RWCR3 Ireland vs Springboks @ 23/9 21h00

[Enzedder]

Same side. Porter bind is illegal, Malherbe is belly flopping.
Both should be penalised.

Bin is confused. He cannot give a penalty to the Crusaders so he doesn't know what to do.

A RWC match between two of the best test teams in the world and you're playing your favourite parochial petty provincial tune

I fucking KNEW you would bite.

Here's another for the Saffers and Irish...

Great setup for an All Blacks V France final...

[Guy Smiley]

I fucking KNEW you would bite.

You had two goes at it... in a match that didn't involve our team(s). That's just sad.

[Insane_Homer]

Great setup for an All Blacks V France final...

Clearly you didn't watch the Eng game with the UK ITV commentary.

[Sandstorm]

Bin is confused. He cannot give a penalty to the Crusaders so he doesn't know what to do.

A RWC match between two of the best test teams in the world and you're playing your favourite parochial petty provincial tune

I fucking KNEW you would bite.

Here's another for the Saffers and Irish...

Great setup for an All Blacks V France final...

Barnes or Peyper, mate?

[_Os_]

Good match, congrats to Ireland on the win. Ireland got around the Bok defence twice and made those and other chances count, Boks didn't convert all their chances into points.

Re-watching that will be worthwhile I reckon. I watched the Boks v Ireland match from last year today, and this one feels a lot like that one. Frans gave up some scrum penalties in that one too, should've been replaced earlier today looked totally exhausted when he came off. Not convinced by Fourie at hooker, the pens for pushing before the ball was in are probably on him, maybe the biggest take away from that match for the Boks is the damage the loss of Marx has done. Don't feel too bad about the Bok chances otherwise, but the draw is crazy so could go out in the quarters still. Probably better to get really tested now rather than in the knockouts, but who knows.


For the pool getting the losing bonus point was crucial, on my reading of the rules:

Boks - If the Boks beat Tonga with 4 tries they've qualified for the quarters with 15 points. If the Boks end up on 15, the max Scotland can get is 15, first tiebreaker is the winner of the match between the tied teams.
Scotland - If the Scots beat Tonga and Romania with 4 tries, and beat Ireland whilst depriving Ireland of a bonus point, they've qualified with 14 points and Ireland are out (Scotland and Ireland will both be on 14, and the first tiebreaker is the winner of the match the tied teams played).
Ireland - If Ireland get a bonus point against Scotland, that's enough to qualify top of the pool on 15 points as long as Scotland don't get a bonus even if they win.

In the unlikely event of all three ending up on 15 points, winners of matches between the tied teams will not reduce 3 into 2, so it'll move to the next tiebreaker which is points difference in all pool matches.

[Tichtheid]

Great setup for an All Blacks V France final...

Clearly you didn't watch the Eng game with the UK ITV commentary.

Ach, they play to their audience, it's laughable to anyone who knows about rugby but they are trying to gee up a partizan crowd, one that might not necessarily know rugby very well.

I can almost forgive them for the ridiculous hyperbole, they need to attract a retuning audience.

England are shite, though.

[fishfoodie]

The people I feel really sorry for tonight are ...... the entire bar staff of Paris !

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they ain't going home tonight !!!!!

[Guy Smiley]

[fishfoodie]

They did their bit in defense, but as we all know, they needed the pack to front up first, for them to not get blown off the park

[_Os_]

I think the issue of Kiwis being on our threads getting excited needs to be addressed. Smiler even setup some sort of online countdown clock for this match . I love you guys it has been many years now and the only Kiwi I really ever laughed at and had any clashes with was Egenius because he's a dick (the other guys were just passionate or taking the piss, other than QP who was his own thing), but the All Blacks are unlikely to play the Boks now so the record defeat will just have to remain unavenged this year.

Your focus will have to shift to supporting Scotland (lucky them) if you want the best shot of the ABs meeting the Boks.

[laurent]

Just back from the game great atmosphere there

[fishfoodie]

Just back from the game great atmosphere there

I hope you choked down the bile & sang alone with the "Fields" !

[Cartman]

Why didnt they let Willemse kick for poles?
Not just this game but previously
On par with Manie ito quality but he has better mentality imo

[_Os_]

Why didnt they let Willemse kick for poles?
Not just this game but previously
On par with Manie ito quality but he has better mentality imo

Re-watched the 2022 match today, Willemse was kicking in that one, missed a pen that was easy-ish and landed a pen, missed two conversions (can't remember if he was the kicker for each, Kolbe took over and landed a pen). Match was lost by 3 points, 7 points not kicked.

This issue isn't such a big one for me, just start Pollard. If they choose not to start Pollard, that's a mad choice, but I support the team so can live with it.

The bigger issue is converting chances into points. First half the pop from Kriel to Kolisi on the line that Kolisi wasn't expecting, a lot of pressure turned into not much. Lineout maul at the end was some good work getting into that position, but didn't finish it (ja the ref blah blah ... but if they could work a position like that they should've done it earlier in the match).

[Cartman]

Why didnt they let Willemse kick for poles?
Not just this game but previously
On par with Manie ito quality but he has better mentality imo

Re-watched the 2022 match today, Willemse was kicking in that one, missed a pen that was easy-ish and landed a pen, missed two conversions (can't remember if he was the kicker for each, Kolbe took over and landed a pen). Match was lost by 3 points, 7 points not kicked.

This issue isn't such a big one for me, just start Pollard. If they choose not to start Pollard, that's a mad choice, but I support the team so can live with it.

The bigger issue is converting chances into points. First half the pop from Kriel to Kolisi on the line that Kolisi wasn't expecting, a lot of pressure turned into not much. Lineout maul at the end was some good work getting into that position, but didn't finish it (ja the ref blah blah ... but if they could work a position like that they should've done it earlier in the match).

The fact that they chose Pollard over a hooker surely means he will at least play vs Tonga and then make a decision.
Looking forward how he goes.
Im not crazy about his general play but was Manie any better than him in the other departments today, I dont think so. Its a bit harder playing Manieball in the big games.

[_Os_]

Im not crazy about his general play but was Manie any better than him in the other departments today, I dont think so. Its a bit harder playing Manieball in the big games.

Pollard isn't a slouch ball in hand. When a player doesn't play, whatever is missed most gets rated more highly the less they're there. Some players get more rated the less they play.

The truth is Pollard has a popgun boot, range isn't great, but he's an 80%+ place kicker at under 50 metres. He's strong defending in the line. Slower than Libbok. In these sort of tests I would maybe rate Pollard's play making ahead of Libbok's (hard to call because Libbok hasn't played as many as Pollard), Pollard's highlights have a lot of carrying and offloading against strong test sides though. Pollard is an attacking flyhalf that carries and puts players into space, he's not some one dimensional kicking machine, but the Boks obviously need a place kicker so that's what is being rated.

Was impressed by Faf's range place kicking in this one. Small guy but was in the Frans role of booting the ball at the goal from in front and 50+ metres out. Missed both but had the range, guessing he took those because no one else had the range.

[OomStruisbaai]

This may sound arrogant but I get the nagging feeling Rassie through this game. Not actual throwing, but by team selection and tactic. Why not take easy kicks, but try 55m bombs, using your midget? Think about it, take loss now or later?

Here they come

Dunno why you laugh. You Kiwis are the ones having a problem with the ref.

[OomStruisbaai]

Im not crazy about his general play but was Manie any better than him in the other departments today, I dont think so. Its a bit harder playing Manieball in the big games.

Pollard isn't a slouch ball in hand. When a player doesn't play, whatever is missed most gets rated more highly the less they're there. Some players get more rated the less they play.

The truth is Pollard has a popgun boot, range isn't great, but he's an 80%+ place kicker at under 50 metres. He's strong defending in the line. Slower than Libbok. In these sort of tests I would maybe rate Pollard's play making ahead of Libbok's (hard to call because Libbok hasn't played as many as Pollard), Pollard's highlights have a lot of carrying and offloading against strong test sides though. Pollard is an attacking flyhalf that carries and puts players into space, he's not some one dimensional kicking machine, but the Boks obviously need a place kicker so that's what is being rated.

Was impressed by Faf's range place kicking in this one. Small guy but was in the Frans role of booting the ball at the goal from in front and 50+ metres out. Missed both but had the range, guessing he took those because no one else had the range.

Look I know Pollards play well. No way his distribution is even close to Manie. Faf's service was sow last night, take a step or two before passing but Manie still being able to put players in space. Pollard +Ellende + Kriel = high kick and charge rugby add Faf, no respect for possession.

[OomStruisbaai]

Sadly the Bok coaches will go back now to the old truste stock like Willie, Mapimpi and Pollard and boring rugby.

You are joking right. Tonight's backline bar Jesse was kak. Couldn't create anything. You forgot to include Moodie and Esterhuizen......

Bar Jessie? He was the kakkest of all.The vokker struggle to pass but then get in his small brain to throw Kolisi on his head on the tryline.

Willemse was by far our best back but we know it's difficult for you.

[Torquemada 1420]

I think the issue of Kiwis being on our threads getting excited needs to be addressed. Smiler even setup some sort of online countdown clock for this match . I love you guys it has been many years now and the only Kiwi I really ever laughed at and had any clashes with was Egenius because he's a dick (the other guys were just passionate or taking the piss, other than QP who was his own thing), but the All Blacks are unlikely to play the Boks now so the record defeat will just have to remain unavenged this year.

Your focus will have to shift to supporting Scotland (lucky them) if you want the best shot of the ABs meeting the Boks.

Kerrrist. Whatever happened to Eug? He did have good taste in music though.

[OomStruisbaai]

I think the issue of Kiwis being on our threads getting excited needs to be addressed. Smiler even setup some sort of online countdown clock for this match . I love you guys it has been many years now and the only Kiwi I really ever laughed at and had any clashes with was Egenius because he's a dick (the other guys were just passionate or taking the piss, other than QP who was his own thing), but the All Blacks are unlikely to play the Boks now so the record defeat will just have to remain unavenged this year.

Your focus will have to shift to supporting Scotland (lucky them) if you want the best shot of the ABs meeting the Boks.

Kerrrist. Whatever happened to Eug? He did have good taste in music though.

He is still on PR.

Os forgot about AC. Use to be the biggest trolley. Must be difficult for him to cope.

[Chilli]

[Chilli]

[PCPhil]

I know all Kiwis will say..."we're so crap we'll lose to Italy..." but, for the nuetrals the setup is amazing. We get 4 finals this year. Yesterdays. Ireland v NZ, France v SA, then any 2 of those 4 to meet up later.
(still shite or WR to screw up the draw for cheap headline 3 years ago)

[Torquemada 1420]

I think the issue of Kiwis being on our threads getting excited needs to be addressed. Smiler even setup some sort of online countdown clock for this match . I love you guys it has been many years now and the only Kiwi I really ever laughed at and had any clashes with was Egenius because he's a dick (the other guys were just passionate or taking the piss, other than QP who was his own thing), but the All Blacks are unlikely to play the Boks now so the record defeat will just have to remain unavenged this year.

Your focus will have to shift to supporting Scotland (lucky them) if you want the best shot of the ABs meeting the Boks.

Kerrrist. Whatever happened to Eug? He did have good taste in music though.

He is still on PR.

Os forgot about AC. Use to be the biggest trolley. Must be difficult for him to cope.

Agreed about Ali's Chump. Idiot.

[Sards]

Sadly the Bok coaches will go back now to the old truste stock like Willie, Mapimpi and Pollard and boring rugby.

You are joking right. Tonight's backline bar Jesse was kak. Couldn't create anything. You forgot to include Moodie and Esterhuizen......

Bar Jessie? He was the kakkest of all.The vokker struggle to pass but then get in his small brain to throw Kolisi on his head on the tryline.

Willemse was by far our best back but we know it's difficult for you.

You are deluded. What's the point of a multiskilled player who can't kick . That's not multi skilled. That's wishful thinking. Willemse was poor on defense. If it wasnt for Kriel the Irish would have had a try where Willemse made absolutely no attempt to tackle and 2 Irish players sauntered past him and Kriel saved the day by coming across to make the tackle. Saved our collective butts. Kriel was solid on defense. Willemse never passed the ball once on his breaks. He is like De Allende. Looks to go himself and take contact instead of like Willie who puts players in space. We lost that game with our backline selection. And the 7 to 1 split was based on Willemse being able to cover multiple positions......which he obviously cannot. Also the reason why Pollard is not there. They have built their entire backline around Willemse. Just remember. 2 crunch matches were lost because of this. The NZ game in the RC and now this pool game against Ireland. I have always said we need specialist players. Not bit players who we say are Jack of all trades.
The evidence is there. Rassie and Nienaber need to also realize this. Our forwards played their hearts out for nothing.

[laurent]

Just back from the game great atmosphere there

I hope you choked down the bile & sang alone with the "Fields" !

I have no beef with Connacht

[Sards]

Look I know Pollards play well. No way his distribution is even close to Manie. Faf's service was sow last night, take a step or two before passing but Manie still being able to put players in space. Pollard +Ellende + Kriel = high kick and charge rugby add Faf, no respect for possession.

Spoken like a WP supporter.
No amount of speculation about Pollard will change the fact that we lost this game because our backline was not up to the standards of our forwards. Kolbe and KLA....midgets which were effectively neutralized because of DDA in the backline at 12 and a 15 who refused to pass the ball trying to make a name for himself.

Give Ireland credit for seeing what you and Rassie refuse to see. Glaring weaknesses.

[troglodiet]

This may sound arrogant but I get the nagging feeling Rassie through this game. Not actual throwing, but by team selection and tactic. Why not take easy kicks, but try 55m bombs, using your midget? Think about it, take loss now or later?

Jesus boet, please don’t be “that” Saffer stereotype.

Completely unfair towards us Saffas.

There are a lot of reasons why we don't want Bulls supporters here. This is one of them.

So please call it what it is: Bulls stereotype.

[Bloutoria]

This may sound arrogant but I get the nagging feeling Rassie through this game. Not actual throwing, but by team selection and tactic. Why not take easy kicks, but try 55m bombs, using your midget? Think about it, take loss now or later?

Jesus boet, please don’t be “that” Saffer stereotype.

Completely unfair towards us Saffas.

There are a lot of reasons why we don't want Bulls supporters here. This is one of them.

So please call it what it is: Bulls stereotype.

I apologised and everything. Have mercy.

[C69]

Any words from Rassie yet?
Yes the ref fucked you over all match but ultimately you were the better team and with a decent kicker you would have won easily.
A bad day at the office but you 2 may meet later in the final and unless the officials screw you over it should be a great game.
Oh and Pollard must start.

[Guy Smiley]

Any words from Rassie yet?
Yes the ref fucked you over all match but ultimately you were the better team and with a decent kicker you would have won easily.
A bad day at the office but you 2 may meet later in the final and unless the officials screw you over it should be a great game.
Oh and Pollard must start.

The ref screwed them over but they missed the shots on goal that he gave them…

So he didn’t screw them over. Ireland adapted and were the stronger side.

[Sards]

Guy you are projecting.
It's clear to everyone. You can stop now

[C69]

Any words from Rassie yet?
Yes the ref fucked you over all match but ultimately you were the better team and with a decent kicker you would have won easily.
A bad day at the office but you 2 may meet later in the final and unless the officials screw you over it should be a great game.
Oh and Pollard must start.

The ref screwed them over but they missed the shots on goal that he gave them…

So he didn’t screw them over. Ireland adapted and were the stronger side.

I thought SA really bottled it tbh. Ireland are excellently coached and Farrell won the battle of the coaches hands down.
2 very different teams one played at their best and won the other blew it with stupid decisions and lacked a decent goal kicker.

[Paddington Bear]

Largely agree with c69. The boks had all the opportunities they could ever need to win that game but the decision to pick a shite goal kicker let them down. How many knock out games ever have been won by teams with a poor kicker? They’ll need to change things up

[Guy Smiley]

I think you need to credit the way Ireland managed to organise themselves and get their game back on track after looking gone for all money in the first quarter. It takes a very good side to do something like that… and then force the pressure back the other way and produce the mistakes.

It’s easy to see how the Boks brought themselves undone but there are always two sides to a Test match story and you often find the winning team were actually the better team.

[Paddington Bear]

I think you need to credit the way Ireland managed to organise themselves and get their game back on track after looking gone for all money in the first quarter. It takes a very good side to do something like that… and then force the pressure back the other way and produce the mistakes.

It’s easy to see how the Boks brought themselves undone but there are always two sides to a Test match story and you often find the winning team were actually the better team.

Yes, sorry, I should be clear I think Ireland were excellent. Their resilience was as you say incredibly impressive. Doesn’t excuse SA for not picking a goal kicker.

[Blake]

Was impressed by Faf's range place kicking in this one. Small guy but was in the Frans role of booting the ball at the goal from in front and 50+ metres out. Missed both but had the range, guessing he took those because no one else had the range.

Surprised me as well. Just over-corrected the second kick and shanked it after slightly hooking the first one, but with Pollard not having that kind of range and Frans Steyn being out of the mix, it's nice to know we have that in the arsenal in a pinch.

[OomStruisbaai]

You are joking right. Tonight's backline bar Jesse was kak. Couldn't create anything. You forgot to include Moodie and Esterhuizen......

Bar Jessie? He was the kakkest of all.The vokker struggle to pass but then get in his small brain to throw Kolisi on his head on the tryline.

Willemse was by far our best back but we know it's difficult for you.

You are deluded. What's the point of a multiskilled player who can't kick . That's not multi skilled. That's wishful thinking. Willemse was poor on defense. If it wasnt for Kriel the Irish would have had a try where Willemse made absolutely no attempt to tackle and 2 Irish players sauntered past him and Kriel saved the day by coming across to make the tackle. Saved our collective butts. Kriel was solid on defense. Willemse never passed the ball once on his breaks. He is like De Allende. Looks to go himself and take contact instead of like Willie who puts players in space. We lost that game with our backline selection. And the 7 to 1 split was based on Willemse being able to cover multiple positions......which he obviously cannot. Also the reason why Pollard is not there. They have built their entire backline around Willemse. Just remember. 2 crunch matches were lost because of this. The NZ game in the RC and now this pool game against Ireland. I have always said we need specialist players. Not bit players who we say are Jack of all trades.
The evidence is there. Rassie and Nienaber need to also realize this. Our forwards played their hearts out for nothing.

You talking kak again, You are welcome to select whoevers player rating

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/south-af ... -cup-2023/

15 – Damian Willemse – 8
Mostly very good. His sharp footwork always seemed to create the extra yard needed to work a move. Slipped tacklers, fielded high balls and hoofed some raking fields across the park. Might have been more incisive when joining the line, and would have been a welcome sight at first receiver more often, but got involved enough to leave a lingering impression.

14 – Kurt-Lee Arendse – 6
Mostly asked to chase high kicks or join the attack as a runner against the grain. He’s just not that sort of winger. Only beat one defender all evening as he ran into traffic time and again. Either the Springboks need to change the way they use him or bring in a harder ball-carrier like Makazole Mapimpi for the knockouts.

13 – Jesse Kriel – 5
Made one charge off of first phase ball and was through a gap on 24 minutes and tidied up an Irish hack deep into Springbok’s territory, but was otherwise a soft presence on the pitch. He tried to off-load to Kolisi when holding on would have been the wiser option. That ended South Africa’s most sustained period of dominance in the first half. One wonders what might have been had he shown more patience.

12 – Damian de Allende – 8
Even in a match involving Bundee Aki, de Allende was a monster in the midfield. Apparently only carried five times but it felt like a lot more. Several runs would be better described as rampaging charges that flattened would-be Ireland tacklers. Garry Ringrose and Johnny Sexton were both run over in the first half and he continued to hammer the line every chance he got. Also played a key hand in Kolbe’s try as he looped round and fed Mani Libbok to his left. One of his more dominant displays for some time.

11 – Cheslin Kolbe – 6
Scored an easy try down the left and went looking for work throughout. It wasn’t a game for hot-stepping wingers but whenever he was called upon, he delivered. Assured under the high ball as well.

10 – Manie Libbok – 5
Have you heard the one about the mercurial Springboks 10 who plays delicious floated passes to set up tries in the corner but can’t kick his goals? Sure you have. It’s been the Manie Libbok story ever since he made his debut. A wonderful try assist on the wraparound for Cheslin Kolbe will win many fantasy points, but his inaccuracy at the tee cost his team the match. It will be tough on him if he has to make way for Handre Pollard in the next round, but only the most romantic among us would argue against that move.

9 – Faf de Klerk – 7
Made an error with his first contribution of any importance, sailing a wild pass for Cheslin Kolbe on the left wing shortly after kick-off, but soon regained his composure. Controlled the tempo well and unfurled a variety of different kicks from hand that each suited the situation. Measured and effervescent all at once. Replaced by Cobus Reinach with six minutes to go.

[OomStruisbaai]

Look I know Pollards play well. No way his distribution is even close to Manie. Faf's service was sow last night, take a step or two before passing but Manie still being able to put players in space. Pollard +Ellende + Kriel = high kick and charge rugby add Faf, no respect for possession.

Spoken like a WP supporter.
No amount of speculation about Pollard will change the fact that we lost this game because our backline was not up to the standards of our forwards. Kolbe and KLA....midgets which were effectively neutralized because of DDA in the backline at 12 and a 15 who refused to pass the ball trying to make a name for himself.

Give Ireland credit for seeing what you and Rassie refuse to see. Glaring weaknesses.

what de vok have WP to do with youre usual stupid argument?

To much pappegaai twak last night?