Calcutta Cup match thread

[Kawazaki]

As they are not explicit, we shall assume your congratulations are implied.

You need to apologise fella. Be the bigger man, recognise you let yourself down. In here you don't need to actually get your wallet out and buy a drink.

What for? You were being a deliberately obnoxious troll and got called out. Don’t like it, don’t do it. Same as you got in the last place.

Now, about those congratulations?

Given you are clearly needy. Congratulations.

A good try by the former England U20 captain.

[Fonz]

Very strange behaviour in stoppage time with the scrums. Bit chickenshit IMO.

Honestly I was rooting for Scotland but I totally agree. Seeing a lot of comments elsewhere complementing the referee for "not letting the game be decided by a penalty"...well, those are the fucking rules.

[Punter15]

You need to apologise fella. Be the bigger man, recognise you let yourself down. In here you don't need to actually get your wallet out and buy a drink.

What for? You were being a deliberately obnoxious troll and got called out. Don’t like it, don’t do it. Same as you got in the last place.

Now, about those congratulations?

Given you are clearly needy. Congratulations.

A good try by the former England U20 captain.

Thank you. Your graciousness is a shining example to us all. Chapeau x

[Kawazaki]

Very strange behaviour in stoppage time with the scrums. Bit chickenshit IMO.

Honestly I was rooting for Scotland but I totally agree. Seeing a lot of comments elsewhere complementing the referee for "not letting the game be decided by a penalty"...well, those are the fucking rules.

It's the Michael Masi school of officialdom. Just make shit up in the final seconds.

[PCPhil]

Ahh, it would have got us a draw and no more and to be honest it wasn’t glaring. Time to have a beer/dram/glue whatever your tipple.

[Tichtheid]

The shots from above showed Schoeman dominating his man and driving forward. I will watch it again, but I don't think Nel went back, the scrum wheeled.

It's a lot easier for the loosehead to be dominant, it's just the way a scrum works. The scrum wheeled and the fact that many times those scrums are decided to be a penalty for the side who feeds actually shows that most times refs want to get the scrum over and done with as a way to restart play.

Certainly today the ref wasn't interested in establishing a scrum pattern,

Props and coaches have brought this situation about by trying to milk penalties, I don't blame the refs

[Ovals]

LCD shit the bed there but he's a beefy close-quarters powerhouse hooker who found himself trying to defend a cross-field kick almost on his try-line in acres of space against an opposition winger - I'm not really surprised he panicked. He has some of the blame there but why were we in that situation? Well, as soon as Smith came off we suddenly defending really narrow and that gave Scotland the opportunity to attack wide one side, then put that kick through. I don't think it's fair to say it's all LCD's fault. The damage was already done, he just made it worse with a moment of panic - but the team had already suddenly panicked.

Yep - good point about no one else being in place to deal with it. But a seasoned international shouldn't panic to the extent that he did. All in all we just wasted so much possession prior to that - we should of had a bit more of a cushion by then. Ah well - there were some good things to come out of the game - and some glaring deficiencies that need to be addressed. I don't think Marcus had one of his better games - I think he needs a bigger inside centre to work with.

Can’t see Smith did much wrong. Although he did have the laser sharp scrummie passes to work off. But why the f take him off then. Just confusing the hell out of me. Please someone explain it to me.

He didn't do much wrong - bar missing that cross field kick to our unmarked winger. Either way it seemed very strange to take him off when we were just 3 points ahead and still 20 mins to go.

[Punter15]

Very strange behaviour in stoppage time with the scrums. Bit chickenshit IMO.

Honestly I was rooting for Scotland but I totally agree. Seeing a lot of comments elsewhere complementing the referee for "not letting the game be decided by a penalty"...well, those are the fucking rules.

Laws. But yes.

Glad we won, but England should have got the job done long before that became an issue. Eddie’s selections in the backs didn’t work and iffy substitutions got us off the hook.

[OomStruisbaai]

Yes he did, a great big whopper knock-on in his own 22 but the ref said it went sideways. Bizarre.

As they are not explicit, we shall assume your congratulations are implied.

You need to apologise fella. Be the bigger man, recognise you let yourself down. In here you don't need to actually get your wallet out and buy a drink.

Kawakaki are you cuntish again.

[Yr Alban]

The shots from above showed Schoeman dominating his man and driving forward. I will watch it again, but I don't think Nel went back, the scrum wheeled.

It's a lot easier for the loosehead to be dominant, it's just the way a scrum works. The scrum wheeled and the fact that many times those scrums are decided to be a penalty for the side who feeds actually shows that most times refs want to get the scrum over and done with as a way to restart play.

Certainly today the ref wasn't interested in establishing a scrum pattern,

Props and coaches have brought this situation about by trying to milk penalties, I don't blame the refs

Again, I haven’t watched it as yet, but I can entirely understand a ref not wanting a tight game to be decided by a scrum penalty when it’s often so hard to be sure who actually infringed. I have thought for a while that scrum penalties should mostly be replaced by free kicks - the team with a dominant scrum already has an advantage, they don’t need to be able to win regular penalties with it as well.

[Blackmac]

The shots from above showed Schoeman dominating his man and driving forward. I will watch it again, but I don't think Nel went back, the scrum wheeled.

It's a lot easier for the loosehead to be dominant, it's just the way a scrum works. The scrum wheeled and the fact that many times those scrums are decided to be a penalty for the side who feeds actually shows that most times refs want to get the scrum over and done with as a way to restart play.

Certainly today the ref wasn't interested in establishing a scrum pattern,

Props and coaches have brought this situation about by trying to milk penalties, I don't blame the refs

Exactly what I said. The Scot's tight 5 stay pretty well bound, Shoeman gets the drive on and are clearly on top. English LH drops off Nels shoulder and walks forward.

[Blackmac]

The shots from above showed Schoeman dominating his man and driving forward. I will watch it again, but I don't think Nel went back, the scrum wheeled.

It's a lot easier for the loosehead to be dominant, it's just the way a scrum works. The scrum wheeled and the fact that many times those scrums are decided to be a penalty for the side who feeds actually shows that most times refs want to get the scrum over and done with as a way to restart play.

Certainly today the ref wasn't interested in establishing a scrum pattern,

Props and coaches have brought this situation about by trying to milk penalties, I don't blame the refs

Again, I haven’t watched it as yet, but I can entirely understand a ref not wanting a tight game to be decided by a scrum penalty when it’s often so hard to be sure who actually infringed. I have thought for a while that scrum penalties should mostly be replaced by free kicks - the team with a dominant scrum already has an advantage, they don’t need to be able to win regular penalties with it as well.

Needs to return to a competition for the ball not the penalty, unless there is blatant infringements. Just being physically inferior to you opponent should not be a penalty.

[Enzedder]

Ben Youngs will drive me to an early grave

Nah. Be slow and late.

Just saw this gem from earlier.. Loved it

[Ata Rangi]

Very strange behaviour in stoppage time with the scrums. Bit chickenshit IMO.

Honestly I was rooting for Scotland but I totally agree. Seeing a lot of comments elsewhere complementing the referee for "not letting the game be decided by a penalty"...well, those are the fucking rules.

That’s the issue with having a nicer house than Andre Watson, more reluctant to make those big calls.

LEWIS MOODY: I’m too busy getting my head stuck into a ruck for one-liners, but there was a classic in the 2003 World Cup final. Referee Andre Watson came into the dressing room before the game and said: “I won’t be giving any penalties at scrum time. You can bet my mortgage on it!” So in extra-time, after he’d awarded two in quick succession against us, Steve Thompson was on the floor and he looked up at him and said: “Andre, you must have a terrible house

[Punter15]

Very strange behaviour in stoppage time with the scrums. Bit chickenshit IMO.

Honestly I was rooting for Scotland but I totally agree. Seeing a lot of comments elsewhere complementing the referee for "not letting the game be decided by a penalty"...well, those are the fucking rules.

That’s the issue with having a nicer house than Andre Watson, more reluctant to make those big calls.

That’s very good

[Crash669]

What I don't get is Gleeson is an ex rugby league player where they basically have their second rows run beside centres. That style of attack is custom made for Simmonds. Yet they don't play to.his strengths.

Worth pointing out Martin Gleeson isn't a very good coach, and was a cock in rugby league a bit of a cunt of a man in general. I think he's in Eddie's cabinet because he won't answer back and probably does a mean powerpoint presentation. Shaun Edwards he is not.

[Brazil]

Congratulations Jocks, will raise a glass of single malt later for you.

[Kawazaki]

What I don't get is Gleeson is an ex rugby league player where they basically have their second rows run beside centres. That style of attack is custom made for Simmonds. Yet they don't play to.his strengths.

Worth pointing out Martin Gleeson isn't a very good coach, and was a cock in rugby league a bit of a cunt of a man in general. I think he's in Eddie's cabinet because he won't answer back and probably does a mean powerpoint presentation. Shaun Edwards he is not.

Eddiot's defence coach is an Aussie called Anthony Seibold isn't it? His first job in any form of RU is the one he has now, coaching England rugby players from elite Premiership clubs and academies how to defend. He wasn't even considered a very good RL coach and got sacked from his job in the NRL before Eddiot saw his potential as a man who could say yes and ask no questions, presumably because he wouldn't have a clue what was going on anyway.

[Big D]

What I don't get is Gleeson is an ex rugby league player where they basically have their second rows run beside centres. That style of attack is custom made for Simmonds. Yet they don't play to.his strengths.

Worth pointing out Martin Gleeson isn't a very good coach, and was a cock in rugby league a bit of a cunt of a man in general. I think he's in Eddie's cabinet because he won't answer back and probably does a mean powerpoint presentation. Shaun Edwards he is not.

Good and fair points.

[sockwithaticket]

What I don't get is Gleeson is an ex rugby league player where they basically have their second rows run beside centres. That style of attack is custom made for Simmonds. Yet they don't play to.his strengths.

Worth pointing out Martin Gleeson isn't a very good coach, and was a cock in rugby league a bit of a cunt of a man in general. I think he's in Eddie's cabinet because he won't answer back and probably does a mean powerpoint presentation. Shaun Edwards he is not.

His work with Wasps doesn't exactly recommend him. We had half a season of looking amazing when all of our best players were available and games were being played twice a week to see out the first covid season. The prior half of the season and the one that followed were pretty mediocre for the club. Obviously that's not all on him, but I can't see it being much of a recommendation for the national side either.

Although getting into the England set up at the moment seems to require one of the following:
- being junior enough not to know enough to challenge Eddie
- being old enough and insufficiently successful/problematic enough that you're running out of options
- being available at the time Eddie next fires/scares off all his back room staff

[Biffer]

First time on since being at the game and in the pub.

May I just say, great game, proper intense rugby that the SH guys don't understand, the kind of game that makes the six nations the best tournament in the world.

And get it right round yeez, ya English bastards

[Biffer]

The g, and also, Eddie Jones's will be rst record against any T1 team with England is against scotland.

[Dogbert]

The g, and also, Eddie Jones's will be rst record against any T1 team with England is against scotland.

That is assuming that Scotland is a T1 team of course

[Tichtheid]

The g, and also, Eddie Jones's will be rst record against any T1 team with England is against scotland.

That is assuming that Scotland is a T1 team of course

We'll be ranked 6th come Monday, two places below England

https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc/

[Ymx]

First time on since being at the game and in the pub.

May I just say, great game, proper intense rugby that the SH guys don't understand, the kind of game that makes the six nations the best tournament in the world.

And get it right round yeez, ya English bastards

Nonsense, you’ll love it just as much when you’re sneak out a win against SA in the 7N.

[Grandpa]

May I just say, great game, proper intense rugby that the SH guys don't understand...

Unlike the All Black Springbok games last year?

[I like neeps]

You need to apologise fella. Be the bigger man, recognise you let yourself down. In here you don't need to actually get your wallet out and buy a drink.

What for? You were being a deliberately obnoxious troll and got called out. Don’t like it, don’t do it. Same as you got in the last place.

Now, about those congratulations?

Given you are clearly needy. Congratulations.

A good try by the former England U20 captain.

Great celebration too.

It must've been hard for him playing for England. Welcome home Ben, enjoy the Calcutta Cup.

[Hal Jordan]

The g, and also, Eddie Jones's will be rst record against any T1 team with England is against scotland.

You have been in the pub.

[Kawazaki]

What for? You were being a deliberately obnoxious troll and got called out. Don’t like it, don’t do it. Same as you got in the last place.

Now, about those congratulations?

Given you are clearly needy. Congratulations.

A good try by the former England U20 captain.

Great celebration too.

It must've been hard for him playing for England. Welcome home Ben, enjoy the Calcutta Cup.

He's from Stoke. I'm actually more Scottish-qualified than Ben White.

[Tichtheid]

Given you are clearly needy. Congratulations.

A good try by the former England U20 captain.

Great celebration too.

It must've been hard for him playing for England. Welcome home Ben, enjoy the Calcutta Cup.

He's from Stoke. I'm actually more Scottish-qualified than Ben White.

It was a cracking finish to a try made from a fantastic bit of footwork, pace and rugby nous.

btw, Darcy Graham was one of three starters today from Hawick, a town with a population of nearly 14K.
They've had many many capped players for Scotland and a good few Lions too, not bad for a wee town in the Borders.

The club with the most Scottish caps is London Scottish, it's just the way a diaspora works.

[Punter15]

Given you are clearly needy. Congratulations.

A good try by the former England U20 captain.

Great celebration too.

It must've been hard for him playing for England. Welcome home Ben, enjoy the Calcutta Cup.

He's from Stoke. I'm actually more Scottish-qualified than Ben White.

Is the fact that we don’t want you why you’re so bitter? Come on board if you want, we’ll take anyone these days.

[Hugo]

The g, and also, Eddie Jones's will be rst record against any T1 team with England is against scotland.

You have been in the pub.

Well done Scotland. Two bloody brilliant kicks for that penalty try.

[fishfoodie]

The g, and also, Eddie Jones's will be rst record against any T1 team with England is against scotland.

You have been in the pub.

Nonsense !

Google have clearly sent an update which has shrunk the keyboard on his phone; or maybe it's fluid retention, that has made his fingertips twice their normal size !

[Biffer]

The g, and also, Eddie Jones's will be rst record against any T1 team with England is against scotland.

You have been in the pub.

Nonsense !

Google have clearly sent an update which has shrunk the keyboard on his phone; or maybe it's fluid retention, that has made his fingertips twice their normal size !

Thank you for your support brother.

[Biffer]

Finn Russell hasn’t lost to England since 2016. Played five won 4 drawn 1.

[Yr Alban]

Finn Russell hasn’t lost to England since 2016. Played five won 4 drawn 1.

Assuming you mean 2017 (when we got slaughtered at Twickenham).

[Jock42]

Congratulations Jocks, will raise a glass of single malt later for you.

Cheers mate. That was a proper nail biter.

[Slick]

Given you are clearly needy. Congratulations.

A good try by the former England U20 captain.

Great celebration too.

It must've been hard for him playing for England. Welcome home Ben, enjoy the Calcutta Cup.

He's from Stoke. I'm actually more Scottish-qualified than Ben White.

Achh, if you’d thought about that earlier you could have been a winner today. But your not

[Zig]

Scotland for slam.

If they're going to do it in the 6N era this is their best chance.

[assfly]

Great game, great result. After last night's match, I've decided I have to get up to Murrayfield for a match. When Scotland are on form, looks like the ultimate stadium to watch a game.