Subjective opinions only. Can be based on whatever criteria you like. Add any other sports you like.
Tennis - Novak Djokovich
Golf - Tiger Woods
F1 - Ayrton Senna
Football - Lionel Messi
Rugby - Dan Carter
Track & Field - Usain Bolt
Sport G.O.A.Ts
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RichieRich89
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Boxing - Cassius Clay
Basketball - Michael Jordan
Basketball - Michael Jordan
Re Tiger Woods, as much as he dominated the sport, I'm not sure he had the same calibre of competition as Jack Nicklaus, and Nicklaus still holds the record for majors.
There is the famous anecdote from Arnold Palmer who said of a young Nicklaus, "He plays a game with which I'm not familiar"
Nicklaus recreated the quote for Woods, but Majors are the benchmark, Woods didn't have to beat Gary Player, Palmer and an up and coming Tom Watson and Seve etc
There is the famous anecdote from Arnold Palmer who said of a young Nicklaus, "He plays a game with which I'm not familiar"
Nicklaus recreated the quote for Woods, but Majors are the benchmark, Woods didn't have to beat Gary Player, Palmer and an up and coming Tom Watson and Seve etc
Golf: Nicklaus, holds the record for majors.
Rugby: McCaw
Tennis: Federer -- same number of majors but did it with unparalleled style and grace.
Cricket: Garry Sobers
Basketball: Michael Jordan
Baseball: Nolan Ryan
Track and field: Sergei Bubka
Soccer: Pele
Boxing: Muhammed Ali
Rugby: McCaw
Tennis: Federer -- same number of majors but did it with unparalleled style and grace.
Cricket: Garry Sobers
Basketball: Michael Jordan
Baseball: Nolan Ryan
Track and field: Sergei Bubka
Soccer: Pele
Boxing: Muhammed Ali
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boere wors
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Tennis - Roger Federer
F1 - Ayrton Senna
Football - Diego Maradona
Rugby - Dan Carter
Boxing - Muhammad Ali
Basketball - Michael Jordan
Hockey - Wayne Gretzky
Cycling - Eddy Merckx
F1 - Ayrton Senna
Football - Diego Maradona
Rugby - Dan Carter
Boxing - Muhammad Ali
Basketball - Michael Jordan
Hockey - Wayne Gretzky
Cycling - Eddy Merckx
The first international match I went to was Scotland versus Graham Mourie's All Blacks in 1978, when I was a school boy.
You've had some great backrow players since then, some of the best of their generations.
Jerry Collins was one of my favourites, but McCaw was the best player, ever.
Mourie ranks as perhaps our greatest ever captain, at least in the Top 3, and he was a pretty damned useful openside.Tichtheid wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:34 pm
The first international match I went to was Scotland versus Graham Mourie's All Blacks in 1978, when I was a school boy.
You've had some great backrow players since then, some of the best of their generations.
Jerry Collins was one of my favourites, but McCaw was the best player, ever.
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Insane_Homer
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Do woman also play sport?Kawazaki wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:03 pm Subjective opinions only. Can be based on whatever criteria you like. Add any other sports you like.
Tennis - Novak Djokovich
Golf - Tiger Woods
F1 - Ayrton Senna
Football - Lionel Messi
Rugby - Dan Carter
Track & Field - Usain Bolt
Gymnastics - Simone Biles
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
NFL - Tom Brady
Billiards - Walter Lindrum
AFL - Gary Ablett (actually he was God, but close enough)
Rowing - Steve Redgrave
Rugby League - Dally Messenger
Tennis - Margaret Court
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Croquet - Robert Fulford
Snooker - Ronnie O'Sullivan
Baseball - Babe Ruth
Billiards - Walter Lindrum
AFL - Gary Ablett (actually he was God, but close enough)
Rowing - Steve Redgrave
Rugby League - Dally Messenger
Tennis - Margaret Court
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Croquet - Robert Fulford
Snooker - Ronnie O'Sullivan
Baseball - Babe Ruth
Same here, mostly because of his style of play.
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clydecloggie
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Disagree. He was a batsman.
Cricket's GOAT is either Gary Sobers or Jacques Kallis.
This is my hill. Here is my rifle. I stand ready.
I'm sorry, there is only one and it is indeed Gary Sobersclydecloggie wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:42 pmDisagree. He was a batsman.
Cricket's GOAT is either Gary Sobers or Jacques Kallis.
This is my hill. Here is my rifle. I stand ready.
My hill is taller. He was a brilliant batsman with an average of 99.clydecloggie wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:42 pmDisagree. He was a batsman.
Cricket's GOAT is either Gary Sobers or Jacques Kallis.
This is my hill. Here is my rifle. I stand ready.
His stats are so ridiculously far above any other he stands out for miles as the goat.
My hill is a cricket mountain boyo
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I'm Messi over Ronaldo for football.
Nadal for tennis. Federer is sublime and Djokovic is an absolute phenom but Nadal is a mix of the two and would be way ahead of both if his knees and ankles weren't made of play-doh.
Nadal for tennis. Federer is sublime and Djokovic is an absolute phenom but Nadal is a mix of the two and would be way ahead of both if his knees and ankles weren't made of play-doh.
I err slightly on the side of Ronaldo in football because he played in more leagues and I think he is more versatile and well rounded - clearly better in the air. However, I think its perfectly reasonable to put Messi above him. Or Pele or Maradona for that matter.
I would go with Dan Carter over McCaw in rugby because I think as a general rule a flyhalf exerts more influence over a game than an openside and because Carter was a really complete player and very good in pressure situations. His drop goal in the 2015 RWC final just exemplifies his greatness in my opinion.
I would go with Dan Carter over McCaw in rugby because I think as a general rule a flyhalf exerts more influence over a game than an openside and because Carter was a really complete player and very good in pressure situations. His drop goal in the 2015 RWC final just exemplifies his greatness in my opinion.
His bowling economy rate was 2.70Hugo wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:15 pm Just curious - would Bradman be greatest batsman rather than greatest cricketer? How important are specialist top order batsmen compared to all rounders who can do a bit of everything?
QED
I second your nomination of Joe Montanawestport wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:30 pm Swimming Michael Phelps
Boxing Ali
Golf Jack Nicklaus
Basketball Michael Jordan
American Football Joe Montana
Wendyball can't decide between Pele, Diego Maradona, Johan Cruyff
Motorbike Giacomo Agostini
Why Montana over Tom Brady?Kiwias wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:08 amI second your nomination of Joe Montanawestport wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:30 pm Swimming Michael Phelps
Boxing Ali
Golf Jack Nicklaus
Basketball Michael Jordan
American Football Joe Montana
Wendyball can't decide between Pele, Diego Maradona, Johan Cruyff
Motorbike Giacomo Agostini
Tichtheid wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:26 pm Re Tiger Woods, as much as he dominated the sport, I'm not sure he had the same calibre of competition as Jack Nicklaus, and Nicklaus still holds the record for majors.
There is the famous anecdote from Arnold Palmer who said of a young Nicklaus, "He plays a game with which I'm not familiar"
Nicklaus recreated the quote for Woods, but Majors are the benchmark, Woods didn't have to beat Gary Player, Palmer and an up and coming Tom Watson and Seve etc
I'm not sure about that at all. Woods introduced something to golf that hadn't really been seen before. Gary Player was a very fit golfer and understood that he needed to do work in the gym to make him a better golfer but Woods took it to a whole other level. Look at videos of Nicklaus and Palmer when they were in their early 20s and it's likely both will have a cigarette hanging out of their mouth and Nicklaus was noticibly chubby. Tiger wasn't just a golfer, he was also an athlete and one of the greatest if not the greatest pressure putters there's ever been despite most people associating power with him.
I was going to say he was a good driver...
Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:17 am
I'm not sure about that at all. Woods introduced something to golf that hadn't really been seen before. Gary Player was a very fit golfer and understood that he needed to do work in the gym to make him a better golfer but Woods took it to a whole other level. Look at videos of Nicklaus and Palmer when they were in their early 20s and it's likely both will have a cigarette hanging out of their mouth and Nicklaus was noticibly chubby. Tiger wasn't just a golfer, he was also an athlete and one of the greatest if not the greatest pressure putters there's ever been despite most people associating power with him.
I was going to say he was a good driver...
It's always difficult to compare across eras, when Nicklaus was playing it was at a time when it was commonplace for other sports stars, especially footballers, to spend their afternoon in the pub and at the bookies. Footballers are a completely different shape now. Alex Ferguson and then Arsene Wenger are credited with bringing about a culture change in the English game, it was always going to happen, sports science was expedited in the NFL, it was only a matter of time before football looked at what was happening there regarding diet, training, recovery, sports psychology etc.
I genuinely don't think Woods had the same competition, however there is one benchmark that we can look to and that is majors, these are the ones the players want, for that reason I still think Nicklaus is the GOAT, so far.
Nicklaus is widely credited with introducing the concept of course measurement, while he also brought physical training into a sport not known for it.Kawazaki wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:17 amTichtheid wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:26 pm Re Tiger Woods, as much as he dominated the sport, I'm not sure he had the same calibre of competition as Jack Nicklaus, and Nicklaus still holds the record for majors.
There is the famous anecdote from Arnold Palmer who said of a young Nicklaus, "He plays a game with which I'm not familiar"
Nicklaus recreated the quote for Woods, but Majors are the benchmark, Woods didn't have to beat Gary Player, Palmer and an up and coming Tom Watson and Seve etc
I'm not sure about that at all. Woods introduced something to golf that hadn't really been seen before. Gary Player was a very fit golfer and understood that he needed to do work in the gym to make him a better golfer but Woods took it to a whole other level. Look at videos of Nicklaus and Palmer when they were in their early 20s and it's likely both will have a cigarette hanging out of their mouth and Nicklaus was noticibly chubby. Tiger wasn't just a golfer, he was also an athlete and one of the greatest if not the greatest pressure putters there's ever been despite most people associating power with him.
I was going to say he was a good driver...