Stop voting for fucking Tories

[SaintK]

Coffey getting her priorities in place for the NHS.

Thérèse Coffey, the new health secretary and deputy prime minister, has angered some NHS staff “by telling them to ‘be positive’ and avoid using policy wonk ‘jargon’ as they grapple with job cuts and the deepening cost of living crisis”, the Financial Times reports. Coffey issued her instructions in an email setting out her communication preferences. It even mentioned her dislike of the Oxford comma.

[Biffer]

Coffey getting her priorities in place for the NHS.

Thérèse Coffey, the new health secretary and deputy prime minister, has angered some NHS staff “by telling them to ‘be positive’ and avoid using policy wonk ‘jargon’ as they grapple with job cuts and the deepening cost of living crisis”, the Financial Times reports. Coffey issued her instructions in an email setting out her communication preferences. It even mentioned her dislike of the Oxford comma.

I’m just waiting for something to come down from in high from my new boss, the minister for Victorian England

[C69]

I doubt many health workers even know who Coffey is tbh, let alone be offended by her.

[Torquemada 1420]

Coffey getting her priorities in place for the NHS.

Thérèse Coffey, the new health secretary and deputy prime minister, has angered some NHS staff “by telling them to ‘be positive’ and avoid using policy wonk ‘jargon’ as they grapple with job cuts and the deepening cost of living crisis”, the Financial Times reports. Coffey issued her instructions in an email setting out her communication preferences. It even mentioned her dislike of the Oxford comma.

She needs to worry about her like of pies before her dislike of the Oxford comma.

[I like neeps]

Oh dear.

[Tichtheid]

It’s one law for King Charles the billionaire and another for his struggling subjects

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... 1663222058

[Torquemada 1420]

Oh dear.

My uncle always used to joke that the UK was a 3rd world country when he visited from France. At this rate, it will become reality.

[Biffer]

Joining the EU helped to rid us of the sick man of Europe tag. No reason that can’t come back.

[ASMO]

[fishfoodie]

Brain the size of a walnut ... check

Soon to become extinct .... double check !

[GogLais]

It's just struck me that I've no idea what the PM's husband looks like or what his name is. That's assuming she is married of course, I haven't checked. Whereas every other PM's spouse has been at least a semi-public figure for as long as I remember. He's entitled to his privacy of course, I just thought it was unusual.

[C69]

It's just struck me that I've no idea what the PM's husband looks like or what his name is. That's assuming she is married of course, I haven't checked. Whereas every other PM's spouse has been at least a semi-public figure for as long as I remember. He's entitled to his privacy of course, I just thought it was unusual.

Not really private, she had an affair previously apologised for her 18 month affair and he was decimated and embarrassed by his cuckholding.

[GogLais]

It's just struck me that I've no idea what the PM's husband looks like or what his name is. That's assuming she is married of course, I haven't checked. Whereas every other PM's spouse has been at least a semi-public figure for as long as I remember. He's entitled to his privacy of course, I just thought it was unusual.

Not really private, she had an affair previously apologised for her 18 month affair and he was decimated and embarrassed by his cuckholding.

Had to Google, I knew nothing about it.

[Biffer]

It's just struck me that I've no idea what the PM's husband looks like or what his name is. That's assuming she is married of course, I haven't checked. Whereas every other PM's spouse has been at least a semi-public figure for as long as I remember. He's entitled to his privacy of course, I just thought it was unusual.

Not really private, she had an affair previously apologised for her 18 month affair and he was decimated and embarrassed by his cuckholding.

According to the leaked whip scandal list, she was shagging junior researchers and Kwasi Kwarteng.

[SaintK]

It's just struck me that I've no idea what the PM's husband looks like or what his name is. That's assuming she is married of course, I haven't checked. Whereas every other PM's spouse has been at least a semi-public figure for as long as I remember. He's entitled to his privacy of course, I just thought it was unusual.

Not really private, she had an affair previously apologised for her 18 month affair and he was decimated and embarrassed by his cuckholding.

According to the leaked whip scandal list, she was shagging junior researchers and Kwasi Kwarteng.

.....................with the former MP Mark Field. Sounds as if she's a serial shagger. Now where have heard that before?

[GogLais]

Not really private, she had an affair previously apologised for her 18 month affair and he was decimated and embarrassed by his cuckholding.

According to the leaked whip scandal list, she was shagging junior researchers and Kwasi Kwarteng.

.....................with the former MP Mark Field. Sounds as if she's a serial shagger. Now where have heard that before?

Well at least the Tories are practising gender equality.

[Lobby]

Not really private, she had an affair previously apologised for her 18 month affair and he was decimated and embarrassed by his cuckholding.

According to the leaked whip scandal list, she was shagging junior researchers and Kwasi Kwarteng.

.....................with the former MP Mark Field. Sounds as if she's a serial shagger. Now where have heard that before?

Well, according to her, her 18-month affair with Mark Field made her marriage 'stronger'. Her husband refused to comment, so he may not have taken quite the same view.

We don't know if her other alleged affairs with junior researchers and Kwasi also helped to make her marriage even stronger.

[_Os_]

I'm not "just shouting "it's racist"" though am I. As a South African you learn to not to do that and just keep pressing on. Over multiple posts I first defined the term coconut describing why it was racist, and then described what the political consequences of that type of thinking are in a society, with an example. To make this post in reply to me, you had to ignore my points, you also ignored my questions about the latter part of all that (the inevitable consequences if the thinking you advocate becomes entrenched). Do you think only people that aren't white can be racial traitors if they support the Tories, and within the context of an increasingly multiracial society do you think this thinking somehow won't be applied to whites if it flourishes, that they too will be racial traitors if they support a certain party?

Very funny about not thinking I knew anything about the hostile environment and the Windrush scandal also, despite actually being an African living in the UK. Then ignoring my reply there also. Have you ever completed a Windrush Scheme application for yourself or a relative, do you know what it entails? Ever been to Lunar House and told your case was all to difficult and to basically fuck off?

You're out of your depth.

I'm bored of your JKM weaseling around the subject so will distil this down to 2 simple questions. The answers are binary. YES or NO? No need for 4 paragraphs of obfuscation.

1) Is the Tory party institutionally racist?
2) Do you think you know better than coloured people (black, if you want to narrow it to this particular debate) what is and isn't racist to them?

So you ignored my questions, thought as much.

I'll finish off the stuff on the hostile environment (which you brought up). You mentioned it to make the point that the Tories were to blame for it. But that's not what anyone who has been subjected to the hostile environment (guessing you haven't?), or has actually gone through the Windrush Scheme process themselves or helped a relative through it, would think. I know this because I'm speaking from personal experience. Instead the entire UK state is blamed, not just the Tories alone. The Windrush Scheme process makes it really naked, because all the various seemingly arbitrary cut off dates (if before abc date x applies otherwise y applies) are the dates laws came into force which further stripped people of rights until they were turned into illegal immigrants. These laws span 1949 to1983, under both Tory and Labour governments, a leaked Home Office report admits immigration laws during those 30 years were intentionally designed to limit the UK's non-white population.

Now, if you actually knew what you were talking about you would know this, and the names of all the Acts of Parliament the dates they came into force and what they did (as I do, but you're pleading you struggle with paragraphs). And that all the hostile environment really did was enforce them (by empowering petty officials that don't even understand the laws) and then added to them. Anyway ...

1. I think it's widely known they're an Islamophobic organisation, this is what even some of their reps who are Muslim have said. I'm not going to fight that hard if someone says they're institutionally racist.
2. Black people aren't a monolith, there is no black hive mind. As with white people there's many different views. The ones who get called racial traitors because of their political views, do not regard themselves as being white, they say they are black but you choose to ignore them and I don't. Unintentionally your question shows where you're going wrong, for it to make sense and be answerable the starting point has to be a one size fits all cookie cutter with no deviation, there's no room in your thought for individuals with their own opinions. Not convinced you would treat whites this way, as in something like "Are you against Brexit and therefore against the opinion of the whites and trying to dictate your view to the whites? YES or NO".

[_Os_]

It's contentious whether 2 people of the same race and or culture could ever be accused of racially insulting one another (other than deliberately in jest or irony... go back to context or intent ^^^). Hence, regardless of factual accuracy about black Tories betraying their own race/culture, other blacks calling them coconuts is not racist. It simply is a non sequitur.

I missed this post last night. Quite a bit of ignorance in it.

"Racism" literally came into widespread popular usage in the 1930s to describe German Nazi policies towards German Jews. The word was used before then, but not widely. The literal original popular usage of the word racism was the Nazi position that Jews are racial traitors and therefore not white and thus fair game for all types of discrimination.

[Torquemada 1420]

2. Black people aren't a monolith, there is no black hive mind. As with white people there's many different views. The ones who get called racial traitors because of their political views, do not regard themselves as being white, they say they are black but you choose to ignore them and I don't. Unintentionally your question shows where you're going wrong, for it to make sense and be answerable the starting point has to be a one size fits all cookie cutter with no deviation, there's no room in your thought for individuals with their own opinions. Not convinced you would treat whites this way, as in something like "Are you against Brexit and therefore against the opinion of the whites and trying to dictate your view to the whites? YES or NO".

We are simply going to disagree here. You are trying to disaggregate peoples (all of them. Through the entirety of history) into the smallest quantum: that of the individual. Taking it that far would mean no identifiable races, cultures or religions. No such thing as the Incas. No such thing as the Romans. No such thing as the Ismailis. You have gone too far down that path and I think, in a desperate attempt to be seen to be uber-liberal minded, have confused the fact that there is room for individuality in any group BUT that those very same individuals either choose to be part of a group or accept that wider society categorises them as such. Your take here would render the world in which we live nonsensical. Burn the history books. Tear up the borders.

Sometimes group are what the majority says they are and, in this case, the majority of blacks in this country would call those Tories coconuts and, by extension, have both claimed them as part of their own group whilst calling them out as traitors. Whether the coconuts would take your stance and say "hey, we are not black" is highly debatable but I think unlikely and, in the end, irrelevant.

Your last question is not even close to a comparator: - the Brexit split was roughly equal and not millions versus numbers you can count on 2 hands. Also, it was an issue across all groups. I know very many Asians who voted out. Not just a few.

[_Os_]

You are trying to disaggregate peoples (all of them. Through the entirety of history) into the smallest quantum: that of the individual. Taking it that far would mean no identifiable races, cultures or religions. No such thing as the Incas. No such thing as the Romans. No such thing as the Ismailis. You have gone too far down that path and I think, in a desperate attempt to be seen to be uber-liberal minded, have confused the fact that there is room for individuality in any group BUT that those very same individuals either choose to be part of a group or accept that wider society categorises them as such.

Race, culture, and religion aren't all the same thing though. You don't get to freely choose your race, so you either accept the individual or impose a racial construct on them. No clue how the Romans fit into this? Pretty sure at no point have I argued cultures and religions don't exist.

Sometimes group are what the majority says they are and, in this case, the majority of blacks in this country would call those Tories coconuts and, by extension, have both claimed them as part of their own group whilst calling them out as traitors. Whether the coconuts would take your stance and say "hey, we are not black" is highly debatable but I think unlikely and, in the end, irrelevant.

Where have I said they would say "we're not black"? I've seen Patel and Badenoch both answer the points you're making, and they say their race remains unchanged and those accusing them are racists.

Your last question is not even close to a comparator: - the Brexit split was roughly equal and not millions versus numbers you can count on 2 hands. Also, it was an issue across all groups. I know very many Asians who voted out. Not just a few.

It's not always a good idea dismissing a minority opinion out of hand. Something doesn't need to be a majority view to be legitimate and even to be the truth. Which was the point I was making with that example.

You're right though, we're not going to agree, think I said that posts back already.

[Biffer]

We’re trying to hate Tories here, will you two shut the fuck up and take it elsewhere.

[Calculon]

I find it quite an interesting discussion

[SaintK]

I find it quite an interesting discussion

You can jolly well join them else where then!

[SaintK]

Rees-Smug at it again!

Ministers were keen to launch a review to revive imperial measurements – such as pounds and ounces – and the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS), now overseen by Jacob Rees-Mogg, conducted a government consultation over the summer. However, the questions appeared to have something missing.
The survey asked consumers: “If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items: i) in imperial units ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent.”
No other option was given.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... -brexit

[tabascoboy]

If you can't achieve the target, simply remove it...

[_Os_]

We’re trying to hate Tories here, will you two shut the fuck up and take it elsewhere.

It's a general UK politics thread, there's stuff on the first page about the FPTP electoral system. Starmer's effectiveness or otherwise pops up now and again. Only Brexit isn't covered because that's so large it has a separate thread.

The Venn diagram of hating the Tories and UK politics is just a perfect circle a lot of the time.

[Biffer]

Rees-Smug at it again!

Ministers were keen to launch a review to revive imperial measurements – such as pounds and ounces – and the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS), now overseen by Jacob Rees-Mogg, conducted a government consultation over the summer. However, the questions appeared to have something missing.
The survey asked consumers: “If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items: i) in imperial units ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent.”
No other option was given.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... -brexit

I responded to that and gave them both barrels about its bias as part of the responses, how it would hamper uk business etc etc

[tabascoboy]

[weegie01]

Jacob Rees-Mogg hires psychologists to support victims of the Post Office scandal

Jacob Rees-Mogg is hiring a team of specialist psychologists to provide mental health support to victims of the Post Office Horizon scandal at an inquiry into the saga later this year.

The Business Secretary is drafting in a witness psychological support team for the statutory inquiry over fears that vulnerable victims, some of whom were wrongly sent to jail, might suffer distress in the face of challenging questioning.

During the 2000s and early 2010s, Post Office bosses wrongly prosecuted hundreds of their own staff for theft and fraud using evidence based on the flawed Horizon IT system, which the sub-postmasters used to run their branches.

Courts have heard allegations that Post Office bosses knew Horizon was flawed but still proceeded with prosecutions.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... st-office/

There's a surprise. The Minister for the 18th Century doing something right for the victims of a terrible wrong.

[I like neeps]

Start as they mean to go on.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Rees-Smug at it again!

Ministers were keen to launch a review to revive imperial measurements – such as pounds and ounces – and the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS), now overseen by Jacob Rees-Mogg, conducted a government consultation over the summer. However, the questions appeared to have something missing.
The survey asked consumers: “If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items: i) in imperial units ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent.”
No other option was given.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... -brexit

I responded to that and gave them both barrels about its bias as part of the responses, how it would hamper uk business etc etc

So did I. It's as clear an example of policy based evidence making as you will find.

[ia801310]

I know this is Canada but Woke nonsense like this is why Right Wing parties are on the ascendancy, if I was a centre left politician I would despair as I know I am getting tarred with the same brush.

Pure voter repellent

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... easts.html

[Insane_Homer]

Boris the fucking twunt.

Getting stopped for not following the the correct order and then sulking like the spoilt twat that he is.



but of course he'd have to do something to get the spotlight on him.

[tabascoboy]

[Hal Jordan]

Boris the fucking twunt.

Getting stopped for not following the the correct order and then sulking like the spoilt twat that he is.



but of course he'd have to do something to get the spotlight on him.

I bet he's seething that the Queen clung on in there long enough that he was no longer Prime Minister, thus robbing him of what he would deem to be the proper ending to his tenure.

[Biffer]

Boris the fucking twunt.

Getting stopped for not following the the correct order and then sulking like the spoilt twat that he is.



but of course he'd have to do something to get the spotlight on him.

You can tell he was planning to dump himself into the front row seats where Major, Blair and Brown were seated.

[Openside]

Boris the fucking twunt.

Getting stopped for not following the the correct order and then sulking like the spoilt twat that he is.



but of course he'd have to do something to get the spotlight on him.

You can tell he was planning to dump himself into the front row seats where Major, Blair and Brown were seated.

why wouldn't he? he is a bit more recent than them all.

[Biffer]

Boris the fucking twunt.

Getting stopped for not following the the correct order and then sulking like the spoilt twat that he is.



but of course he'd have to do something to get the spotlight on him.

You can tell he was planning to dump himself into the front row seats where Major, Blair and Brown were seated.

why wouldn't he? he is a bit more recent than them all.

Precedent and tradition. Thought an armed forces guy would understand that.

[Insane_Homer]

It's a general UK politics thread, there's stuff on the first page about the FPTP electoral system. Starmer's effectiveness or otherwise pops up now and again.

Nope, its a tory scum thread. I should know, I started it.