RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00

[OomStruisbaai]

Tried to hide his identity by saying it in a cockney accent, clever

Hilarious, but Afrikaans "kant" is pronounced the same as the English word "cunt".

That was pretty funny tbf.

Cunt in Afrikaans is kont. Nobody except Namaqualanders use that word. Agree with Ox explanation.

Curry jou Dom kont

[Plim]

This has sent me down a language rabbit hole.

As far as I can tell 'kant' for 'side' is related to the Latin 'contra' - against. This is from an etymology website:

contra-
word-forming element meaning "against, in opposition," from Latin adverb and preposition contra "against" (see contra (prep., adv.)). The Latin word was used as a prefix in Late Latin. In French, it became contre- and passed into English as counter-. The Old English equivalent was wiðer (surviving in withers and widdershins), from wið "with, against."

Apparently the Old French form of 'country' was 'cuntree' - "from medieval Latin contrata (terra) ‘(land) lying opposite’, from Latin contra ‘against, opposite’."

Fascinating.

[_Os_]

'White Kant'

Tried to hide his identity by saying it in a cockney accent, clever

Hilarious, but Afrikaans "kant" is pronounced the same as the English word "cunt".

I remember the first time I played a side from Vrystaat as a laaitie, lots of well built little men shouting "blind kant" (I was blind side wing). Thinking about it "wyd kant" is also used.

It has been known for Aussie/Kiwi refs in CC/Soup to get upset about players shouting "die blind kant!", thinking they meant him. Maybe BO'K knew the score.

[Woddy]

This has sent me down a language rabbit hole.

As far as I can tell 'kant' for 'side' is related to the Latin 'contra' - against. This is from an etymology website:

contra-
word-forming element meaning "against, in opposition," from Latin adverb and preposition contra "against" (see contra (prep., adv.)). The Latin word was used as a prefix in Late Latin. In French, it became contre- and passed into English as counter-. The Old English equivalent was wiðer (surviving in withers and widdershins), from wið "with, against."

Apparently the Old French form of 'country' was 'cuntree' - "from medieval Latin contrata (terra) ‘(land) lying opposite’, from Latin contra ‘against, opposite’."

Fascinating.

It’s also similar to where the placename Kent - the oldest in England - comes from. Old lingos had that stem word to mean side/corner of land.

[Woddy]

PS. Hope it all something about nothing. I can see why Curry misinterpreted what he heard if it is as suggested.

[inactionman]

All sounds like a storm in a teacup.

But anyone slagging Curry about raising it with the ref needs to sort themselves out.

[Blake]

If true, Bongi forgot he is in France. In South Africa they make people washing feet for this. Maybe Bongi should do the same.

He needs to be cleared or banned. It isn't fair to have this lingering on this week of all weeks.

It's funny. I've re watched it from the 26th to 30th minute and I can't see Curry speaking to the ref at all.

It’s at 23 mins. While Farrel is lining up his penalty kick.
If something was said, the only place that makes sense was right after Bongi tackled Curry

[Biffer]

Borthwick completely narrrowed Englands focus to kick/kick chasing, maul defence and tackling...I would be surprised if an attacking move was practised all week.

SA had no idea what to do against a teams refusing to play against them and actually being better physically (scrums last 20 minutes aside).

Its what makes rugby so fascinating..the worlds no1 side and reigning champions one dodgy OKeefe decision away from being turned over by a coach thats lost at home to Scotland coming up with an almost perfect antidote to their strengths.

Lost to Scotland? Lost 4 of the last 6 vs Scotland who are also higher ranked team.. so cnutish comment..

Lost 4 drawn 1.

[notfatcat]

Sorry lads, it's ingrained in us that losing at home to Scotland is barely forgiveable.

[Blake]

Saffers is this likely?

While “Wit Kant” does mean “white side”, I doubt they would refer to England as such during a match.

My feeling is that they were shouting which side needed more bodies for defence. I’ve seen in a Springbok documentary that they call the blind side “die pienk kant”(the pink side) and I suspect they cal the open side “die wit kant” (the white side).

I’d be very surprised and very disappointed if the accusations are indeed true. But if they are he should get the book thrown at him.

It would be utterly bizarre though. Completely contrary to the culture and ethos of his team and a very strange slur for a South African to use. It just feels…off.

[PornDog]

..........but if it had been the other way round!!!!!

What's that supposed to mean?

If Curry had racially abused a Saffer we’d never hear the end of it is I think his suggestion

I know the nuance will be lost on the likes of DAC and his "white genocide" mates, but those two things are really not equitable.

Yes what Bongi said was wrong and yes it should be sanctioned (for a plethero of reasons), but it is not the same thing as a white person calling a black person a "black cunt". That would be, by orders of magnitude, a much more serious thing.

[Niegs]

Didn't see this at the end... what a bunch (few individuals on both sides, tbf) of konts/kants/cunts.

[Slick]

Saffers is this likely?

While “Wit Kant” does mean “white side”, I doubt they would refer to England as such during a match.

My feeling is that they were shouting which side needed more bodies for defence. I’ve seen in a Springbok documentary that they call the blind side “die pienk kant”(the pink side) and I suspect they cal the open side “die wit kant” (the white side).

I’d be very surprised and very disappointed if the accusations are indeed true. But if they are he should get the book thrown at him.

It would be utterly bizarre though. Completely contrary to the culture and ethos of his team and a very strange slur for a South African to use. It just feels…off.

Totally agree, just doesn’t sound right - not that Curry was making it up, just feels like a misunderstanding

[Margin__Walker]

Was that Willie coming from a mile away to give it large in front of the England lads?

Some boy.

[Slick]

Didn't see this at the end... what a bunch (few individuals on both sides, tbf) of konts/kants/cunts.

That is Willie being a total prick

[Bloutoria]

If Ox or anybody said that he would use anther word, that starts wiith p and ends with s. We all use that word, just watch Willie's lips, for example.

[Paddington Bear]

Didn't see this at the end... what a bunch (few individuals on both sides, tbf) of konts/kants/cunts.

That is Willie being a total prick

He was all game, why not lamp him and get a nice post world cup holiday

[Punter15]

If he called Bongi a white cunt it would have been pretty odd....

This seems to be a nothing story by the British press

Seriously fecked up comment.
This must be investigated and sorted before the final.

Lol, I've never even heard a soutie use the word "cunt" never mind some one of Bongi's background. It's just Curry being an ignorant twat and trying to get an opposition player in trouble with the ref, also the British press doing their thing by trying to create controversy to sell papers. As for the "other way around" comment , it seems to be spouted by some dodgy people on Twitter decrying black on white racism, so apologies if I don't take it that seriously

Well Willie Le Roux told a Tongan to ‘Fück off you black cūnt’ so it has been the other way round. I don’t think he was referring to the black kant either.

[OomStruisbaai]

Saffers is this likely?

While “Wit Kant” does mean “white side”, I doubt they would refer to England as such during a match.

My feeling is that they were shouting which side needed more bodies for defence. I’ve seen in a Springbok documentary that they call the blind side “die pienk kant”(the pink side) and I suspect they cal the open side “die wit kant” (the white side).

I’d be very surprised and very disappointed if the accusations are indeed true. But if they are he should get the book thrown at him.

It would be utterly bizarre though. Completely contrary to the culture and ethos of his team and a very strange slur for a South African to use. It just feels…off.

Can you imagine telling the ref to watch the blinde kant (off side)

[_Os_]

Fuck me I love Willie "vir die Strand" Le Roux, serious tappit energy.

Bizarre that English players go the whole match celebrating tiny things that go their way as if they've won the match, clearly gamesmanship and trying to get into the head of the opponent. They do it every match. Then there's an issue when Le Roux does it, when err the match is actually won.

Similar to Dallaglio blaming the ref and no one pulling him up on it. Just like when Dupont moaned about the reffing and no one pulled him up on it. Suddenly you are allowed to criticise the ref.

It's hilarious that Le Roux ran up to the English post match and did a Farrell, and suddenly the problem is the Boks and they're destroying rugby. All he did was celebrate as hard as the English do for a reset scrum.

[Sandstorm]

[tc27]

Borthwick completely narrrowed Englands focus to kick/kick chasing, maul defence and tackling...I would be surprised if an attacking move was practised all week.

SA had no idea what to do against a teams refusing to play against them and actually being better physically (scrums last 20 minutes aside).

Its what makes rugby so fascinating..the worlds no1 side and reigning champions one dodgy OKeefe decision away from being turned over by a coach thats lost at home to Scotland coming up with an almost perfect antidote to their strengths.

Lost to Scotland? Lost 4 of the last 6 vs Scotland who are also higher ranked team.. so cnutish comment..

Was trying to hook Biffer who was posting at the same time.

Loosing the Twickenham home record with the Covid wierdness was a low point but for the avoidance of doubt Scotland have being better for a few years now.

[inactionman]

Fuck me I love Willie "vir die Strand" Le Roux, serious tappit energy.

Bizarre that English players go the whole match celebrating tiny things that go their way as if they've won the match, clearly gamesmanship and trying to get into the head of the opponent. They do it every match. Then there's an issue when Le Roux does it, when err the match is actually won.

Similar to Dallaglio blaming the ref and no one pulling him up on it. Just like when Dupont moaned about the reffing and no one pulled him up on it. Suddenly you are allowed to criticise the ref.

It's hilarious that Le Roux ran up to the English post match and did a Farrell, and suddenly the problem is the Boks and they're destroying rugby. All he did was celebrate as hard as the English do for a reset scrum.

Odd that you've identified the main point whilst totally missing it, all in one sentence.

[_Os_]

Fuck me I love Willie "vir die Strand" Le Roux, serious tappit energy.

Bizarre that English players go the whole match celebrating tiny things that go their way as if they've won the match, clearly gamesmanship and trying to get into the head of the opponent. They do it every match. Then there's an issue when Le Roux does it, when err the match is actually won.

Similar to Dallaglio blaming the ref and no one pulling him up on it. Just like when Dupont moaned about the reffing and no one pulled him up on it. Suddenly you are allowed to criticise the ref.

It's hilarious that Le Roux ran up to the English post match and did a Farrell, and suddenly the problem is the Boks and they're destroying rugby. All he did was celebrate as hard as the English do for a reset scrum.

Odd that you've identified the main point whilst totally missing it, all in one sentence.

Your kant has been doing it for years and years, now it's suddenly bad when our kant does it?

It is the main innovation of Farrell era England. Something England led the world in. Celebrating every knock, every scrum reset, every tackle, every collapsed maul. All the time in the face of the opponent like England had actually won the match. All to try and get a small edge. No one ever stopped England doing it, so they just kept doing it every match, never any comment. NFL behaviour, English soccer behaviour.

The Boks have merely taken something England does which works, incorporated it, improved on it, and taken it to the next level. Do it even after the game as the actual match winning celebration.

It's hilarious.

[Calculon]

Seriously fecked up comment.
This must be investigated and sorted before the final.

Lol, I've never even heard a soutie use the word "cunt" never mind some one of Bongi's background. It's just Curry being an ignorant twat and trying to get an opposition player in trouble with the ref, also the British press doing their thing by trying to create controversy to sell papers. As for the "other way around" comment , it seems to be spouted by some dodgy people on Twitter decrying black on white racism, so apologies if I don't take it that seriously

Well Willie Le Roux told a Tongan to ‘Fück off you black cūnt’ so it has been the other way round. I don’t think he was referring to the black kant either.

sure he did

[Enzedder]

This certainly enables a prop to get a lot lower fhan his opponent.
I think Ben had already reset it and had possibly had enough of time wasting.

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[Chilli]

Seriously fecked up comment.
This must be investigated and sorted before the final.

Lol, I've never even heard a soutie use the word "cunt" never mind some one of Bongi's background. It's just Curry being an ignorant twat and trying to get an opposition player in trouble with the ref, also the British press doing their thing by trying to create controversy to sell papers. As for the "other way around" comment , it seems to be spouted by some dodgy people on Twitter decrying black on white racism, so apologies if I don't take it that seriously

Well Willie Le Roux told a Tongan to ‘Fück off you black cūnt’ so it has been the other way round. I don’t think he was referring to the black kant either.

When did this happen?

[OomStruisbaai]

Lol, I've never even heard a soutie use the word "cunt" never mind some one of Bongi's background. It's just Curry being an ignorant twat and trying to get an opposition player in trouble with the ref, also the British press doing their thing by trying to create controversy to sell papers. As for the "other way around" comment , it seems to be spouted by some dodgy people on Twitter decrying black on white racism, so apologies if I don't take it that seriously

Well Willie Le Roux told a Tongan to ‘Fück off you black cūnt’ so it has been the other way round. I don’t think he was referring to the black kant either.

When did this happen?

There is not much difference between poes and kant?

[assfly]

Well done England on an outstanding performance, as I fully expected would happen.

[Glaston]

This certainly enables a prop to get a lot lower fhan his opponent.
I think Ben had already reset it and had possibly had enough of time wasting.
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Saffa prop knee to ground = reset.

Consistency is needed

[Uncle fester]

Saffers is this likely?

While “Wit Kant” does mean “white side”, I doubt they would refer to England as such during a match.

My feeling is that they were shouting which side needed more bodies for defence. I’ve seen in a Springbok documentary that they call the blind side “die pienk kant”(the pink side) and I suspect they cal the open side “die wit kant” (the white side).

I’d be very surprised and very disappointed if the accusations are indeed true. But if they are he should get the book thrown at him.

It would be utterly bizarre though. Completely contrary to the culture and ethos of his team and a very strange slur for a South African to use. It just feels…off.

Saffer lock lost his contact with Leinster over a similar "misunderstanding".

[Blake]

Fuck me I love Willie "vir die Strand" Le Roux, serious tappit energy.

Bizarre that English players go the whole match celebrating tiny things that go their way as if they've won the match, clearly gamesmanship and trying to get into the head of the opponent. They do it every match. Then there's an issue when Le Roux does it, when err the match is actually won.

Similar to Dallaglio blaming the ref and no one pulling him up on it. Just like when Dupont moaned about the reffing and no one pulled him up on it. Suddenly you are allowed to criticise the ref.

It's hilarious that Le Roux ran up to the English post match and did a Farrell, and suddenly the problem is the Boks and they're destroying rugby. All he did was celebrate as hard as the English do for a reset scrum.

Solid

[Blake]

This certainly enables a prop to get a lot lower fhan his opponent.
I think Ben had already reset it and had possibly had enough of time wasting.
FB_IMG_1698027899964.jpg

Saffa prop knee to ground = reset.

Consistency is needed

Kitshoff was pinged earlier in the match for knee on the ground too.

[Blake]

Saffer lock lost his contact with Leinster over a similar "misunderstanding".

That’s a bit cryptic and a Google hasn’t pointed me in the right direction. Care to furnish me with some context? I obviously missed some news.

[assfly]

I must admit, I'm not going to miss seeing Ben Earl's celebrations anymore. Good player, but fuck me that used to piss me off.

[Calculon]

Saffer lock lost his contact with Leinster over a similar "misunderstanding".

That’s a bit cryptic and a Google hasn’t pointed me in the right direction. Care to furnish me with some context? I obviously missed some news.

don't bother, it's an incident from 2011 that has absolutely no relevance to this one

[OomStruisbaai]

Saffer lock lost his contact with Leinster over a similar "misunderstanding".

That’s a bit cryptic and a Google hasn’t pointed me in the right direction. Care to furnish me with some context? I obviously missed some news.

don't bother, it's an incident from 2011 that has absolutely no relevance to this one

Who was the player?

[Slick]

Fuck me I love Willie "vir die Strand" Le Roux, serious tappit energy.

Bizarre that English players go the whole match celebrating tiny things that go their way as if they've won the match, clearly gamesmanship and trying to get into the head of the opponent. They do it every match. Then there's an issue when Le Roux does it, when err the match is actually won.

Similar to Dallaglio blaming the ref and no one pulling him up on it. Just like when Dupont moaned about the reffing and no one pulled him up on it. Suddenly you are allowed to criticise the ref.

It's hilarious that Le Roux ran up to the English post match and did a Farrell, and suddenly the problem is the Boks and they're destroying rugby. All he did was celebrate as hard as the English do for a reset scrum.

Odd that you've identified the main point whilst totally missing it, all in one sentence.

Your kant has been doing it for years and years, now it's suddenly bad when our kant does it?

It is the main innovation of Farrell era England. Something England led the world in. Celebrating every knock, every scrum reset, every tackle, every collapsed maul. All the time in the face of the opponent like England had actually won the match. All to try and get a small edge. No one ever stopped England doing it, so they just kept doing it every match, never any comment. NFL behaviour, English soccer behaviour.

The Boks have merely taken something England does which works, incorporated it, improved on it, and taken it to the next level. Do it even after the game as the actual match winning celebration.

It's hilarious.

It's completely different and you know it.

A bit of shithousery during the game has been part of rugby forever, but carrying on after the final whistle has been taboo and part of what makes the sport what it is. That Saffers can't bring themselves to admit that is yet another in a long line of them undermining the whole sport in pursuit of their win at all costs, chip on the shoulder, thin skinned mentality.

A bit of moaning about the ref slips into the game and SA "improve and take it to the next level" by making an hour long video and ruining a refs career before enabling death threats to other refs.

That's before we even get into the latest stuff around abusing HIA protocols which hasn't blown up even bigger because no one wants to believe that a team would do that.

They are a scourge on the game and the sooner the current management move on and we get the old Boks back, the better.

[JM2K6]

Also England have been copping loads of flak for their in game over celebrating of small victories, Dallaglio had huge amounts of pushback, and le Roux is a cunt who deserved to get ktfo for taunting players at the end there.

[_Os_]

It's completely different and you know it.

A bit of shithousery during the game has been part of rugby forever, but carrying on after the final whistle has been taboo and part of what makes the sport what it is. That Saffers can't bring themselves to admit that is yet another in a long line of them undermining the whole sport in pursuit of their win at all costs, chip on the shoulder, thin skinned mentality.

A bit of moaning about the ref slips into the game and SA "improve and take it to the next level" by making an hour long video and ruining a refs career before enabling death threats to other refs.

That's before we even get into the latest stuff around abusing HIA protocols which hasn't blown up even bigger because no one wants to believe that a team would do that.

They are a scourge on the game and the sooner the current management move on and we get the old Boks back, the better.

Firstly there is no HIA abuse, a guy that was involved in the process has even gone on social media to say "there is no abuse of the process".

Secondly, you don't know your rugby. Who do you think my post was really targeted at? Who do the Boks play next? All this crying about "undermining the whole sport" is ridiculous, stop the pompous self righteousness. You're no better than us.

When Kiwis get a big win at the death their method of celebration has been known to be turning to the oppo fans and giving them the bras d'honneur, the ol' "fuck you" and the double middle finger. The actions of Merthens and King Carlos were celebrated, because they're fucking hilarious (check the comments on the Merthens vid). For years a Kiwi poster had the Merthens double middle finger as his avatar.

This is your team for the weekend I believe?