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Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:25 am All of the restrictions, all the reduction in travel, the decrease of industrial activity, and that reduced global emissions by a mere 7%.

Shows me that we need more than just changes in behaviour, we need fundamental changes to society and the infrastructures of our economies.

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:43 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:25 am All of the restrictions, all the reduction in travel, the decrease of industrial activity, and that reduced global emissions by a mere 7%.

Shows me that we need more than just changes in behaviour, we need fundamental changes to society and the infrastructures of our economies.

Technology is always the answer.

Changing behaviour will take too long - better just to get scientists and politicians on a climate war footing (including funding) and see what they come up with.

Throw some reforestation in, and we’ll be grand.

It might be added, if needed, I know very little about climate change.

I just know that humans aren’t great at behaving their way out of the shit we get ourselves into, so if it isn’t tech, we’re proper screwed!

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:24 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:43 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:25 am All of the restrictions, all the reduction in travel, the decrease of industrial activity, and that reduced global emissions by a mere 7%.

Shows me that we need more than just changes in behaviour, we need fundamental changes to society and the infrastructures of our economies.

Technology is always the answer.

Changing behaviour will take too long - better just to get scientists and politicians on a climate war footing (including funding) and see what they come up with.

Throw some reforestation in, and we’ll be grand.

It might be added, if needed, I know very little about climate change.

I just know that humans aren’t great at behaving their way out of the shit we get ourselves into, so if it isn’t tech, we’re proper screwed!

Yup, most people just don’t give a fuck.

Biffer, also surprised and disappointed that it was only 7% and of course everyone was back in their car to travel 1/2 mile as soon as they could

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:14 pm No, because I completely agree with Random that technology will get us out of this.

Frankly, what worries me more is the amount of shit we are putting in the sea. I go most Sunday’s litter picking on the beach with my son and we can easily get a bin bag full of plastic and other assorted crap in 30 minutes

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:31 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:14 pm No, because I completely agree with Random that technology will get us out of this.

Frankly, what worries me more is the amount of shit we are putting in the sea. I go most Sunday’s litter picking on the beach with my son and we can easily get a bin bag full of plastic and other assorted crap in 30 minutes

This year will be the first time that the weight of man made matter is greater than the weight of organic matter.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:14 pm No, because I completely agree with Random that technology will get us out of this.

Frankly, what worries me more is the amount of shit we are putting in the sea. I go most Sunday’s litter picking on the beach with my son and we can easily get a bin bag full of plastic and other assorted crap in 30 minutes

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:00 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:14 pm No, because I completely agree with Random that technology will get us out of this.

Frankly, what worries me more is the amount of shit we are putting in the sea. I go most Sunday’s litter picking on the beach with my son and we can easily get a bin bag full of plastic and other assorted crap in 30 minutes

Wish I were that optimistic.Tech alone will not stop established behaviours, practices and so on that underpin our massive issue. Huge government involvement is required to subsidise and disseminate the tech at the and legislate to curb harmful action at the pace required. They've yet to show any appetitie for doing that.

I'm just hoping things don't get too apocalyptic before I die.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:14 pm No, because I completely agree with Random that technology will get us out of this.

Frankly, what worries me more is the amount of shit we are putting in the sea. I go most Sunday’s litter picking on the beach with my son and we can easily get a bin bag full of plastic and other assorted crap in 30 minutes

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:52 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:00 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:14 pm No, because I completely agree with Random that technology will get us out of this.

Frankly, what worries me more is the amount of shit we are putting in the sea. I go most Sunday’s litter picking on the beach with my son and we can easily get a bin bag full of plastic and other assorted crap in 30 minutes

Wish I were that optimistic.Tech alone will not stop established behaviours, practices and so on that underpin our massive issue. Huge government involvement is required to subsidise and disseminate the tech at the and legislate to curb harmful action at the pace required. They've yet to show any appetitie for doing that.

I'm just hoping things don't get too apocalyptic before I die.

What are the behaviours you’re thinking about?

I’m struggling to think of one where there isn’t a load of activity and research into tech designed to mitigate human aresholery

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:56 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:14 pm No, because I completely agree with Random that technology will get us out of this.

Frankly, what worries me more is the amount of shit we are putting in the sea. I go most Sunday’s litter picking on the beach with my son and we can easily get a bin bag full of plastic and other assorted crap in 30 minutes

Ah, now, I’m newish to the bored and PR, so are you one of the respected posters?

Or are you one of those trump follower people?

No problem either way, just curious as to what cohort I’ve fallen into.

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:53 am

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:52 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:00 pm

Wish I were that optimistic.Tech alone will not stop established behaviours, practices and so on that underpin our massive issue. Huge government involvement is required to subsidise and disseminate the tech at the and legislate to curb harmful action at the pace required. They've yet to show any appetitie for doing that.

I'm just hoping things don't get too apocalyptic before I die.

What are the behaviours you’re thinking about?

I’m struggling to think of one where there isn’t a load of activity and research into tech designed to mitigate human aresholery

Meat eating.

Fangle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:06 pm As renewables get more affordable there will be a natural progression towards them.
I read somewhere that the US emissions have dropped further than Europe largely because of fracking and the greater use of natural gas. But that has a limited life span.

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:53 am

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:52 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:00 pm

Wish I were that optimistic.Tech alone will not stop established behaviours, practices and so on that underpin our massive issue. Huge government involvement is required to subsidise and disseminate the tech at the and legislate to curb harmful action at the pace required. They've yet to show any appetitie for doing that.

I'm just hoping things don't get too apocalyptic before I die.

What are the behaviours you’re thinking about?

I’m struggling to think of one where there isn’t a load of activity and research into tech designed to mitigate human aresholery

Meat eating.

Calculon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:56 pm

Fangle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:06 pm As renewables get more affordable there will be a natural progression towards them.
I read somewhere that the US emissions have dropped further than Europe largely because of fracking and the greater use of natural gas. But that has a limited life span.

That's great, but their emissions are still something like 3 times greater per capita.

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:25 am All of the restrictions, all the reduction in travel, the decrease of industrial activity, and that reduced global emissions by a mere 7%.

Shows me that we need more than just changes in behaviour, we need fundamental changes to society and the infrastructures of our economies.

Niegs wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:12 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:53 am

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:52 pm

What are the behaviours you’re thinking about?

I’m struggling to think of one where there isn’t a load of activity and research into tech designed to mitigate human aresholery

Meat eating.

I don't know the impacts of each of these things versus some of the massive producers like factories, but can't see individual attitudes shifting on (including my own, if I'm honest, though I have a smaller carbon footprint than most where I live, I think) ...

*driving, especially solo, for non-essential reasons (public transit increases would need large taxpayer input and shifting attitudes toward timing of it... don't think we'll ever give up our cars until fuel is ridiculously expensive)
*single use plastic, and the willy nilly attitude to sorting what we dispose ('contamination' sending recycling to landfill)
*food production and waste (we import so much here and I can't see us ever adapting our diets to 'local' during winter/spring, but even if we had more greenhouses, costs will rise to satisfy people's wage needs... our local farms already rely on immigrant labour from Mexico and the Caribbean as Canadians can't/won't work at the rates farmers pay to get by), not to mention how much gets binned because markets HAVE (our want more than theirs) to have entire racks fully stocked with fruit/veg, meat fridges stocked and looking perfect (I buy from the 'eat it today' shelf/section in the freezer all the time, but can only imagine how much ends up binned)

I'd LOVE for us to shift attitudes and practices, and think I'd be prepared to make a lot of changes personally, but don't think governments proposing big changes will get the support they'd need from the masses until we're staring crisis directly in the face / the majority of people are impacted directly by climate change. (Hence my thought above ... though probably more accurately, the generations that follow us could be 'fudged' because of attitudes now)

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:55 pm
Agriculture contributes about a third of human greenhouse gas emissions. A substantial amount of that is land use change and that land being put to growing crops for animal feed. Producing a kilo of beef produces 25-30 times the amount of greenhouse gas than producing a kilo of wheat.

I’m not advocating going completely vegan, but I’m trying to work my way towards the EAT-Lancet diet. The most significant part of it is probably replacing a lot of your protein with nuts and legumes. But it still lines up something a kilo of chicken, half a kilo of red meat and just under a kilo of fish each month per adult. So depending on what you do with it, that is about two portions of chicken, one portion red meat and one or two portions of fish each week, unless you’re a fat bastard size portion every day kind of person. Which I have been in the past.

https://eatforum.org/eat-lancet-commiss ... t-and-you/

https://eatforum.org/content/uploads/20 ... Report.pdf

Fangle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:41 pm What is defined as meat? All flesh or only that from certain species?

Fangle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:20 pm My son has tried the lab meat and both types tasted fine, but the smell of one was off putting. I eat mainly chicken anyway, with a steak only now and then. Chicken is a lot cheaper.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:59 am Australia burned. France burned. The US is burning. Turkey is burning. Greece is burning.

But there is no global warming [/ Fat Albert]

laurent wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:51 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:59 am Australia burned. France burned. The US is burning. Turkey is burning. Greece is burning.

But there is no global warming [/ Fat Albert]

Add Sweden and Finland + a lot of siberia (ghost fires seem to be great fun).

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:17 pm

laurent wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:51 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:59 am Australia burned. France burned. The US is burning. Turkey is burning. Greece is burning.

But there is no global warming [/ Fat Albert]

Add Sweden and Finland + a lot of siberia (ghost fires seem to be great fun).

And we are worried about COVID FFS

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:55 pm 1.5 billion extra Chinese and Indians getting electricity and a taste for the finer things in life in the last 15 years hasn’t been good.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:06 pm The main problem is that the vast majority of people just don’t give a shit, even well educated wealthy people who have no excuses.

As a example that does my head in I walked down my street tonight and counted 5 cars in a row parked up with their engines on talking away on their phones. I know it’s a tiny thing in the scheme of things, but it drives me nuts.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:06 pm The main problem is that the vast majority of people just don’t give a shit, even well educated wealthy people who have no excuses.

As a example that does my head in I walked down my street tonight and counted 5 cars in a row parked up with their engines on talking away on their phones. I know it’s a tiny thing in the scheme of things, but it drives me nuts.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:06 pm The main problem is that the vast majority of people just don’t give a shit, even well educated wealthy people who have no excuses.

As a example that does my head in I walked down my street tonight and counted 5 cars in a row parked up with their engines on talking away on their phones. I know it’s a tiny thing in the scheme of things, but it drives me nuts.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:52 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:06 pm The main problem is that the vast majority of people just don’t give a shit, even well educated wealthy people who have no excuses.

As a example that does my head in I walked down my street tonight and counted 5 cars in a row parked up with their engines on talking away on their phones. I know it’s a tiny thing in the scheme of things, but it drives me nuts.

Some will claim they do, but in reality it's clearly not enough of a shit for them to change their lives in any way that might be even a minor inconvenience.

Ymx wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:06 am

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:06 pm The main problem is that the vast majority of people just don’t give a shit, even well educated wealthy people who have no excuses.

As a example that does my head in I walked down my street tonight and counted 5 cars in a row parked up with their engines on talking away on their phones. I know it’s a tiny thing in the scheme of things, but it drives me nuts.

The UK is small fry in the scheme of things. Until China, India, USA, Russia can change and develop and environmental conscience we are all fucked. It doesn’t matter if we have zero output.

I’m not saying we should give up and do nothing our end fwiw.