England in Australia

[OomStruisbaai]

Australia in Perth on 2 July, Brisbane on 9 July and Sydney on 16 July, with all matches to kick off at 10.55am

Australia Squad for England Series 2022
Forwards

Allan Alaalatoa (Brumbies, 53 Tests)

Angus Bell (Waratahs, 16 Tests)

Pone Fa’amausili (Melbourne Rebels, uncapped)

Folau Fainga’a (Brumbies, 25 Tests)

Nick Frost (Brumbies, uncapped)

Michael Hooper (Waratahs, 118 Tests)

Jed Holloway (Waratahs, uncapped)

Rob Leota (Melbourne Rebels, 6 Tests)

Lachlan Lonergan (Brumbies, 4 Tests)

Cadeyrn Neville (Brumbies, uncapped)

Matt Philip (Melbourne Rebels, 20 Tests)

David Porecki (Waratahs, uncapped)

Pete Samu (Brumbies, 19 Tests)

Scott Sio (Brumbies, 69 Tests)

James Slipper (Brumbies, 114 Tests)

Darcy Swain (Brumbies, 10 Tests)

Taniela Tupou (Queensland Reds, 38 Tests)

Rob Valetini (Brumbies, 18 Tests)

Harry Wilson (Queensland Reds, 10 Tests)

Backs

Tom Banks (Brumbies, 19 Tests)

Quade Cooper (Kintetsu Liners, 75 Tests)

Jake Gordon (Waratahs, 10 Tests)

Len Ikitau (Brumbies, 13 Tests)

Andrew Kellaway (Melbourne Rebels, 13 Tests)

Samu Kerevi (Suntory Sungoliath, 38 Tests)

Marika Koroibete (Saitama Wild Knights, 42 Tests)

Noah Lolesio (Brumbies, 9 Tests)

Tate McDermott (Queensland Reds, 15 Tests)

James O’Connor (Queensland Reds, 61 Tests)

Hunter Paisami (Queensland Reds, 15 Tests)

Izaia Perese (Waratahs, 2 Tests)

Jordan Petaia (Queensland Reds, 16 Tests)

Suliasi Vunivalu (Queensland Reds, uncapped)

Nic White (Brumbies, 47 Tests)

Tom Wright (Brumbies, 10 Tests)

England squad to tour Australia
FORWARDS
Ollie Chessum (Leicester Tigers, 2 caps)

Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 34 caps)

Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 40 caps)

Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 30 caps)

Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 36 caps)

Jamie George (Saracens, 66 caps)

Joe Heyes (Leicester Tigers, 2 caps)

Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs, 12 caps)

Nick Isiekwe (Saracens, 7 caps)

Maro Itoje (Saracens, 56 caps)

Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 93 caps)

Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints, 11 caps)

Bevan Rodd (Sale Sharks, 2 caps)

Patrick Schickerling (Exeter Chiefs, uncapped)

Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 20 caps)

Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 28 caps)

Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 61 caps)

Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 67 caps)

Jack Walker (Harlequins, uncapped)

Jack Willis (Wasps, 3 caps)

BACKS
Henry Arundell (London Irish, uncapped) *apprentice player

Danny Care (Harlequins, 84 caps)

Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby, 11 caps)

Fraser Dingwall (Northampton Saints, uncapped)

Owen Farrell (Saracens, 94 caps)

Tommy Freeman (Northampton Saints, uncapped)

George Furbank (Northampton Saints, 6 caps)

Will Joseph (London Irish, uncapped) *apprentice player

Joe Marchant (Harlequins, 12 caps)

Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby, 69 caps)

Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 39 caps)

Guy Porter (Leicester Tigers, uncapped)

Harry Randall (Bristol Bears, 6 caps)

Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester Tigers, uncapped)

Marcus Smith (Harlequins, 10 caps)

Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers, 10 caps)

[OomStruisbaai]

England squad will be announce on monday.

Looking forward to this series.

[Kawazaki]

You reckon Taniela Tupou wears skinny jeans?

[charltom]

Australia in Perth on 2 July, Brisbane on 9 July and Sydney on 16 July, with all matches to kick off at 10.55am

Thanks.

Is that 10.55am BST or GMT?

[OomStruisbaai]

BST.

Saturday 2 July – Optus Stadium, Perth (5:55pm AWST / 10.55am BST KO)

Saturday 9 July – Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane (7.55pm AEST / 10.55am BST KO)

Saturday 16 July – Sydney Cricket Ground, Sydney (7.55pm AEST, 10.55am BST KO)

[Random1]

No longer the cook cup


https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 5aub8.html

[sockwithaticket]

No longer the cook cup


https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 5aub8.html

Next step get rid of it and all the nonsense cups and trophies for matches between nations. You get a shiny thing for winning a tournament or competition, not for just for playing one game against another nation.

[Kawazaki]

No longer the cook cup


https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 5aub8.html

Next step get rid of it and all the nonsense cups and trophies for matches between nations. You get a shiny thing for winning a tournament or competition, not for just for playing one game against another nation.

What a dull idea.

[sockwithaticket]

No longer the cook cup


https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-unio ... 5aub8.html

Next step get rid of it and all the nonsense cups and trophies for matches between nations. You get a shiny thing for winning a tournament or competition, not for just for playing one game against another nation.

What a dull idea.

Can you honestly say you give a flying fuck about the Hillary shield or the Millenium trophy? I care about beating the teams with whom we're apparently contesting these cabinet ornaments, but the items themselves are a dumb gimmick.

[Paddington Bear]

Next step get rid of it and all the nonsense cups and trophies for matches between nations. You get a shiny thing for winning a tournament or competition, not for just for playing one game against another nation.

What a dull idea.

Can you honestly say you give a flying fuck about the Hillary shield or the Millenium trophy? I care about beating the teams with whom we're apparently contesting these cabinet ornaments, but the items themselves are a dumb gimmick.

Yep agreed. Beyond the Calcutta Cup and the Bledisloe the whole thing is so confected.

[Kawazaki]

Next step get rid of it and all the nonsense cups and trophies for matches between nations. You get a shiny thing for winning a tournament or competition, not for just for playing one game against another nation.

What a dull idea.

Can you honestly say you give a flying fuck about the Hillary shield or the Millenium trophy? I care about beating the teams with whom we're apparently contesting these cabinet ornaments, but the items themselves are a dumb gimmick.

I don't care or even know the names of the cups but that doesn't mean they're a bad thing. They're for the players really and they seem to enjoy winning something tangible that can be held aloft and have the win engraved with their victory just like the little shield you may still cherish after winning the U18s Cup or whatever. But this was the same when the Calcutta Cup was introduced, you don't need a cup to play for to have a fixture but it's symbolic of that fixture and that fixture alone. After 100 years it collects gravitas and history and then people like you would complain if it was removed.

[sockwithaticket]

What a dull idea.

Can you honestly say you give a flying fuck about the Hillary shield or the Millenium trophy? I care about beating the teams with whom we're apparently contesting these cabinet ornaments, but the items themselves are a dumb gimmick.

I don't care or even know the names of the cups but that doesn't mean they're a bad thing. They're for the players really and they seem to enjoy winning something tangible that can be held aloft and have the win engraved with their victory just like the little shield you may still cherish after winning the U18s Cup or whatever. But this was the same when the Calcutta Cup was introduced, you don't need a cup to play for to have a fixture but it's symbolic of that fixture and that fixture alone. After 100 years it collects gravitas and history and then people like you would complain if it was removed.

I'm not convinced the players do care all that much about most of them. Calcutta Cup or Triple Crown, sure, but none of the more recent tin pot ones. The difference between the older ones, which were obviously new at some point, is that they arose organically in the amateur era not because Dave from marketing thought adding a cup would spice up a fixture.

[Kawazaki]

Great, you're not convinced the players like lifting cups after a match win. I'm happy for you.

[OomStruisbaai]

England look shite against the BaaBaas

[OomStruisbaai]

52-21

[ASMO]

3-0 to Australia.

[OomStruisbaai]

No ways. They don't like the way England play. Eddie need to patch up the defense.

[Kawazaki]

3-0 to Australia.

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

[Hugo]

3-0 to Australia.

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

Ditto. Its nigh on impossible to support an Eddie Jones coached side. This is the first time in my life I've been a bigger fan of the national football team than the rugby side. Jones is toxic.

[MungoMan]

3-0 to Australia.

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

Ditto. Its nigh on impossible to support an Eddie Jones coached side. This is the first time in my life I've been a bigger fan of the national football team than the rugby side. Jones is toxic.

When Eddie was coaching* the Reds I turned up at Reds' home games, and not to cheer for the oppo; I was not alone in this, of course.

In short, it's certainly possible; just difficult.


*Where 'coaching' takes the value 'ratfúcking'.

[Brazil]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/ ... umiliation

We're at the "meaningless management babble" stage of the Eddie Jones cycle. Again.

It's patently obvious that he has no idea what to do with the players at his disposal, and will be going back to hoping that sticking Farrell and Manu in the side solves all his problems.

[SaintK]

3-0 to Australia.

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

My mate's out on an 8 week contract in camp with the Wallabies. Says they are looking very sharp and will be difficult to beat in their ownj backyard this time around.

[Paddington Bear]

3-0 to Australia.

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

My mate's out on an 8 week contract in camp with the Wallabies. Says they are looking very sharp and will be difficult to beat in their ownj backyard this time around.

They played very well against France this time last year.

[OomStruisbaai]

Eddie have it all under control.

[ASMO]

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

My mate's out on an 8 week contract in camp with the Wallabies. Says they are looking very sharp and will be difficult to beat in their ownj backyard this time around.

They played very well against France this time last year.

That was essentially a France B team.

[ASMO]

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[ASMO]

Care back, Billy back (Dombrandt obviously injured), Arundell going, still not understanding the Ewels selection, same with Rodd and Schickerling but the glaring omission for me is Ben Earl, streets ahead of any of the other back row players in the squad.

[Oxbow]

Just fuck off Eddie, thanks.

[laurent]

My mate's out on an 8 week contract in camp with the Wallabies. Says they are looking very sharp and will be difficult to beat in their ownj backyard this time around.

They played very well against France this time last year.

That was essentially a France B team.

Closer to C :p

[Kawazaki]

Care back, Billy back (Dombrandt obviously injured), Arundell going, still not understanding the Ewels selection, same with Rodd and Schickerling but the glaring omission for me is Ben Earl, streets ahead of any of the other back row players in the squad.

Eddie Jones is a dickhead. When you understand that then everything else makes sense.

[Torquemada 1420]

What a dull idea.

Can you honestly say you give a flying fuck about the Hillary shield or the Millenium trophy? I care about beating the teams with whom we're apparently contesting these cabinet ornaments, but the items themselves are a dumb gimmick.

Yep agreed. Beyond the Calcutta Cup and the Bledisloe the whole thing is so confected.

How many fans could name any of the cups outside there 2.?

[Kawazaki]

Premiership top try scorer is...

[SaintK]

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Feel sorry for Dombrandt picking up an injury a week before departure though Billy has been the form 8 the back end of the season
No Youngs at last. Though having to select Care is a bit of an indictment to our player development at 9,
Assuming Arundell and Joseph are selected for experiernce?

[SaintK]

Premiership top try scorer is...

..............not selected!!!!!

[Paddington Bear]

Quite indicative of where we are that after four years of experimentation we may well start with all but the same XV vs Argentina two world cups running at this rate.

[OomStruisbaai]

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OP updated.

[SaintK]

Premiership top try scorer is...

..............not selected!!!!!

And Underhill selected ahead of Earls is just as baffling!!!

[Brazil]

england.jpg

Feel sorry for Dombrandt picking up an injury a week before departure though Billy has been the form 8 the back end of the season
No Youngs at last. Though having to select Care is a bit of an indictment to our player development at 9,
Assuming Arundell and Joseph are selected for experiernce?

On the 9s, JVP and Randall are there, and if Quirke wasn't injured he'd have been in the mix, though probably at the expense of JVP.

Furbank and Ewells in there to fulfil the "Eddie Jones is a genius who sees things other coaches don't" quotient.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

3-0 to Australia.

I hope England get beasted, manshamed and humiliated. I've got no respect for Eddie Jones, his methods or his vision whatever the fuck it is.

My mate's out on an 8 week contract in camp with the Wallabies. Says they are looking very sharp and will be difficult to beat in their ownj backyard this time around.

They normally are hard to beat. The question for them is normally can they find sufficient talent in the tight 5 and halfbacks from such low playing numbers, outside of that the physical and rugby talent often sees them present a very stiff challenge.

And on Jones I've got a lot of respect for him and many of his methods, partly because it seems to daft to dismiss someone with his list of achievements and certainly it seems antithetical to the values of rugby to claim one has 'no resect'. I don't like a lot of his selectorial decisions nor tactical decisions, I can see why he's done as he's done at times even if I don't agree with it, and I think he'd be interesting to hear from on what he thinks are the problems in pushing beyond that because a fair amount of the problems he sees even if he's incorrect in not seeing a solution will continue to present as problems

[SaintK]

england.jpg

Feel sorry for Dombrandt picking up an injury a week before departure though Billy has been the form 8 the back end of the season
No Youngs at last. Though having to select Care is a bit of an indictment to our player development at 9,
Assuming Arundell and Joseph are selected for experiernce?

On the 9s, JVP and Randall are there, and if Quirke wasn't injured he'd have been in the mix, though probably at the expense of JVP.

Furbank and Ewells in there to fulfil the "Eddie Jones is a genius who sees things other coaches don't" quotient.

Can only assume he is covering both 15 and 10 though in my mind he would be 3rd choice at both and not even make the bench.
As for Ewels