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Thanks to the Kiwis, it's official now
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DURBAN - SA Rugby has confirmed that the four existing South African Super Rugby franchises will join an expanded PRO 16 in Europe while the axed Cheetahs are set to join Australian and New Zealand teams in a new Super 8 competition.

The decision was taken today by the 13 voting member unions of SARU at a specially convened general council meeting to determine future competition formats in a rugby landscape heavily impacted by Covid-19.


The Border Rugby Union – which is under administration – currently has its voting powers suspended.

The meeting rejected the first option of remaining in a PRO14 format and leaving the Lions, Stormers, Sharks and Bulls to explore a potential successor to the current Sanzaar domestic format.

In a statement, SA Rugby said they would now accelerate discussions with the PRO Rugby organisers regarding South Africa’s expansion into the venture that represents teams from Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Italy.


The general meeting also opted to continue engaging with SANZAAR about entering a team into a modified “Super Series” format, on the proviso that a commercial model was developed to make their entry cost neutral at least, once agreement had been reached with SANZAAR.

It was agreed that the Cheetahs would be proposed as the South African entry to such a competition.

SA Rugby CEO Jurie Roux said these developments were a response to the Covid-19 pandemic and the New Zealand Rugby Union’s unilateral decision to break away and form its own domestic competition or one involving Australia.

Roux added that New Zealand’s decision made it impossible to deliver the 14-team Super Rugby competition that had been agreed by the partners and for which five-year broadcasting agreements had been signed.

“Our members are excited about the prospect of closer alignment with PRO Rugby and seeking a northern hemisphere future, but we would not have been taking this decision but for actions elsewhere,” said Roux.
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Saracens should join too :thumbup:
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It’s not quite official is it? More that they have voted to pursue talks on this which will likely lead to them joining. That’s how it is being reported elsewhere.

I would be surprised if the Cheetahs were offered a place in the new “trans-Tasman” competition. South African Rugby may want that but in the best of times, let alone considering covid’s impact, having one South African team only seems like more hassle than it’s worth
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I am no NZ fan...but giving them the Cheetahs...lol...I would tell SA to bugger off
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Ted. wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:38 pm
Jb1981 wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:48 pm It’s not quite official is it? More that they have voted to pursue talks on this which will likely lead to them joining. That’s how it is being reported elsewhere.

I would be surprised if the Cheetahs were offered a place in the new “trans-Tasman” competition. South African Rugby may want that but in the best of times, let alone considering covid’s impact, having one South African team only seems like more hassle than it’s worth
Yep, even though it was in mile high iridescent pink letters, they've seen the writing on the wall at long last. The scramble to get noticed oop north is quite unedifying but not at all surprising.

I also agree re the Cheetahs. There's no way they are getting a sniff of any Asia/Pacific super comp. It would seem that, in the interest of self preservation and unbridled greed, the big four of SA have pushed the poor old Cheetahs under the bus in there scramble for northern places.
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Further proof that Andy is gunning for NZ - this was a joint arrangement between Oz and us to try to get around Covid travel restrictions and yet he singles out the Kiwis

Fuck off you stirring prick.

Feel for the Argies though - from the finals to being disbanded.
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Good riddance. The Saffers were pathetic in Super Rugby, winning just three titles in 26 seasons. Hopefully they will be more competitive playing against Scottish, Welsh and Italian clubs.
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Enzedder wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:21 pm Further proof that Andy is gunning for NZ - this was a joint arrangement between Oz and us to try to get around Covid travel restrictions and yet he singles out the Kiwis

Fuck off you stirring prick.

Feel for the Argies though - from the finals to being disbanded.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:57 pm Good riddance. The Saffers were pathetic in Super Rugby, winning just three titles in 26 seasons. Hopefully they will be more competitive playing against Scottish, Welsh and Italian clubs.
What a dumb post. :lol:
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:06 pm
Carter's Choice wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:57 pm Good riddance. The Saffers were pathetic in Super Rugby, winning just three titles in 26 seasons. Hopefully they will be more competitive playing against Scottish, Welsh and Italian clubs.
What a dumb post. :lol:
I'm 100% correct. Having failed miserably in Super Rugby, the SARU is simply trying to find a tournament in which they can be competitive. And to be fair you should be able to beat the Italian teams. Will you be able to use your own referees?
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No great loss. Won't miss 3am kick-offs or 20-1 penalty counts.
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This could require a radical change of strategy from SARU. If they get stroppy about the PRO14 for example, where will they threaten to go?
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Jb1981 wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:16 pm This could require a radical change of strategy from SARU. If they get stroppy about the PRO14 for example, where will they threaten to go?
USA USA ...Major League Rugby ...here come the Sharks vs the Gilgronis :lolno:
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mrbrownstone wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:15 pm No great loss. Won't miss 3am kick-offs or 20-1 penalty counts.
Exactly.

I hope our Celtic friends realise that the SARU will destroy their competition from the inside out like a cancer. Once they've taken root in the Pro 16 it will be endless demands for expansion teams, non-neutral referees, more TV money, less travel (conferences), guaranteed teams in the finals, etc, etc, etc, etc. There isn't a worse union to jump into bed with than the SARU. They are toxic.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:29 pm
mrbrownstone wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:15 pm No great loss. Won't miss 3am kick-offs or 20-1 penalty counts.
Exactly.

I hope our Celtic friends realise that the SARU will destroy their competition from the inside out like a cancer. Once they've taken root in the Pro 16 it will be endless demands for expansion teams, non-neutral referees, more TV money, less travel (conferences), guaranteed teams in the finals, etc, etc, etc, etc. There isn't a worse union to jump into bed with than the SARU. They are toxic.
You're right it's most definitely SARU that are the issue here, as soon as you exclude them, the relationships between NZR and RA should go without a hitch, just look at the brilliant start they're off to now
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Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:00 am You're right it's most definitely SARU that are the issue here, as soon as you exclude them, the relationships between NZR and RA should go without a hitch, just look at the brilliant start they're off to now
Just because NZR and RA had a disagreement about the structure of a proposed TT comp doesn't make the SARU any less toxic or shit. Super Rugby was clearly too tough for the South Africans, as shown by their pathetic 3 titles in 26 years. Tbf I don't blame them slithering off to play easy rugby. It should be more suited to their ability.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:08 am
Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:00 am You're right it's most definitely SARU that are the issue here, as soon as you exclude them, the relationships between NZR and RA should go without a hitch, just look at the brilliant start they're off to now
Just because NZR and RA had a disagreement about the structure of a proposed TT comp doesn't make the SARU any less toxic or shit. Super Rugby was clearly too tough for the South Africans, as shown by their pathetic 3 titles in 26 years. Tbf I don't blame them slithering off to play easy rugby. It should be more suited to their ability.
Great start though isn't it, a sign of things to come and I'm sure SARU are relieved to be out of it
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Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:17 am
Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:08 am
Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:00 am You're right it's most definitely SARU that are the issue here, as soon as you exclude them, the relationships between NZR and RA should go without a hitch, just look at the brilliant start they're off to now
Just because NZR and RA had a disagreement about the structure of a proposed TT comp doesn't make the SARU any less toxic or shit. Super Rugby was clearly too tough for the South Africans, as shown by their pathetic 3 titles in 26 years. Tbf I don't blame them slithering off to play easy rugby. It should be more suited to their ability.
Great start though isn't it, a sign of things to come and I'm sure SARU are relieved to be out of it
Start? NZR and RA have worked collaboratively and constructively for 26 years. Do you actually follow Rugby?
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Can anyone honestly say they're sad we'll never get to see the Highlanders play the Lions or the Rebels play the Sharks again?

This is a win for everyone. Let's focus on replacing them with a Pasifika team.
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mrbrownstone wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:29 am Can anyone honestly say they're sad we'll never get to see the Highlanders play the Lions or the Rebels play the Sharks again?

This is a win for everyone. Let's focus on replacing them with a Pasifika team.
I'm still not convinced about a Pasifika team. Especially as the Blues are practically already one. I would like to see a 6th NZ team, based in Auckland, but not one that was racially aligned. A 2nd Auckland team makes sense to cannibalise the Blues's supporter base and talent pool.
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:34 am
mrbrownstone wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:29 am Can anyone honestly say they're sad we'll never get to see the Highlanders play the Lions or the Rebels play the Sharks again?

This is a win for everyone. Let's focus on replacing them with a Pasifika team.
I'm still not convinced about a Pasifika team. Especially as the Blues are practically already one. I would like to see a 6th NZ team, based in Auckland, but not one that was racially aligned. A 2nd Auckland team makes sense to cannibalise the Blues's supporter base and talent pool.
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tcc_dc wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:24 pm
Jb1981 wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:16 pm This could require a radical change of strategy from SARU. If they get stroppy about the PRO14 for example, where will they threaten to go?
USA USA ...Major League Rugby ...here come the Sharks vs the Gilgronis :lolno:
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:20 am
Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:17 am
Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:08 am

Just because NZR and RA had a disagreement about the structure of a proposed TT comp doesn't make the SARU any less toxic or shit. Super Rugby was clearly too tough for the South Africans, as shown by their pathetic 3 titles in 26 years. Tbf I don't blame them slithering off to play easy rugby. It should be more suited to their ability.
Great start though isn't it, a sign of things to come and I'm sure SARU are relieved to be out of it
Start? NZR and RA have worked collaboratively and constructively for 26 years. Do you actually follow Rugby?
Forgive me if I'm wrong but this TT comp is a brand new one, unless there's been another TT comp that I was unaware of, do you follow rugby ?

As for working collaboratively and constructively, give me a break, there have been so many instances of the exact opposite between the two nations it's amazing they still talk to each other, you sure you follow this game.
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Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:50 am Forgive me if I'm wrong but this TT comp is a brand new one, unless there's been another TT comp that I was unaware of, do you follow rugby ?

As for working collaboratively and constructively, give me a break, there have been so many instances of the exact opposite between the two nations it's amazing they still talk to each other, you sure you follow this game.
NZR and RA have collaborated effectively for many years. They have worked well before Super Rugby came about, and they will continue to work together well after the South African 3am kickoffs and 20-1 penalty counts are just distant memories.

Keep trying to promote disharmony between NZ and Australia. That's all Springbok fans have now. Enjoy watching your teams playing Zebre, Ospreys and Trevisio :thumbup:
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Fantastic news. Greatly looking forward to playing new opposition in new stadiums. I'll miss Super Rugby, but it will be nice to have more Friday and Saturday night games to watch.

Not sure why so many kiwis are having a hissyfit, aren't you supposed to be glad we're leaving? Mind you, the thought of playing Australian rugby teams :sick:
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assfly wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:38 am Fantastic news. Greatly looking forward to playing new opposition in new stadiums. I'll miss Super Rugby, but it will be nice to have more Friday and Saturday night games to watch.

Not sure why so many kiwis are having a hissyfit, aren't you supposed to be glad we're leaving? Mind you, the thought of playing Australian rugby teams :sick:
Yeah, it makes me wonder why they are complaining so much if they are so very happy to see us go?

It seems very much like a case of "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
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Carter's Choice wrote: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:57 pm Good riddance. The Saffers were pathetic in Super Rugby, winning just three titles in 26 seasons. Hopefully they will be more competitive playing against Scottish, Welsh and Italian clubs.
We're more about RWC's.
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Good.

Have fun.
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Thommo wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:09 am Good.

Have fun.
I am genuinely going to miss the SR comp, will never be the same up north

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Big Nipper wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:18 am I am genuinely going to miss the SR comp, will never be the same up north

:cry:
The Cheetahs have been well and truly shafted.
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Have the Saffer teams been accepted into the comp up North - or are they just burning bridges and to hell with it?

Either way, I hated the conference system and if anything good has come out of Covid, it's the death of this horrible format.

I hope like hell TRC can continue though. That will be even better if we are playing against players we haven't seen all season.
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Enzedder wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:24 am Have the Saffer teams been accepted into the comp up North - or are they just burning bridges and to hell with it?

Either way, I hated the conference system and if anything good has come out of Covid, it's the death of this horrible format.

I hope like hell TRC can continue though. That will be even better if we are playing against players we haven't seen all season.
Looks like it's a done deal from my reading.

I'm sure we'll still be part of TRC. I can't see us getting into the Six Nations anytime soon.
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Any clarity on the format of the Trans-Tasman competition? 5 teams each?
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handyman wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:33 am Any clarity on the format of the Trans-Tasman competition? 5 teams each?
8 Kiwi Teams, 1 PI team and the Brumbies
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Carter's Choice wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:54 am
Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:50 am Forgive me if I'm wrong but this TT comp is a brand new one, unless there's been another TT comp that I was unaware of, do you follow rugby ?

As for working collaboratively and constructively, give me a break, there have been so many instances of the exact opposite between the two nations it's amazing they still talk to each other, you sure you follow this game.
NZR and RA have collaborated effectively for many years. They have worked well before Super Rugby
:lol: :lol: Sure they have Champ, how did the 2003 RWC collaborations go
What about NZR’s accusation of RA spying on them, despite that being bullshit, like so many other accusations made by NZR over the years, there’s been a few.
Then there was the recent declaration by NZR that firstly Saru were out of SuperRugby and if RA wanted to join in the new comp being set up by NZR, the they could APPLY, for only 2 teams to join
Yep they’ve worked well long before Super Rugby alright
For a perspective point of view, for someone who had no comprehension of the collaborative efforts between NZR and RA, prior to the advent of Super Rugby in its many various guises, what exactly was it the the various national unions, apart of course for the Bledislow/ international matches, did for each other. Apart from the Aussies pinching the odd coach and poaching the odd player I can’t really think of any “cooperation” as such, you no doubt will correct me
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“Our members are excited about the prospect of closer alignment with PRO Rugby and seeking a northern hemisphere future, but we would not have been taking this decision but for actions elsewhere,”
That famous Saffer tact and diplomacy.

I'm in 2 minds about this. I like the competition as it is but I can also see the SA teams bringing some great value if they can be arsed. On balance I think it's possibly a step too far but will give it a go.
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Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:58 am :lol: :lol: Sure they have Champ, how did the 2003 RWC collaborations go
What about NZR’s accusation of RA spying on them, despite that being bullshit, like so many other accusations made by NZR over the years, there’s been a few.
Then there was the recent declaration by NZR that firstly Saru were out of SuperRugby and if RA wanted to join in the new comp being set up by NZR, the they could APPLY, for only 2 teams to join
Yep they’ve worked well long before Super Rugby alright
For a perspective point of view, for someone who had no comprehension of the collaborative efforts between NZR and RA, prior to the advent of Super Rugby in its many various guises, what exactly was it the the various national unions, apart of course for the Bledislow/ international matches, did for each other. Apart from the Aussies pinching the odd coach and poaching the odd player I can’t really think of any “cooperation” as such, you no doubt will correct me
I get it, you're upset because your beloved South African teams have been humiliatingly dumped from Super Rugby. And now you're utterly desperate for Rugby on both sides of the Tasman to fail. It's never nice to be dumped, is it? The sad truth is that both NZR and RA simply weren't that into you.
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Slick wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:13 am
“Our members are excited about the prospect of closer alignment with PRO Rugby and seeking a northern hemisphere future, but we would not have been taking this decision but for actions elsewhere,”
That famous Saffer tact and diplomacy.

I'm in 2 minds about this. I like the competition as it is but I can also see the SA teams bringing some great value if they can be arsed. On balance I think it's possibly a step too far but will give it a go.
It will be great to start with. And then the SARU will turn on you guys and start demanding;

- New teams every year
- South African referees to officiate their own teams (I hope you guys enjoy 20-1 penalty counts)
- Conferences, because the travel is so unfair
- Guaranteed places for South African teams in the semi finals
- Increasing shares of the TV money

And that will be your new reality, rinse repeat, rinse repeat until the Celtic League is destroyed by South African greed.
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