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Yep 2pm uk time

Annoyingly I have a golf tee off time at 11am. Might see if the boys will drop it to 9 holes
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Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:15 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:13 pm So will England v NZ. There's plenty of classy batsmen in the Kiwi side who will lick their lips at facing what remains of the English bowling attack. I've not seen enough of NZ in this tournament to know how they've been getting on with the ball themselves, but losing Roy is a big blow.
Assuming Pak haven't been to the bookies and lose to Sco........
See. :think:
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Sco blocking their way to 100?
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JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:13 pm So will England v NZ. There's plenty of classy batsmen in the Kiwi side who will lick their lips at facing what remains of the English bowling attack. I've not seen enough of NZ in this tournament to know how they've been getting on with the ball themselves, but losing Roy is a big blow.
You've only lost Mills from the bowling line up haven't you? And although Roy has been in good form - you've got plenty of back up for opening.

Think Buttler will be looking forward to the NZ bowling line up - which has been very hittable over the last few games. The Scottish innings was particularly concerning.
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Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:42 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:13 pm So will England v NZ. There's plenty of classy batsmen in the Kiwi side who will lick their lips at facing what remains of the English bowling attack. I've not seen enough of NZ in this tournament to know how they've been getting on with the ball themselves, but losing Roy is a big blow.
You've only lost Mills from the bowling line up haven't you? And although Roy has been in good form - you've got plenty of back up for opening.

Think Buttler will be looking forward to the NZ bowling line up - which has been very hittable over the last few games. The Scottish innings was particularly concerning.
Only Mills in the tournament proper, but we lost Sam Curran just before, Wood's been injured during the tournament and is apparently struggling again, and we obviously don't have Archer or Stokes either.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:41 pm Air India can start routing 747s to Abu Dhabi I’d say, they’ll be needed soon
Yep. Fans have to get home to go to work tomorrow

Re injuries, our main one has been Lockie Ferguson. Adam Milne just doesn't compare.
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JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:50 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:42 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:13 pm So will England v NZ. There's plenty of classy batsmen in the Kiwi side who will lick their lips at facing what remains of the English bowling attack. I've not seen enough of NZ in this tournament to know how they've been getting on with the ball themselves, but losing Roy is a big blow.
You've only lost Mills from the bowling line up haven't you? And although Roy has been in good form - you've got plenty of back up for opening.

Think Buttler will be looking forward to the NZ bowling line up - which has been very hittable over the last few games. The Scottish innings was particularly concerning.
Only Mills in the tournament proper, but we lost Sam Curran just before, Wood's been injured during the tournament and is apparently struggling again, and we obviously don't have Archer or Stokes either.
Perhaps - but your performances have been without Archer and Stokes - so that doesn't really factor. Woods would be a bit of a loss if he has broken down. But all your bowlers have been bowling well and taking wickets.

Unfortunately NZ has Santner and Milne who have been so hittable and not taking wickets. If Boult, Sodhi or Southee fail to turn up we're in trouble.
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Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:41 pm
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Thor Sedan wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:42 pm

You've only lost Mills from the bowling line up haven't you? And although Roy has been in good form - you've got plenty of back up for opening.

Think Buttler will be looking forward to the NZ bowling line up - which has been very hittable over the last few games. The Scottish innings was particularly concerning.
Only Mills in the tournament proper, but we lost Sam Curran just before, Wood's been injured during the tournament and is apparently struggling again, and we obviously don't have Archer or Stokes either.
Perhaps - but your performances have been without Archer and Stokes - so that doesn't really factor. Woods would be a bit of a loss if he has broken down. But all your bowlers have been bowling well and taking wickets.

Unfortunately NZ has Santner and Milne who have been so hittable and not taking wickets. If Boult, Sodhi or Southee fail to turn up we're in trouble.
Why worry about England? South Africa beat them, Black Caps should walk them.
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Will anyone be watching today's game? Wonder if India will change the team or game plan?
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Cricinfo has India bowling coach stating that India lost out because their captain is a tosser.


Edit: Oh no, wait, sorry, India lost out because their captain lost the toss.

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Roy confirmed out of the tournament with a torn calf.
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Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:05 pm Cricinfo has India bowling coach stating that India lost out because their captain is a tosser.


Edit: Oh no, wait, sorry, India lost out because their captain lost the toss.

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Expect new rules to come into play to ensure that doesn’t happen again.
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JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:22 pm Roy confirmed out of the tournament with a torn calf.
I’m not surprised. He looked like he was five minutes away from an amputation when that first went.
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JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:22 pm Roy confirmed out of the tournament with a torn calf.
I assume Eng allowed a replacement? Has he been announced?
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What’s the general view on Mark Wood. When fit is a decent bowler when he’s on form. He just seems to be forever broken. In for one game, out for the series. Plays two in a row and that’s almost a season ender for him.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:47 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:22 pm Roy confirmed out of the tournament with a torn calf.
I assume Eng allowed a replacement? Has he been announced?
Vince. Who will actually come into the side is unknown at this stage. Maybe Malan to open and Billings into the middle order, but maybe we'll beef up the bowling a bit more instead.
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JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:17 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:47 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:22 pm Roy confirmed out of the tournament with a torn calf.
I assume Eng allowed a replacement? Has he been announced?
Vince. Who will actually come into the side is unknown at this stage. Maybe Malan to open and Billings into the middle order, but maybe we'll beef up the bowling a bit more instead.
Thx
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Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:47 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:15 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:13 pm So will England v NZ. There's plenty of classy batsmen in the Kiwi side who will lick their lips at facing what remains of the English bowling attack. I've not seen enough of NZ in this tournament to know how they've been getting on with the ball themselves, but losing Roy is a big blow.
Assuming Pak haven't been to the bookies and lose to Sco........
See. :think:
How did this go btw? :)
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^^^ Pakistan won comfortably.

Current Indian innings a blitz thus far. 70-0 off just 8 overs.
They look so much classier than NZ. They just seem to have developed a complex re. the Black Caps, pretty much as we have against the Australians in cricket.
Should NZ make the final you'd expect they'd prefer Pakistan to Australia.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:21 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:17 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:47 pm

I assume Eng allowed a replacement? Has he been announced?
Vince. Who will actually come into the side is unknown at this stage. Maybe Malan to open and Billings into the middle order, but maybe we'll beef up the bowling a bit more instead.
Thx
While checking James Vince's profile in Cricinfo I noticed he was born in a place called Cuckfield in Sussex. Cuckfield. lol
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JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:44 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:47 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:15 pm

Assuming Pak haven't been to the bookies and lose to Sco........
See. :think:
How did this go btw? :)
Exactly how I'd have wanted!
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NZ is in familiar territory with all the teams who’ve beaten them in the semi/finals.
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So now that India's gone, who will their legion of fans support? Which SF team has the most appealing bandwagon for them to jump on? Safe to assume we can rule out Pakistan...
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Gumboot wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:26 am So now that India's gone, who will their legion of fans support? Which SF team has the most appealing bandwagon for them to jump on? Safe to assume we can rule out Pakistan...
The English, I guess.
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I'm on the Black Craps train. Choo choo. They seem a bunch of humble blokes. If not them then Pakistan, England and then Aus in that order.
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FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:39 pm I'm on the Black Craps train. Choo choo. They seem a bunch of humble blokes. If not them then Pakistan, England and then Aus in that order.
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Gumboot wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:26 am So now that India's gone, who will their legion of fans support? Which SF team has the most appealing bandwagon for them to jump on? Safe to assume we can rule out Pakistan...
They will have gone home.
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Gumboot wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:26 am So now that India's gone, who will their legion of fans support? Which SF team has the most appealing bandwagon for them to jump on? Safe to assume we can rule out Pakistan...
Most evidence suggests they stop watching, hence why tournament formats have been changed to give them more guaranteed games.
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Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:38 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:39 pm I'm on the Black Craps train. Choo choo. They seem a bunch of humble blokes. If not them then Pakistan, England and then Aus in that order.
Everyone loves an underdog!
I'm fearful for you blokes. England has an absolute machine of a team. I am however loyal to most SH teams bar the Aus cricket team. I have too much mental scarring from Hayden, McGrath and particularly Shane Warne.
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FalseBayFC wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:03 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:38 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:39 pm I'm on the Black Craps train. Choo choo. They seem a bunch of humble blokes. If not them then Pakistan, England and then Aus in that order.
Everyone loves an underdog!
I'm fearful for you blokes. England has an absolute machine of a team. I am however loyal to most SH teams bar the Aus cricket team. I have too much mental scarring from Hayden, McGrath and particularly Shane Warne.
Oh I genuinely think England will win comfortably - they are a better side than NZ. Better bowlers, MUCH better spinners and an in form, superior batting line up. The only place NZ match up with them is the fielding.

I know some English fans are doing the whole 'well English cricket is English cricket and we're ripe for a collapse'.....but I think they are secretly pretty confident - and rightly so.
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Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:11 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:03 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:38 am

Everyone loves an underdog!
I'm fearful for you blokes. England has an absolute machine of a team. I am however loyal to most SH teams bar the Aus cricket team. I have too much mental scarring from Hayden, McGrath and particularly Shane Warne.
Oh I genuinely think England will win comfortably - they are a better side than NZ. Better bowlers, MUCH better spinners and an in form, superior batting line up. The only place NZ match up with them is the fielding.

I know some English fans are doing the whole 'well English cricket is English cricket and we're ripe for a collapse'.....but I think they are secretly pretty confident - and rightly so.
The "machine" has broken a few parts. Does anyone seriously think we'd have won the ODI world cup without Roy, Stokes, and Archer? We're still a good side but we're clearly not unbeatable, as the Saffers showed, and losing Roy on top of Mills is a huge blow.
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JM2K6 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:46 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:11 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:03 am
I'm fearful for you blokes. England has an absolute machine of a team. I am however loyal to most SH teams bar the Aus cricket team. I have too much mental scarring from Hayden, McGrath and particularly Shane Warne.
Oh I genuinely think England will win comfortably - they are a better side than NZ. Better bowlers, MUCH better spinners and an in form, superior batting line up. The only place NZ match up with them is the fielding.

I know some English fans are doing the whole 'well English cricket is English cricket and we're ripe for a collapse'.....but I think they are secretly pretty confident - and rightly so.
The "machine" has broken a few parts. Does anyone seriously think we'd have won the ODI world cup without Roy, Stokes, and Archer? We're still a good side but we're clearly not unbeatable, as the Saffers showed, and losing Roy on top of Mills is a huge blow.
I'm undecided as to who is victorious in this pre-match, our mockers are greater than your mockers contest.
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90 minutes to the start and the fear of an MCG 2015-style debacle looms large in my mind. But the dream of seeing the BCs in another ICC final is strong.
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JM2K6 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:46 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:11 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:03 am
I'm fearful for you blokes. England has an absolute machine of a team. I am however loyal to most SH teams bar the Aus cricket team. I have too much mental scarring from Hayden, McGrath and particularly Shane Warne.
Oh I genuinely think England will win comfortably - they are a better side than NZ. Better bowlers, MUCH better spinners and an in form, superior batting line up. The only place NZ match up with them is the fielding.

I know some English fans are doing the whole 'well English cricket is English cricket and we're ripe for a collapse'.....but I think they are secretly pretty confident - and rightly so.
The "machine" has broken a few parts. Does anyone seriously think we'd have won the ODI world cup without Roy, Stokes, and Archer? We're still a good side but we're clearly not unbeatable, as the Saffers showed, and losing Roy on top of Mills is a huge blow.
Yep - they are huge losses - but your recent performances have been without them. And your recent performances have been impressive. The SA result was perhaps a lowering of intensity due to a 'job done so far' attitude.

I don't expect them to be as sloppy as they were against SA.

Basically - if England play at 100% and NZ play at 100% - England will win.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:21 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:46 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:11 am

Oh I genuinely think England will win comfortably - they are a better side than NZ. Better bowlers, MUCH better spinners and an in form, superior batting line up. The only place NZ match up with them is the fielding.

I know some English fans are doing the whole 'well English cricket is English cricket and we're ripe for a collapse'.....but I think they are secretly pretty confident - and rightly so.
The "machine" has broken a few parts. Does anyone seriously think we'd have won the ODI world cup without Roy, Stokes, and Archer? We're still a good side but we're clearly not unbeatable, as the Saffers showed, and losing Roy on top of Mills is a huge blow.
I'm undecided as to who is victorious in this pre-match, our mockers are greater than your mockers contest.
No mockers - as a NZ supporter I hope we win. But England are currently an all-round better side than NZ - certainly in performances in this tournament. Just because I say NZ most likely won't win - doesn't mean I am trying to appeal to the apparent mockers gods.
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I think this will be a good game and really hard to call a winner. England stuffed if we lose early wickets but back our fielding to be the difference in a tight one
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Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:57 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:46 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:11 am

Oh I genuinely think England will win comfortably - they are a better side than NZ. Better bowlers, MUCH better spinners and an in form, superior batting line up. The only place NZ match up with them is the fielding.

I know some English fans are doing the whole 'well English cricket is English cricket and we're ripe for a collapse'.....but I think they are secretly pretty confident - and rightly so.
The "machine" has broken a few parts. Does anyone seriously think we'd have won the ODI world cup without Roy, Stokes, and Archer? We're still a good side but we're clearly not unbeatable, as the Saffers showed, and losing Roy on top of Mills is a huge blow.
Yep - they are huge losses - but your recent performances have been without them. And your recent performances have been impressive. The SA result was perhaps a lowering of intensity due to a 'job done so far' attitude.

I don't expect them to be as sloppy as they were against SA.

Basically - if England play at 100% and NZ play at 100% - England will win.
The match we played without mills and with Roy getting injured, we lost.
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