Stolen from “that” other forum.
Farrell and his holiday options
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.OverThere
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I watched the first replay and couldn't stomach watching it again.
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sockwithaticket
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Many of us have long been astonished that he doesn't get carded more often for questionable tackling (and this incident is far worse than that) and waiting for it to really cost England.
It's a bit crap from him, Sarries and England that he can get to 28 and still be tackling so high and so dangerously.
Calling this a tackle is generous in the extreme, it's basically a clothesline.
ASMO posted on the national thread that top end is 10 weeks, but max 52 , for such offences. I'd like to see something around 20, because this is a horrible, horrible incident.
Good news is that the young fella Farrell used his WWE moves on (he's only just done his A-levels) walked off under his own steam eventually.
It's a bit crap from him, Sarries and England that he can get to 28 and still be tackling so high and so dangerously.
Calling this a tackle is generous in the extreme, it's basically a clothesline.
ASMO posted on the national thread that top end is 10 weeks, but max 52 , for such offences. I'd like to see something around 20, because this is a horrible, horrible incident.
Good news is that the young fella Farrell used his WWE moves on (he's only just done his A-levels) walked off under his own steam eventually.
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Jimmy Smallsteps
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Farrell's questionable technique has FINALLY caught up with him. Good.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:00 pm Many of us have long been astonished that he doesn't get carded more often for questionable tackling (and this incident is far worse than that) and waiting for it to really cost England.
It's a bit crap from him, Sarries and England that he can get to 28 and still be tackling so high and so dangerously.
Calling this a tackle is generous in the extreme, it's basically a clothesline.
ASMO posted on the national thread that top end is 10 weeks, but max 52 , for such offences. I'd like to see something around 20, because this is a horrible, horrible incident.
Good news is that the young fella Farrell used his WWE moves on (he's only just done his A-levels) walked off under his own steam eventually.
It'll get called mid range and hell get six weeks reduced to four for previous clean record, despite the fact he clocked a ban for a dangerous tackle four years ago. He should be getting somewhere around 12-15 weeks imo with nothing taken off.
Saw someone make the point that he has put huge amounts of time into his passing technique and kicking technique, but either he can't be arsed putting time into tackling technique or he is deliberately going for big hits and pushing the lines in order to do that. I think it's the latter.
Saw someone make the point that he has put huge amounts of time into his passing technique and kicking technique, but either he can't be arsed putting time into tackling technique or he is deliberately going for big hits and pushing the lines in order to do that. I think it's the latter.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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ScarfaceClaw
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BBC article giving it large about Farrell and shaking the hand of the headless corpse he left behind. Such amazing sportsmanship and a hero to everyone. Dirty thug has always tackled like a thug and doesn’t seem to want to do anything else.
He used his arms, that's clearly an improvement.Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:40 pm It'll get called mid range and hell get six weeks reduced to four for previous clean record, despite the fact he clocked a ban for a dangerous tackle four years ago. He should be getting somewhere around 12-15 weeks imo with nothing taken off.
Saw someone make the point that he has put huge amounts of time into his passing technique and kicking technique, but either he can't be arsed putting time into tackling technique or he is deliberately going for big hits and pushing the lines in order to do that. I think it's the latter.
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Only thing he’ll feel sorry for is himself.ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:04 pm BBC article giving it large about Farrell and shaking the hand of the headless corpse he left behind. Such amazing sportsmanship and a hero to everyone. Dirty thug has always tackled like a thug and doesn’t seem to want to do anything else.
Ahh come on, he didn’t deliberately try and knock the guy out, it was a shit attempt and I have no sympathy for him, but I don’t think he’s an out and out thug.
However, he needs a long ban. This has been waiting to happen for years and he has got away with 3 or 4 horrendous “tackles” when others have been sent off for far less. 10 weeks runs out before the 8 Nations thing, he shouldn’t be playing the first couple of those at the very least
However, he needs a long ban. This has been waiting to happen for years and he has got away with 3 or 4 horrendous “tackles” when others have been sent off for far less. 10 weeks runs out before the 8 Nations thing, he shouldn’t be playing the first couple of those at the very least
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I get the instinctive arm out as someone jinks past you clothesline, but this was not even close to that. He targetted the guy and came in from a distance, he was looking for the showreel hit and bugger the safety side of things. In my view it wasnt just dangerous, it was deliberately dangerous and should be viewed as such by the discipinery panel
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eldanielfire
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Is Owen getting an arm out actually instinctive? He usually leads shoulder first when going into a high tackle. Had he done that as he usually does we all know he'd never be sent off.ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:02 pm I get the instinctive arm out as someone jinks past you clothesline, but this was not even close to that. He targetted the guy and came in from a distance, he was looking for the showreel hit and bugger the safety side of things. In my view it wasnt just dangerous, it was deliberately dangerous and should be viewed as such by the discipinery panel
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eldanielfire
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If only he had an expert in his life when he was young who could have teach him good defensive techniques.
'Safe tackling techniques' and 'rugby league' aren't often in the same sentence.eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:48 pmIf only he had an expert in his life when he was young who could have teach him good defensive techniques.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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ScarfaceClaw
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Or even in the same conversation.Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:26 pm'Safe tackling techniques' and 'rugby league' aren't often in the same sentence.eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:48 pmIf only he had an expert in his life when he was young who could have teach him good defensive techniques.
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eldanielfire
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ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:38 pmOr even in the same conversation.Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:26 pm'Safe tackling techniques' and 'rugby league' aren't often in the same sentence.eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:48 pm
If only he had an expert in his life when he was young who could have teach him good defensive techniques.
Betcha a tangerine and my Optimus Prime that the discipline committee does.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
That was my impression. What was Farrell thinking? If he was thinking. The risk factor in those sort of high speed/power head hits is very high,and that is what the judicial offer should be looking at.
Has Farrell got form for high shots?
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Jimmy Smallsteps
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Fair fucks to the English fans for calling it like it is.
Even if it was a domestic game with no pressure on it.
Even if it was a domestic game with no pressure on it.
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Lemoentjie
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Would probably look worse at normal speed. Slow-mo makes it seem not so bad in comparison
Normal speed makes it a lot worse. You see just how little was going on around the player, leaving no excuses. Just Farrell flying in.Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:59 am Would probably look worse at normal speed. Slow-mo makes it seem not so bad in comparison
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OomStruisbaai
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Bit a of a swinging arm. Yellow should been enough.
The English don’t like him either. No one does.Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:36 am Fair fucks to the English fans for calling it like it is.
Even if it was a domestic game with no pressure on it.
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Steve
Commensurate with 20 weeks surely.
He will do only do 4 as daddy is a big wheel at the cracker factory.
He will do only do 4 as daddy is a big wheel at the cracker factory.
Here's a considered opinion
Agree with the red partollowing the red card handed out to Owen Farrell for his awful tackle on Wasps’ Charlie Atkinson, features writer James While delves into a debate which has caused much furore online.
Taking a stroll down the fetid corridors of social media this week and you’ll glean that the preferred punishment for Farrell’s red card against Wasps should be somewhere between death by electric chair to 30 years hard labour.
Outrage by proxy reins hither and thither, with hyperbolic assumption ruling fact. In Farrell’s career, there have been a few tackles that have been perhaps debatable in legality, but the simple truth is that this is his first red card in 217 professional games and only his second citing in 10 years as a professional.
Yes, there’s been a few questionable moments; South African fans, who seem to conveniently forget the actions of the likes of Marius Bosman, Corne Krige and Elandre van den Bergh in days gone by, will never forgive Farrell for a technically poor and clumsy tackle in 2018 in the dying minutes of a Test on André Esterhuizen, a hit that effectively sealed the fate of the Boks on that day. Nevertheless, the truth is that the on-field referee, Angus Gardner, TMO and the citing officer saw very little wrong with the collision, even after several reviews.
Then there was the perhaps dubious clash of shoulders two weeks later at Twickenham, when the Saracen threw his body in the path of Izack Rodda as the Aussie sprinted for the line. No sanction was made, despite the protestations of Michael Cheika, with on-field referee Jaco Peyper awarding a penalty; not for the Farrell barge but for an earlier offside by flanker Mark Wilson on the 22 metre line.
For a player that’s played 288 matches and averaged, say, 12 tackles per game, that equates to something around 3,500 tackles, none of which, until Saturday, have been deemed threatening enough or illegal enough to warrant anything but a penalty. In that time, Farrell has received nine yellow cards, six for poor tackles. His two yellows at Test level came for obstruction on an open-field runner (Matt Giteau) and for killing the ball against New Zealand six years ago. In his time with England and the Lions (87 Tests), the Saracens fly-half has conceded precisely 33 penalties, an average of less than half a penalty a game. These are not the statistics of a dirty player, nor a serial offender. In fact, they’re pretty much exemplary from a defender that leads the blitz line and is particularly abrasive in his work.
However, to study these facts in isolation is dangerous. Farrell has been living on the edge of legality for a long time; if you unpack those reasons, he defends in channel one, where he, a relatively smaller man, has to stop a lot of heavy traffic, often as the second tackler in the hit – that means often his clear target is the upper body as the first (forward) defender will almost always have gone low. Secondly, his background is one of mixed codes; embracing rugby league as much as union, where double team tackles, one low and one high, are a feature of defensive technique. Lastly, his absolute commitment to the power hit means his commitment is an early one, thus preventing marginal adjustment if a player moves, changes height or direction.
Add the above up and you’ll agree that this red card was one that was going to be inevitable. That doesn’t mean, however, that he should be penalised by a panel on actions that were, historically, deemed legal or were previously punished with penalties or yellows. The disciplinary panel, like a court of law, will examine two things only; the events that led up to the card on the day (the offence) and Farrell’s track record (previous convictions) where there is just one blemish four years ago which resulted in a two-week ban.
The main task the panel have is to decide entry point: high or medium danger. Outcome judged, there is no question that the entry point was medium, but the media furore and current climate for safety in rugby may see that upgraded.
The result will be either 10 weeks (high danger) or six weeks (medium). Farrell’s record will then see a 50% reduction and remorse, as per precedent, to five or three weeks. In short, 3-5 weeks, don’t do it again, have a few weeks’ holiday and see you in October in the England training camp.
At the foot of the charge sheet for the incident is a much bigger issue. The fact that even the most myopic Saracens or England fan will agree this was an accident waiting to happen and that Farrell’s tackle technique needs a degree of amelioration to comply with the picture that the modern safety-first referee is looking for.
Perhaps it’s a godsend it happened in a nothing game in the Premiership rather than a crucial Test match where his action could have cost a Six Nations title or a World Cup tie. Farrell needs to sort his work out, tackle with greater precision and with deeper detail. One thing is for sure, he’s the ultimate competitor and he’ll be as anxious as anyone to sort his shape out, be legal, fair but hard and, above all, never to let his team and fans down as he clearly did on Saturday.
by James While
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