What's going on in Ukraine?

[Blackmac]

Talking of obsolete.

When I was in the OTC at school in the early 1970s we had an armoury with 150 Lee Enfields and a lot of .303 ammunition. We also has two Brens and ammo for them. Every private school in the area had similar, the theory being that we and local veterans could put up some resistance.

What was bizarre then, and is even more in retrospect, is that we also had racks of Martini Henry breech loading rifles, plus ammo. Exactly what anyone was going to do with them is a mystery, but every single weapon was meticulously maintained.

Sadly, probably long destroyed nowadays

by the late 80s, we had drilled-barrelled Lee Enfields for Drill only

Hopefully kept plenty screwdrivers on hand to open the ammo boxes. That can cause all sorts of problems.

[Brazil]

Talking of obsolete.

When I was in the OTC at school in the early 1970s we had an armoury with 150 Lee Enfields and a lot of .303 ammunition. We also has two Brens and ammo for them. Every private school in the area had similar, the theory being that we and local veterans could put up some resistance.

What was bizarre then, and is even more in retrospect, is that we also had racks of Martini Henry breech loading rifles, plus ammo. Exactly what anyone was going to do with them is a mystery, but every single weapon was meticulously maintained.

Sadly, probably long destroyed nowadays

by the late 80s, we had drilled-barrelled Lee Enfields for Drill only

Hopefully kept plenty screwdrivers on hand to open the ammo boxes. That can cause all sorts of problems.

That turned out to be a myth, unfortunately.

The Martini Henry was a great gun, the rounds could put a hole in you big enough to fuck.

[lemonhead]

Paid their blood debt to society. Great bunch of lads

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... nary-group

[Blackmac]

Sadly, probably long destroyed nowadays

by the late 80s, we had drilled-barrelled Lee Enfields for Drill only

Hopefully kept plenty screwdrivers on hand to open the ammo boxes. That can cause all sorts of problems.

That turned out to be a myth, unfortunately.

The Martini Henry was a great gun, the rounds could put a hole in you big enough to fuck.

I wouldn't say it was a myth. It's not the entire cause, far more to it than that, but there was elements of truth to it, accompanied by poor distribution of ammo on the whole.

[Brazil]

Hopefully kept plenty screwdrivers on hand to open the ammo boxes. That can cause all sorts of problems.

That turned out to be a myth, unfortunately.

The Martini Henry was a great gun, the rounds could put a hole in you big enough to fuck.

I wouldn't say it was a myth. It's not the entire cause, far more to it than that, but there was elements of truth to it, accompanied by poor distribution of ammo on the whole.

I thought it was that Smith Dorrien got it wrong in his account and then Morris repeated it in The Washing of the Spears. The main causes were the line being too exposed so that when Durnford (who did run out of ammunition, on account of having gone out too far to reconnoitre) was overrun and the NNC folded, which exposed the right flank so that G Company was overwhelmed. After that they tried pulling back to the camp, but by that point the Zulu right horn had got round the back and they were wiped out piecemeal.

[Blackmac]

That turned out to be a myth, unfortunately.

The Martini Henry was a great gun, the rounds could put a hole in you big enough to fuck.

I wouldn't say it was a myth. It's not the entire cause, far more to it than that, but there was elements of truth to it, accompanied by poor distribution of ammo on the whole.

I thought it was that Smith Dorrien got it wrong in his account and then Morris repeated it in The Washing of the Spears. The main causes were the line being too exposed so that when Durnford (who did run out of ammunition, on account of having gone out too far to reconnoitre) was overrun and the NNC folded, which exposed the right flank so that G Company was overwhelmed. After that they tried pulling back to the camp, but by that point the Zulu right horn had got round the back and they were wiped out piecemeal.

Yeah, the lines being too exposed and widely spread was the main thing but there were accounts that unopened ammunition boxes were carried out to the lines without screwdrivers. Whilst they were able to get them open by brute force it certainly interrupted and slowed their rate of fire.

[tabascoboy]

Additionally, cruise missile reportedly crossed Moldovan airspace

[Uncle fester]

They are firing missiles from Transnistria into Ukraine?
That's stock they won't be able to replenish in a hurry.

[happytramp]

They are firing missiles from Transnistria into Ukraine?
That's stock they won't be able to replenish in a hurry.

Think they came from the black sea.

[tabascoboy]

They are firing missiles from Transnistria into Ukraine?
That's stock they won't be able to replenish in a hurry.

Think they came from the black sea.

Yes from near the SW Crimea coast towards L'viv

[Brazil]

Presumably they're coming from the Kilos?

[Uncle fester]

They are firing missiles from Transnistria into Ukraine?
That's stock they won't be able to replenish in a hurry.

Think they came from the black sea.

Yes from near the SW Crimea coast towards L'viv

Ah that makes sense.

[tabascoboy]

Presumably they're coming from the Kilos?

Unspecified vessels from the Black Sea fleet AFAIK

[laurent]

I wonder if the French SAMP/T battery that is covering the French deployment Romania can be relocated to Chisinau...

The Moldovan government has also collapsed to add to the Crisis...

[TB63]

[pjm1]

Talking of obsolete.

When I was in the OTC at school in the early 1970s we had an armoury with 150 Lee Enfields and a lot of .303 ammunition. We also has two Brens and ammo for them. Every private school in the area had similar, the theory being that we and local veterans could put up some resistance.

What was bizarre then, and is even more in retrospect, is that we also had racks of Martini Henry breech loading rifles, plus ammo. Exactly what anyone was going to do with them is a mystery, but every single weapon was meticulously maintained.

Were you at TGA perchance?!

[weegie01]

Talking of obsolete.

When I was in the OTC at school in the early 1970s we had an armoury with 150 Lee Enfields and a lot of .303 ammunition. We also has two Brens and ammo for them. Every private school in the area had similar, the theory being that we and local veterans could put up some resistance.

What was bizarre then, and is even more in retrospect, is that we also had racks of Martini Henry breech loading rifles, plus ammo. Exactly what anyone was going to do with them is a mystery, but every single weapon was meticulously maintained.

Were you at TGA perchance?!

No, about 50 miles noth north east in God's country.

[Uncle fester]

Decent read.
https://samf.substack.com/p/the-storm-b ... calm?sd=pf

[Hellraiser]

[TheFrog]

Very moving story.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64523029

[Uncle fester]

Very moving story.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64523029

Yulia needs to be told to get the fück out of Dodge for the sake of her child.

[pjm1]

Talking of obsolete.

When I was in the OTC at school in the early 1970s we had an armoury with 150 Lee Enfields and a lot of .303 ammunition. We also has two Brens and ammo for them. Every private school in the area had similar, the theory being that we and local veterans could put up some resistance.

What was bizarre then, and is even more in retrospect, is that we also had racks of Martini Henry breech loading rifles, plus ammo. Exactly what anyone was going to do with them is a mystery, but every single weapon was meticulously maintained.

Were you at TGA perchance?!

No, about 50 miles noth north east in God's country.

Ah fair enough. The Academy is one of the few schools now that still has a rifle range (next to the sports hall). Probably the reason the army division of CCF is so popular…

[weegie01]

Ah fair enough. The Academy is one of the few schools now that still has a rifle range (next to the sports hall). Probably the reason the army division of CCF is so popular…

I went to Morrison's and just assumed they still had a range. But the range was part of the swimming pool / gym (we did not havs sports halls in those days) complex. That has all been redeveloped.

There were about 900 pupils when I was there, about 500 now so it may not have been worth retaining the range although the cadets seem popular.

[booji boy]

Very moving story.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64523029

Yulia needs to be told to get the fück out of Dodge for the sake of her child.

Yeah my feelings exactly! I saw that on our TV news last night.

[Hellraiser]

Very moving story.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64523029

Yulia needs to be told to get the fück out of Dodge for the sake of her child.

[Hellraiser]

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[tabascoboy]

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[TheFrog]

Very moving story.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64523029

Yulia needs to be told to get the fück out of Dodge for the sake of her child.

[TheFrog]

Double post.

[TheFrog]

Can't wait for the moment unrest becomes uncontrollable for Putin.

[Hellraiser]

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[Niegs]

I had a war movie 'flashback' with the sight of that gun barrel, but quickly remembered the MG3 is derived from the MG42. Too bad we didn't get to hear its soft rattle.

[Hellraiser]

I had a war movie 'flashback' with the sight of that gun barrel, but quickly remembered the MG3 is derived from the MG42. Too bad we didn't get to hear its soft rattle.

Those are actually Italian MG42/59s.

[tabascoboy]

[Hellraiser]

German AT-2 and American RAAM artillery dispersed mines are making a big difference at Vulhedar and Avdiivka. Russian UR-77 mine clearers can't get rid of them.

[Uncle fester]

He always makes me think of the Roger Allam character in V For Vendetta.