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A bit of a rip - even with discount vouchers they were £80 each - but they work exactly as described. A mug with a small heater that keeps your tea/coffee at whatever temperature you set it at.
I bought them mainly for the missus who barely gets a chance to drink her coffee with the kids giving her the runaround, but I'm finding it quite handy as well.
That looks decent for the price, to be fair.Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:56 am Just bought the Seagull 1963 mechanical chronograph.
Beautiful thing, with the superb ST19 mechanical column wheel movement.
Every watch collector should have one. A mechanical chronograph with this type of movement for under 1000 quid is unheard of and it makes this watch an anomaly.
Ps)don't start fucking watch collecting.
My best budget watch purchase was a vintage 70s Seiko Lordmatic which set me back about £80.
At some point I will need to replace my SKX007, which I like wearing but turned out be quite poor quality, with another budget diver.
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Ahh the SKX007, a superb watch. I recently bought one of the Seiko Street Tunas, which is a very versatile and robust bit if kit, where you can take off the shroud and basically have a completely different watch.robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:23 pmThat looks decent for the price, to be fair.Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:56 am Just bought the Seagull 1963 mechanical chronograph.
Beautiful thing, with the superb ST19 mechanical column wheel movement.
Every watch collector should have one. A mechanical chronograph with this type of movement for under 1000 quid is unheard of and it makes this watch an anomaly.
Ps)don't start fucking watch collecting.
My best budget watch purchase was a vintage 70s Seiko Lordmatic which set me back about £80.
At some point I will need to replace my SKX007, which I like wearing but turned out be quite poor quality, with another budget diver.
This thing though is solar powered, which some automatic fanatics hate...but it loses just 15 seconds a month.
Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:56 am Just bought the Seagull 1963 mechanical chronograph.
Beautiful thing, with the superb ST19 mechanical column wheel movement.
Every watch collector should have one. A mechanical chronograph with this type of movement for under 1000 quid is unheard of and it makes this watch an anomaly.
Ps)don't start fucking watch collecting.
I’ve been wanting a Seagull 1963 for a while now, lovely watches, but there are so many fakes going about.
Personally I love Vostok Amphibias, amazing value for a fully automatic watch and there is an almost infinite amount of case/face/bezel/hands combinations.
Shame you got a bad SKX, it's the one affordable watch which will never leave my collection. Have you considered an Orient Triton, the older model with the power reserve indicator.robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:23 pmThat looks decent for the price, to be fair.Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:56 am Just bought the Seagull 1963 mechanical chronograph.
Beautiful thing, with the superb ST19 mechanical column wheel movement.
Every watch collector should have one. A mechanical chronograph with this type of movement for under 1000 quid is unheard of and it makes this watch an anomaly.
Ps)don't start fucking watch collecting.
My best budget watch purchase was a vintage 70s Seiko Lordmatic which set me back about £80.
At some point I will need to replace my SKX007, which I like wearing but turned out be quite poor quality, with another budget diver.
I've recently bought a 1990 GMT Master 16700 with a bezel insert slightly more faded than the one in the picture. Completely original with all box, papers and two Rolex service receipts. I have just had it serviced again by Rolex and had the bezel insert replaced so I can preserve the faded bezel. I love it but it would break my heart to damage it. The watch is probably (but maybe not) the final piece that I have been able to build up over 30 years of collecting and trading and i'm very proud of it.
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That's a fabulous looking timepiece BM, for a 30 yr old watch it looks immaculate. I've had several Brietlings/TAGs/Omegas but, have always shied away from Rolex. Probably because of the initial outlay, but also because of the eye-watering service cost and arguably, a slightly 'blingy' image perpetuated over the last 20 yrs. That said, your watch looks class and beautifully understated. Envious me.
Thanks very much. It's got a few scuffs which I declined to get polished out during the service, but yes its in great nick. Watches and whisky are really my only vices and I actually convinced my wife that I needed to sell some shares and invest in tangible assets to get this. Bugger gold, this is far more fun.Wyndham Upalot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:57 pm That's a fabulous looking timepiece BM, for a 30 yr old watch it looks immaculate. I've had several Brietlings/TAGs/Omegas but, have always shied away from Rolex. Probably because of the initial outlay, but also because of the eye-watering service cost and arguably, a slightly 'blingy' image perpetuated over the last 20 yrs. That said, your watch looks class and beautifully understated. Envious me.
Rolex servicing costs are actually now slightly cheaper than Breitling and Omegas and the service intervals more realistic. The only thing that annoys me is their refusal to return replaced parts unless you pay for them. It actually cost me £80 just to get my old bezel insert back.
Lovely watch mate and I scratched that itch myself a few years ago but moved it on after about 18 months. To be fair there are quite a few chronos with the Valjous 7750 movement that come in under a grand, the Steinhart being a good example.Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:56 am Just bought the Seagull 1963 mechanical chronograph.
Beautiful thing, with the superb ST19 mechanical column wheel movement.
Every watch collector should have one. A mechanical chronograph with this type of movement for under 1000 quid is unheard of and it makes this watch an anomaly.
Ps)don't start fucking watch collecting.
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The fake thing in is a bit if a weird one with regard to these. You can go to the Sea-Gull website and buy a "genuine" Sea hyphen Gull one, for top dollar, but they only got back into the 1963 game in 2018, after realising how popular these watches are.Tattie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:34 amLine6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:56 am Just bought the Seagull 1963 mechanical chronograph.
Beautiful thing, with the superb ST19 mechanical column wheel movement.
Every watch collector should have one. A mechanical chronograph with this type of movement for under 1000 quid is unheard of and it makes this watch an anomaly.
Ps)don't start fucking watch collecting.
I’ve been wanting a Seagull 1963 for a while now, lovely watches, but there are so many fakes going about.
Personally I love Vostok Amphibias, amazing value for a fully automatic watch and there is an almost infinite amount of case/face/bezel/hands combinations.
Before this many Chinese companies using this movement reissued the Watch.
This guy researched it all and made a great video.
Fact is if you have one of these watches it isn't a fake as companies essentially would be cloning a clone of a clone.
The movement though is likely to be genuine.
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I just don't get watch collectingBlackmac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:17 pm
I've recently bought a 1990 GMT Master 16700 with a bezel insert slightly more faded than the one in the picture. Completely original with all box, papers and two Rolex service receipts. I have just had it serviced again by Rolex and had the bezel insert replaced so I can preserve the faded bezel. I love it but it would break my heart to damage it. The watch is probably (but maybe not) the final piece that I have been able to build up over 30 years of collecting and trading and i'm very proud of it.
Sure, if I had £ gazillions I'd be straight off to Breguet but how many watches can you wear or even get utility from?
I hadn't but that is quite smart. I also like the old Orient Makos.Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:06 pmShame you got a bad SKX, it's the one affordable watch which will never leave my collection. Have you considered an Orient Triton, the older model with the power reserve indicator.robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:23 pmThat looks decent for the price, to be fair.Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:56 am Just bought the Seagull 1963 mechanical chronograph.
Beautiful thing, with the superb ST19 mechanical column wheel movement.
Every watch collector should have one. A mechanical chronograph with this type of movement for under 1000 quid is unheard of and it makes this watch an anomaly.
Ps)don't start fucking watch collecting.
My best budget watch purchase was a vintage 70s Seiko Lordmatic which set me back about £80.
At some point I will need to replace my SKX007, which I like wearing but turned out be quite poor quality, with another budget diver.
Another good choice but I found the original Mako a bit too pretty and shiny and it didn't look right on a NATO strap which is what I use on a lot of my watches. Always thought the Mako XL might have been a better choice.robmatic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:10 amI hadn't but that is quite smart. I also like the old Orient Makos.Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:06 pmShame you got a bad SKX, it's the one affordable watch which will never leave my collection. Have you considered an Orient Triton, the older model with the power reserve indicator.robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:23 pm
That looks decent for the price, to be fair.
My best budget watch purchase was a vintage 70s Seiko Lordmatic which set me back about £80.
At some point I will need to replace my SKX007, which I like wearing but turned out be quite poor quality, with another budget diver.
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It's a funny thing, this Seagull 1963 on a saphire blue NATO strap, that matches the hands on the the thing makes me feel like a million bucks, when I look at it.
It kinda changes my mood.
It just gives you a little lift, looking at pretty things.
It is nice to have a small collection of nice watches that you can swap in and out of circulation, dependent on weather, day of the week, activity or occasion.
It is also a interesting field to study and learn about.
Lots of youtube resources.
My idea of interesting probably isn't others idea of interesting though.
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Cool camper Ovals, very classy. Not cheap by the looks of it, but you get what you pays as they say.
Thanks - you're right - I try not to think about how much I've just spent on it - but we found the VW T6 a bit uncomfortable - this is quite luxurious inside - so we'll use it more and, therefore, get more value from it. We'd planned on buying a new one but the the waiting list is over a year - we were very lucky to find this one, a private sale with just 5800 miles on it, that hadn't been advertised. We live just 15 mins from the New Forest, so lots of nice spots to visit over the winter.Wyndham Upalot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:01 pm Cool camper Ovals, very classy. Not cheap by the looks of it, but you get what you pays as they say.
I am somewhat fascinated by the desire to collect. What do you expect to do with your collection? will you leave it to your kids /a museum or sell it to help fund retirement?Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:17 pm
I've recently bought a 1990 GMT Master 16700 with a bezel insert slightly more faded than the one in the picture. Completely original with all box, papers and two Rolex service receipts. I have just had it serviced again by Rolex and had the bezel insert replaced so I can preserve the faded bezel. I love it but it would break my heart to damage it. The watch is probably (but maybe not) the final piece that I have been able to build up over 30 years of collecting and trading and i'm very proud of it.
Openside wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:54 pmI am somewhat fascinated by the desire to collect. What do you expect to do with your collection? will you leave it to your kids /a museum or sell it to help fund retirement?Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:17 pm
I've recently bought a 1990 GMT Master 16700 with a bezel insert slightly more faded than the one in the picture. Completely original with all box, papers and two Rolex service receipts. I have just had it serviced again by Rolex and had the bezel insert replaced so I can preserve the faded bezel. I love it but it would break my heart to damage it. The watch is probably (but maybe not) the final piece that I have been able to build up over 30 years of collecting and trading and i'm very proud of it.
I know a guy who collected guitars, first because he loves them, but also to fund his retirement.
On the other hand there is reputedly a guy who has bought tons of 1959 Gibson Les Paul guitars, including stolen items from famous guitarists.
He just hoards them.
I see no point in that beyond some weird power/ego thing the guy has.
This also happened in the folk music world with a guy hoarding master tapes and rights of music and refusing to release it
So you’re saying that some people are cunts.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:16 pmOpenside wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:54 pmI am somewhat fascinated by the desire to collect. What do you expect to do with your collection? will you leave it to your kids /a museum or sell it to help fund retirement?Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:17 pm
I've recently bought a 1990 GMT Master 16700 with a bezel insert slightly more faded than the one in the picture. Completely original with all box, papers and two Rolex service receipts. I have just had it serviced again by Rolex and had the bezel insert replaced so I can preserve the faded bezel. I love it but it would break my heart to damage it. The watch is probably (but maybe not) the final piece that I have been able to build up over 30 years of collecting and trading and i'm very proud of it.
I know a guy who collected guitars, first because he loves them, but also to fund his retirement.
On the other hand there is reputedly a guy who has bought tons of 1959 Gibson Les Paul guitars, including stolen items from famous guitarists.
He just hoards them.
I see no point in that beyond some weird power/ego thing the guy has.
This also happened in the folk music world with a guy hoarding master tapes and rights of music and refusing to release it
I might not have put it so prosaically, but yes, I think that is what I’m sayingSandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:18 pmSo you’re saying that some people are cunts.Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:16 pm
I know a guy who collected guitars, first because he loves them, but also to fund his retirement.
On the other hand there is reputedly a guy who has bought tons of 1959 Gibson Les Paul guitars, including stolen items from famous guitarists.
He just hoards them.
I see no point in that beyond some weird power/ego thing the guy has.
This also happened in the folk music world with a guy hoarding master tapes and rights of music and refusing to release it
Mainly it is just a fascination with the watches themselves. Experiencing the different qualities and designs and enjoying wearing them. I have probably owned over 100 watches in my life, most of which I have worn for a while and then moved on for something new, rarely losing any money, often making a wee profit and on one occasion making a very substantial profit.Openside wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:54 pmI am somewhat fascinated by the desire to collect. What do you expect to do with your collection? will you leave it to your kids /a museum or sell it to help fund retirement?Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:17 pm
I've recently bought a 1990 GMT Master 16700 with a bezel insert slightly more faded than the one in the picture. Completely original with all box, papers and two Rolex service receipts. I have just had it serviced again by Rolex and had the bezel insert replaced so I can preserve the faded bezel. I love it but it would break my heart to damage it. The watch is probably (but maybe not) the final piece that I have been able to build up over 30 years of collecting and trading and i'm very proud of it.
Currently I have 6 watches, two Rolex, an Omega, a Cartier, a Girard Perregaux and a Seiko SKX. The first 3 will be very decent long term investments, the next two will not lose me any money, and even the Seiko will creep up as it is a discontinued classic. Instead of sitting looking at my money in the bank or in stocks and shares I would rather enjoy indulging myself a bit.
I have 16 guitars (far more than my meagre talent could ever justify) - but have owned many more and moved them on. I only buy guitars that I a) think are very good value b) I want to play c) I like the look of. Most of my guitars are low to mid priced - worth between £400 and £800. I don't think I've ever sold a guitar for less than I paid for it. I do find it quite hard to part with them though - I had intended to reduce the quantity and increase the quality - but I like the ones I have and they seem to be increasing in value faster than my investments - so I'll probably hold on to them for now - even though there's several that never get played. I always tend to gravitate to my Gibson SGs and my favourite, an Ibanez S series.Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:26 pmMainly it is just a fascination with the watches themselves. Experiencing the different qualities and designs and enjoying wearing them. I have probably owned over 100 watches in my life, most of which I have worn for a while and then moved on for something new, rarely losing any money, often making a wee profit and on one occasion making a very substantial profit.Openside wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:54 pmI am somewhat fascinated by the desire to collect. What do you expect to do with your collection? will you leave it to your kids /a museum or sell it to help fund retirement?Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:17 pm
I've recently bought a 1990 GMT Master 16700 with a bezel insert slightly more faded than the one in the picture. Completely original with all box, papers and two Rolex service receipts. I have just had it serviced again by Rolex and had the bezel insert replaced so I can preserve the faded bezel. I love it but it would break my heart to damage it. The watch is probably (but maybe not) the final piece that I have been able to build up over 30 years of collecting and trading and i'm very proud of it.
Currently I have 6 watches, two Rolex, an Omega, a Cartier, a Girard Perregaux and a Seiko SKX. The first 3 will be very decent long term investments, the next two will not lose me any money, and even the Seiko will creep up as it is a discontinued classic. Instead of sitting looking at my money in the bank or in stocks and shares I would rather enjoy indulging myself a bit.
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As I said, I don't get it. Someone said to me that it's no different to having too many cars but there are differencesOpenside wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:54 pmI am somewhat fascinated by the desire to collect. What do you expect to do with your collection? will you leave it to your kids /a museum or sell it to help fund retirement?Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:17 pm
I've recently bought a 1990 GMT Master 16700 with a bezel insert slightly more faded than the one in the picture. Completely original with all box, papers and two Rolex service receipts. I have just had it serviced again by Rolex and had the bezel insert replaced so I can preserve the faded bezel. I love it but it would break my heart to damage it. The watch is probably (but maybe not) the final piece that I have been able to build up over 30 years of collecting and trading and i'm very proud of it.
- aside from the fact cars generally lose value and cost money to maintain!
- the utility value from watches is tiny. I can drive a car for hours. Just how often does one look at a watch?! A watch just tells the time (my phone can do that for free) whereas there is infinitely more to driving a car.
- there is something uncomfortably all male (penis syndrome) for me about watches: based solely on the fact that I know zero women who collect them. And yes, I know plenty of petrol head women.
- and that's the odd bit: because it's pretty hard to show off a watch without looking a total nob!
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Oddly the wife has suggested buying them in the past as store of value but I don't invest in things I have too little expertise in. I suggested she buy women's watches then but she was correct to point out the demand for men's watches was far more reliable! So maybe you have explained it: it's an indulgence that costs nothing as long as you are prepared to sell.Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:26 pm
Mainly it is just a fascination with the watches themselves. Experiencing the different qualities and designs and enjoying wearing them. I have probably owned over 100 watches in my life, most of which I have worn for a while and then moved on for something new, rarely losing any money, often making a wee profit and on one occasion making a very substantial profit.
Currently I have 6 watches, two Rolex, an Omega, a Cartier, a Girard Perregaux and a Seiko SKX. The first 3 will be very decent long term investments, the next two will not lose me any money, and even the Seiko will creep up as it is a discontinued classic. Instead of sitting looking at my money in the bank or in stocks and shares I would rather enjoy indulging myself a bit.
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For me I'd love to own the Rolex Date Just, the type that Christian Bale wore in America psycho, but the service costs would kill me.Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:26 pmMainly it is just a fascination with the watches themselves. Experiencing the different qualities and designs and enjoying wearing them. I have probably owned over 100 watches in my life, most of which I have worn for a while and then moved on for something new, rarely losing any money, often making a wee profit and on one occasion making a very substantial profit.Openside wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:54 pmI am somewhat fascinated by the desire to collect. What do you expect to do with your collection? will you leave it to your kids /a museum or sell it to help fund retirement?Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:17 pm
I've recently bought a 1990 GMT Master 16700 with a bezel insert slightly more faded than the one in the picture. Completely original with all box, papers and two Rolex service receipts. I have just had it serviced again by Rolex and had the bezel insert replaced so I can preserve the faded bezel. I love it but it would break my heart to damage it. The watch is probably (but maybe not) the final piece that I have been able to build up over 30 years of collecting and trading and i'm very proud of it.
Currently I have 6 watches, two Rolex, an Omega, a Cartier, a Girard Perregaux and a Seiko SKX. The first 3 will be very decent long term investments, the next two will not lose me any money, and even the Seiko will creep up as it is a discontinued classic. Instead of sitting looking at my money in the bank or in stocks and shares I would rather enjoy indulging myself a bit.
I also want the The Seiko 7A28-7000 that Ripley wore in Alien.
A Seiko Flightmaster and a Seiko Alpinist.
Some of the newer micro brands are extremely interesting too.
Boldr
Mitch Mason.
Dan Henry
Whilst I immediately notice what watch someone else is wearing I know full well that 99% of the population will never notice what watch I am wearing and I really couldn't care, I wear the watches for my own pleasure not in an attempt to impress. If I wanted to impress I would spunk my money on expensive cars.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:31 amOddly the wife has suggested buying them in the past as store of value but I don't invest in things I have too little expertise in. I suggested she buy women's watches then but she was correct to point out the demand for men's watches was far more reliable! So maybe you have explained it: it's an indulgence that costs nothing as long as you are prepared to sell.Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:26 pm
Mainly it is just a fascination with the watches themselves. Experiencing the different qualities and designs and enjoying wearing them. I have probably owned over 100 watches in my life, most of which I have worn for a while and then moved on for something new, rarely losing any money, often making a wee profit and on one occasion making a very substantial profit.
Currently I have 6 watches, two Rolex, an Omega, a Cartier, a Girard Perregaux and a Seiko SKX. The first 3 will be very decent long term investments, the next two will not lose me any money, and even the Seiko will creep up as it is a discontinued classic. Instead of sitting looking at my money in the bank or in stocks and shares I would rather enjoy indulging myself a bit.
And yes you are right, I know that eventually either myself or my kids will sell them. These are big financial commitments for me so I am very selective in what I buy with a view to them all being good investments as well as beautiful things.
Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:56 amFor me I'd love to own the Rolex Date Just, the type that Christian Bale wore in America psycho, but the service costs would kill me.Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:26 pmMainly it is just a fascination with the watches themselves. Experiencing the different qualities and designs and enjoying wearing them. I have probably owned over 100 watches in my life, most of which I have worn for a while and then moved on for something new, rarely losing any money, often making a wee profit and on one occasion making a very substantial profit.
Currently I have 6 watches, two Rolex, an Omega, a Cartier, a Girard Perregaux and a Seiko SKX. The first 3 will be very decent long term investments, the next two will not lose me any money, and even the Seiko will creep up as it is a discontinued classic. Instead of sitting looking at my money in the bank or in stocks and shares I would rather enjoy indulging myself a bit.
I also want the The Seiko 7A28-7000 that Ripley wore in Alien.
A Seiko Flightmaster and a Seiko Alpinist.
Some of the newer micro brands are extremely interesting too.
Boldr
Mitch Mason.
Dan Henry
Yes, there are some stunning micro brands out there that make great watches for very little money.
Like you I love my vintage seikos. Always on the lookout for a Pogue or a 7A38-7020 but they are going for silly money at the moment.
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I was very, very close to spending some tax rebate money on on a few years back, but seeing as I've scratched the face of my 1960s dress omega and broken the bezel on my 21st birthday sector watch I've accepted that I can't be trusted with nice things.
If I was going to spend a few thousand on a watch Bremont would be part of thinking, but that would be more to do with buying British than any objective measure of relative quality.
While it's not exactly collecting, I know many teen girls and for many of them having a cool watch is an essential part of their image. It is also important to have at least a few different ones to match the watch with whatever outfit they are wearing. Wish I could post a picture of them showing off their watches.
Yes, they are excellent watches. They don't yet have ( and I doubt they ever will) the desirability of the top Swiss brands which means that you need to accept a pretty solid depreciation hit if you buy one.