Official Lions selection, moaning and bitching thread

[Yr Alban]

Nope, not seeing that reported anywhere so far.

Was actually thinking how balanced the 23 ended up being. England 5 starters, Scotland/Wales/Ireland 3 each, bench has 2 from each country. I know it wasn’t planned that way, but that’s representative.

Not a supporter of PR then?

I’m more impressed that they’re playing with only 14 starters, brave move.

Clearly I can’t count

[Slick]

Seems to be lots of groups from around the U.K. in Edinburgh today for the match, Lions tops everywhere

[clive]

Reading on PR that Wyn Jones is out and Sutherland to start with Mako to the bench.
No confirmation anywhere yet though!!!

Nope, not seeing that reported anywhere so far.

Was actually thinking how balanced the 23 ended up being. England 5 starters, Scotland/Wales/Ireland 3 each, bench has 2 from each country. I know it wasn’t planned that way, but that’s representative.

Thought Beard and Josh Adams are both unlucky to not make the 23, but I can see them playing in the other tests, If VDM is taken to the cleaners in defence, then Adams steps in.

[Yr Alban]

Reading on PR that Wyn Jones is out and Sutherland to start with Mako to the bench.
No confirmation anywhere yet though!!!

Nope, not seeing that reported anywhere so far.

Was actually thinking how balanced the 23 ended up being. England 5 starters, Scotland/Wales/Ireland 3 each, bench has 2 from each country. I know it wasn’t planned that way, but that’s representative.

Thought Beard and Josh Adams are both unlucky to not make the 23, but I can see them playing in the other tests, If VDM is taken to the cleaners in defence, then Adams steps in.

Could easily happen. DVDM hasn’t done anything on the tour to suggest this is more likely to happen to him than anyone else, though

[Jock42]

Seems to be lots of groups from around the U.K. in Edinburgh today for the match, Lions tops everywhere

I'm down there in a fortnight, I'll be dragging a few mates to watch it somewhere. Will probably leave the top at home though.

[clive]

Nope, not seeing that reported anywhere so far.

Was actually thinking how balanced the 23 ended up being. England 5 starters, Scotland/Wales/Ireland 3 each, bench has 2 from each country. I know it wasn’t planned that way, but that’s representative.

Thought Beard and Josh Adams are both unlucky to not make the 23, but I can see them playing in the other tests, If VDM is taken to the cleaners in defence, then Adams steps in.

Could easily happen. DVDM hasn’t done anything on the tour to suggest this is more likely to happen to him than anyone else, though

Think Zammit could also feature in the other tests he should have been in the 23 with a cameo in the final quarter against tired legs, and don't forget burned VDM against Scotland.

[Slick]

Thought Beard and Josh Adams are both unlucky to not make the 23, but I can see them playing in the other tests, If VDM is taken to the cleaners in defence, then Adams steps in.

Could easily happen. DVDM hasn’t done anything on the tour to suggest this is more likely to happen to him than anyone else, though

Think Zammit could also feature in the other tests he should have been in the 23 with a cameo in the final quarter against tired legs, and don't forget burned VDM against Scotland.

You are a very boring man

[Slick]

Seems to be lots of groups from around the U.K. in Edinburgh today for the match, Lions tops everywhere

I'm down there in a fortnight, I'll be dragging a few mates to watch it somewhere. Will probably leave the top at home though.

Have a table booked somewhere with HKJ and Crash69 for that, might bump into you for a pint!

[Jock42]

Seems to be lots of groups from around the U.K. in Edinburgh today for the match, Lions tops everywhere

I'm down there in a fortnight, I'll be dragging a few mates to watch it somewhere. Will probably leave the top at home though.

Have a table booked somewhere with HKJ and Crash69 for that, might bump into you for a pint!

Nice one. Have a good one if I don't bump into yous.

[Slick]

Heard the Wyn Jones - Sutherland swap from a more reliable source a minute ago.

Could be bollocks still of course

[SaintK]

Heard the Wyn Jones - Sutherland swap from a more reliable source a minute ago.

Could be bollocks still of course

Formally confirmed at 12:30 Jones withdrawn as shoulder not quite recovered
Sutherland in, Mako to the bench

[Slick]

Heard the Wyn Jones - Sutherland swap from a more reliable source a minute ago.

Could be bollocks still of course

Formally confirmed at 12:30 Jones withdrawn as shoulder not quite recovered
Sutherland in, Mako to the bench

So just the 2 starters for the Welsh, sounds about right

[clive]

Could easily happen. DVDM hasn’t done anything on the tour to suggest this is more likely to happen to him than anyone else, though

Think Zammit could also feature in the other tests he should have been in the 23 with a cameo in the final quarter against tired legs, and don't forget burned VDM against Scotland.

You are a very boring man

And yet you read my posts, if you find me boring then run headlong into a brick wall then upload the injury to cheer us up.

[clive]

Heard the Wyn Jones - Sutherland swap from a more reliable source a minute ago.

Could be bollocks still of course

Formally confirmed at 12:30 Jones withdrawn as shoulder not quite recovered
Sutherland in, Mako to the bench

So just the 2 starters for the Welsh, sounds about right

Wales did much better than those English cunts in the WC so lets see what happens today.

[Big D]

Awful luck for Jones. Got to feel for him.

[clive]

Awful luck for Jones. Got to feel for him.

Well Said, special occasion and on the day of the match.

[Yr Alban]

Awful luck for Jones. Got to feel for him.

Yup. I expect he’ll be back for game 2 though, unless Rory plays a blinder.

[Yr Alban]

Thought Beard and Josh Adams are both unlucky to not make the 23, but I can see them playing in the other tests, If VDM is taken to the cleaners in defence, then Adams steps in.

Could easily happen. DVDM hasn’t done anything on the tour to suggest this is more likely to happen to him than anyone else, though

Think Zammit could also feature in the other tests he should have been in the 23 with a cameo in the final quarter against tired legs, and don't forget burned VDM against Scotland.

LRZ’s defence was ropey. Missed 9 tackles in the 6N, over twice as many as any other winger on the tour. His time will come, but not his time around I don’t think.

[ScarfaceClaw]

Heard the Wyn Jones - Sutherland swap from a more reliable source a minute ago.

Could be bollocks still of course

More reliable than Planet Jake? Is there such a mythical thing?

[SaintK]

Heard the Wyn Jones - Sutherland swap from a more reliable source a minute ago.

Could be bollocks still of course

More reliable than Planet Jake? Is there such a mythical thing?

To be fair, he did say earlier this morning it was going to be announced at 12 noon and it was anounced at 12:30

[Raggs]

Can anyone tell me more about this shirt?



I've got one just like it. Wondered where it actually belongs in lions history etc?

[Line6 HXFX]

Can we not just bring all the Welsh players home now? They have less Lions places than the Scottish when the Scots used to come 5th.

This sky sports, Engish shit show really isn't worth it.

[Slick]

Formally confirmed at 12:30 Jones withdrawn as shoulder not quite recovered
Sutherland in, Mako to the bench

So just the 2 starters for the Welsh, sounds about right

Wales did much better than those English cunts in the WC so lets see what happens today.

Early start or topping up from last night?

[Big D]

Can anyone tell me more about this shirt?



I've got one just like it. Wondered where it actually belongs in lions history etc?

Training top from 05.

[Raggs]

Can anyone tell me more about this shirt?



I've got one just like it. Wondered where it actually belongs in lions history etc?

Training top from 05.

Was wondering, but no sponsorship on it. I'm wondering if it was just a generic lions shirt released by Adidas? No quote below the shield either, which is different to a lot that I've seen.

[Raggs]

Ah, think I've found it :D.

https://www.classicrugbyshirts.com/2005 ... 6508-p.asp

2005 training top. Cheers fellas :).

Now the question is what shirt to wear to the rugby club today. That, or a recent normal shirt from the Aus/NZ tours. I'm thinking I'll go with that (assuming it fits OK!).

[Big D]

Given who SA have on the bench I wonder if there was any temptation to start Vunipola knowing Sutherland is a better scrummager than MV.

[Big D]

Ah, think I've found it :D.

https://www.classicrugbyshirts.com/2005 ... 6508-p.asp

2005 training top. Cheers fellas :).

Now the question is what shirt to wear to the rugby club today. That, or a recent normal shirt from the Aus/NZ tours. I'm thinking I'll go with that (assuming it fits OK!).

I have this years "warm up" top. Like it much better than the last two tours gear. The 05 and 01 kit was decent. Lasted ages in training.

97 was the last tour of the heavier tops.

[Slick]

Awful luck for Jones. Got to feel for him.

Yup. Sounds like it is a minor shoulder injury (not that it will be minor for a prop) so hopefully he will get his chance

[Big D]

On to next week. The only real changes I'd be crying out for is Daly to be replaced and AWJ be a little more aggressive. Those 2 pens that were missed should have went to the corner IMO (said it at the time).

Seen some criticism of LCD and Surherland at scrum time but immediately after half time it was better. The Bok starting front row were at it. The scrums where they actually had to set rather than engage and faf get it in quickly were night and day.

[Uncle fester]

Swap out Daly, VDM, Sutherland and Watson. Start Owens. That's it.

[ASMO]

I would only swap out Daly, he was several magnitudes shitter than the rest. Remember we won this game, no need for wholesale changes, i have not seen a single thing from this SA team that worries me. That is no disrepect to them, but they are a limited team, playing a limited game that the Lions have nullified.

[tc27]

Daly for the squad center best suited to crash ball (Aki?).

Otherwise no ther changes needed IMO - the teams biggest weakness was lack of cohesion. Lots of players we know can deliver had bad first halfs and feel dropping them is an overreaction.

[ScarfaceClaw]

I would only swap out Daly, he was several magnitudes shitter than the rest. Remember we won this game, no need for wholesale changes, i have not seen a single thing from this SA team that worries me. That is no disrepect to them, but they are a limited team, playing a limited game that the Lions have nullified.

Yep. Sefrica were very poor in that second half. Aimless kicking from a single game plan. Offered nothing in attack other than the box kick from De Klerk. Sefrica are going to have to up their game massively next week or the Lions will just do the same to them again.

[Big D]

Yes I think we need to remember most of the Lions combos had never played a game together. But that is partly on the coaches. Should be better next week.

[Openside]

On to next week. The only real changes I'd be crying out for is Daly to be replaced and AWJ be a little more aggressive. Those 2 pens that were missed should have went to the corner IMO (said it at the time).

Seen some criticism of LCD and Surherland at scrum time but immediately after half time it was better. The Bok starting front row were at it. The scrums where they actually had to set rather than engage and faf get it in quickly were night and day.

I reckon Lawes is in as AWJ is wearing a brace to prevent his shoulder from going too far back which renders him unable to extend in the line out as I can’t recall the ball thrown to him???

[dpedin]

On to next week. The only real changes I'd be crying out for is Daly to be replaced and AWJ be a little more aggressive. Those 2 pens that were missed should have went to the corner IMO (said it at the time).

Seen some criticism of LCD and Surherland at scrum time but immediately after half time it was better. The Bok starting front row were at it. The scrums where they actually had to set rather than engage and faf get it in quickly were night and day.

I reckon Lawes is in as AWJ is wearing a brace to prevent his shoulder from going too far back which renders him unable to extend in the line out as I can’t recall the ball thrown to him???

Agree about Daly - I would swap in Harris. Otherwise I would leave the team the same and let SA worry about what they need to do to make up the lost ground. I might also put Adams on the bench instead of Williams as he offers more attacking threat on the wing than Williams does.

[Biffer]

Seems to me, this is exactly what you want a world class full back to do.

[Happyhooker]

On to next week. The only real changes I'd be crying out for is Daly to be replaced and AWJ be a little more aggressive. Those 2 pens that were missed should have went to the corner IMO (said it at the time).

Seen some criticism of LCD and Surherland at scrum time but immediately after half time it was better. The Bok starting front row were at it. The scrums where they actually had to set rather than engage and faf get it in quickly were night and day.

I reckon Lawes is in as AWJ is wearing a brace to prevent his shoulder from going too far back which renders him unable to extend in the line out as I can’t recall the ball thrown to him???

The first lineout was thrown to him

[Line6 HXFX]

Worrah Twatgland gave the Scots and the sky sports vanity English players a go, as he had to and was probably contracted to, but they need to go now.

So Liam Williams.
Josh Adam's.
Wyn Jones.
Falatau and Beard to start.

Gareth Davies and Navidi on the bench.