlers, the dog is likely the most intelligent one in the partnership.

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:09 pm

epwc wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:04 pm

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:54 pm Just for the record, Detectives are the best trained and most responsible and I'll hear no more said about it.

According to my brother in law dog handlers are the best trained and…

Also it’s traffic cops that are the laziest work shy bastards

Armed cops would likely have tried to be traffic cops first but failed the driving test, and as to dog handlers, the dog is likely the most intelligent one in the partnership.

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:12 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:47 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:42 pm

I'm guessing 2 of those officers are fine and the 'hospital treatment' thing is a formality for any bumps and bruises sustained in an incident like that. Certainly only the female officer on the video looked visibly injured.

Honestly, no matter how much of a piece of shit the guy they were trying to arrest is, you can't stamp on his head when he's subdued and the threat is over. That's not policing

Oh well, as long as you are guessing they are fine after being attacked doing their job. Bumps and bruises. Just one looking Visibly injured. All good

Honestly didn't post this looking for a fight, so will call it a night. If it turns out either of the other two had significant injuries, I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong.

You've got a bunch of police doing a decent job in that video and one guy who's completely lost his head and caused a shit load of reputational damage for the GMP and probably ensured that the prick in question doesn't end up being convicted.

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:05 pm

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:54 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:47 pm

Yup, plus after that officer stampy moves on to another man - who is sat on a chair hands behind his head - who complies with the order to get down, but is apparently not doing it at the pace stampy would like because by the time the guy has gotten off the chair and onto his knees on the ground, stampy decides to kick him in the legs and then hit him in the head with his taser.

There's absolutely no excuse for it. Whatever these men might have attempted prior to the video, they clearly present no active threat and officer stampy is out of control violent towards them. Armed officers are supposed to be the best trained and most responsible of our officers. It's untenable for one to lose their cool like this.

Right, now you have just pissed me off. Armed officers are considered workshy lazy bastards, looking for a cushy number. When I joined the job, they tried to press all ex forces into being armed. My tutor, who was ex SAS, basically said the first thing that should preclude your from carrying a gun in the polis is actually bloody volunteering.

Just for the record, Detectives are the best trained and most responsible and I'll hear no more said about it.

I know a DCI who was in charge of firearms officers who might disagree with the description that his charges were workshy lazy bastards.

I haven't a clue what pressure police officers are under at airports or any public transport hubs. In the last 20 years or so that pressure must have increased massively, places like Manchester and London will see increased levels of security because of what has happened in the past, but that officer's job is to remain calm in the the most extreme circumstances.

He failed that particular test.

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:21 pm , however I'm not sure why a Detectice CI would be in charge of armed officers unless we are talking armed surveillance or a similar covert requirement, however I'm not party to what operational systems would be down south.

To be honest there are armed officers and there are armed officers. If we are just looking at overt armed response officers then lads patrolling inner cities in England and on counter terrorism teams are on a completely different level to what we have in Scotland as we do not yet have the gun culture that would put them under those pressures, that's generally why they are looked on with disdain by other branches up here.

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:21 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:05 pm

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:54 pm

Right, now you have just pissed me off. Armed officers are considered workshy lazy bastards, looking for a cushy number. When I joined the job, they tried to press all ex forces into being armed. My tutor, who was ex SAS, basically said the first thing that should preclude your from carrying a gun in the polis is actually bloody volunteering.

Just for the record, Detectives are the best trained and most responsible and I'll hear no more said about it.

I know a DCI who was in charge of firearms officers who might disagree with the description that his charges were workshy lazy bastards.

I haven't a clue what pressure police officers are under at airports or any public transport hubs. In the last 20 years or so that pressure must have increased massively, places like Manchester and London will see increased levels of security because of what has happened in the past, but that officer's job is to remain calm in the the most extreme circumstances.

He failed that particular test.

It was obviously slightly tongue in cheek and based on police cultural conceptions, however I'm not sure why a Detectice CI would be in charge of armed officers unless we are talking armed surveillance or a similar covert requirement, however I'm not party to what operational systems would be down south.
To be honest there are armed officers and there are armed officers. If we are just looking at overt armed response officers then lads patrolling inner cities in England and on counter terrorism teams are on a completely different level to what we have in Scotland as we do not yet have the gun culture that would put them under those pressures, that's generally why they are looked on with disdain by other branches up here.

Jock42 wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:18 pm I'm not against cunts getting a kicking but taking advantage like that is too far. They've also made every other cops job harder. It almost inflamed the situation and could have resulted in more injuries for his colleagues.

Jock42 wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:30 pm

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:21 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:05 pm


I know a DCI who was in charge of firearms officers who might disagree with the description that his charges were workshy lazy bastards.

I haven't a clue what pressure police officers are under at airports or any public transport hubs. In the last 20 years or so that pressure must have increased massively, places like Manchester and London will see increased levels of security because of what has happened in the past, but that officer's job is to remain calm in the the most extreme circumstances.

He failed that particular test.

It was obviously slightly tongue in cheek and based on police cultural conceptions, however I'm not sure why a Detectice CI would be in charge of armed officers unless we are talking armed surveillance or a similar covert requirement, however I'm not party to what operational systems would be down south.
To be honest there are armed officers and there are armed officers. If we are just looking at overt armed response officers then lads patrolling inner cities in England and on counter terrorism teams are on a completely different level to what we have in Scotland as we do not yet have the gun culture that would put them under those pressures, that's generally why they are looked on with disdain by other branches up here.

I was at a job a few months back where someone had effectively taken their self hostage and it turned into a siege. Several hours later the armed lot rocked up, stacked up like they were breaching a compound in Afghan and shouting at everyone to get back in case the (unarmed) self hostage who had not been threatening anyone injured us. I laughed a lot and walked outside.

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:11 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:06 pm

Hard to establish where fault etc lies based on a couple of phone videos

Nah, I think it's fairly clear that at the point the guy is on the ground getting tasered, the need for an arresting officer to kick him in the face and stamp on his head just isn't there.

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:29 pm

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:21 pm , however I'm not sure why a Detectice CI would be in charge of armed officers unless we are talking armed surveillance or a similar covert requirement, however I'm not party to what operational systems would be down south.

He never talked details obviously, and I never asked, I just know that was his job in a large metropolitan area

To be honest there are armed officers and there are armed officers. If we are just looking at overt armed response officers then lads patrolling inner cities in England and on counter terrorism teams are on a completely different level to what we have in Scotland as we do not yet have the gun culture that would put them under those pressures, that's generally why they are looked on with disdain by other branches up here.

Being involved with rugby means I know a lot of coppers who were with many different forces, including one jammy git who got a transfer to the Bahamas for a couple of years.

I know one guy who was in drugs, their job would be very different in Scotland to the ones I know who were in a similar post in London, so yeah, I get what you mean about the differences

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:42 pm FM, I also know an ex-Para who was in the Falklands and then joined the polis

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:37 pm

Jock42 wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:30 pm

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:21 pm

It was obviously slightly tongue in cheek and based on police cultural conceptions, however I'm not sure why a Detectice CI would be in charge of armed officers unless we are talking armed surveillance or a similar covert requirement, however I'm not party to what operational systems would be down south.
To be honest there are armed officers and there are armed officers. If we are just looking at overt armed response officers then lads patrolling inner cities in England and on counter terrorism teams are on a completely different level to what we have in Scotland as we do not yet have the gun culture that would put them under those pressures, that's generally why they are looked on with disdain by other branches up here.

I was at a job a few months back where someone had effectively taken their self hostage and it turned into a siege. Several hours later the armed lot rocked up, stacked up like they were breaching a compound in Afghan and shouting at everyone to get back in case the (unarmed) self hostage who had not been threatening anyone injured us. I laughed a lot and walked outside.

In 1992 they first introduced armed response vehicles in Edinburgh and we all had to attend a briefing to be told about their capabilities. Some spotty faced wee lad proudly proclaimed that they had been trained to kill. You can imagine how well that went down with my tutor and an ex Scots guardsman who had fought on Mt Longdon.

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:43 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:29 pm

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:21 pm , however I'm not sure why a Detectice CI would be in charge of armed officers unless we are talking armed surveillance or a similar covert requirement, however I'm not party to what operational systems would be down south.

He never talked details obviously, and I never asked, I just know that was his job in a large metropolitan area

To be honest there are armed officers and there are armed officers. If we are just looking at overt armed response officers then lads patrolling inner cities in England and on counter terrorism teams are on a completely different level to what we have in Scotland as we do not yet have the gun culture that would put them under those pressures, that's generally why they are looked on with disdain by other branches up here.

Being involved with rugby means I know a lot of coppers who were with many different forces, including one jammy git who got a transfer to the Bahamas for a couple of years.

I know one guy who was in drugs, their job would be very different in Scotland to the ones I know who were in a similar post in London, so yeah, I get what you mean about the differences

Yeah, I spent a number of years in drugs and surveillance. We have a saying in surveillance that if you get spotted you have been burnt. This was just a silly figure of speech, however on one occasion we were in Liverpool and I was preparing do deploy inside a covert surveillance van into a shit area of Liverpool. The local drug squad made it more than clear that if you were spotted you would actually get burnt as they would likely petrol bomb the van. It was a sobering moment.

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:45 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:42 pm FM, I also know an ex-Para who was in the Falklands and then joined the polis

Back in the days where the main entry requirement was keeping a hat 5'10 off the ground and being able to hold your own in a fight. He probably wouldn't stand a chance of getting in nowadays. Nor would I.

Jock42 wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:50 pm

Blackmac wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:45 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:42 pm FM, I also know an ex-Para who was in the Falklands and then joined the polis

Back in the days where the main entry requirement was keeping a hat 5'10 off the ground and being able to hold your own in a fight. He probably wouldn't stand a chance of getting in nowadays. Nor would I.

I've got a couple of mates that got in no bother tbf. Not sure what career advancement will be like for them without degrees etc.

Conor wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 5:30 am A big problem here is male officers feeling they have to protect their female colleagues. For the most part women shouldn't be in roles requiring physical engagement with violent parties.