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Fat Old Git wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:13 pm National has gone through a similar upheaval to what Labour went through before the last election. But instead of getting rid of some baggage and ending up with someone a bit new and fresh, they've brought back their baggage and put it in charge.
That a good summation of where they have ended up. :thumbup:
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Ted. wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:07 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:13 pm National has gone through a similar upheaval to what Labour went through before the last election. But instead of getting rid of some baggage and ending up with someone a bit new and fresh, they've brought back their baggage and put it in charge.
That a good summation of where they have ended up. :thumbup:
In reality they are just trying to damage Labour while they wait for their Great White Hype.
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Enzedder wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:16 am Jaysus - this smells rank

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... estigation
No register of Family Trusts? At all?? Fuck me... no wonder NZ produces so many rip off merchants and con men. The environment is ripe for it... and everyone sees the assistance as a handout and accepts it gleefully.
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Shanky’s mate wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:28 am
Enzedder wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:16 am Jaysus - this smells rank

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... estigation
No register of Family Trusts? At all?? Fuck me... no wonder NZ produces so many rip off merchants and con men. The environment is ripe for it... and everyone sees the assistance as a handout and accepts it gleefully.
It's the same as here in Oz

Family Trusts are dodgy - for every legitimate one, 100 are tax dodges
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Shanky’s mate wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:28 am
Enzedder wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:16 am Jaysus - this smells rank

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... estigation
No register of Family Trusts? At all?? Fuck me... no wonder NZ produces so many rip off merchants and con men. The environment is ripe for it... and everyone sees the assistance as a handout and accepts it gleefully.
The John Key legacy - and I doubt Winnie would let them touch trusts either.

Time's up!!!
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Enzedder wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:04 am
Shanky’s mate wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:28 am
Enzedder wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:16 am Jaysus - this smells rank

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... estigation
No register of Family Trusts? At all?? Fuck me... no wonder NZ produces so many rip off merchants and con men. The environment is ripe for it... and everyone sees the assistance as a handout and accepts it gleefully.
The John Key legacy - and I doubt Winnie would let them touch trusts either.

Time's up!!!
Was there a register of Family Trusts before the John Key years? I am surprised there isn’t now, it’s one of the things like the Companies Register that I assumed would go without saying.
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No - but if you recall there was a huge call for one when the money laundering scandal hit in his second term. His response was "Look, I don't see it as a problem" that he used whenever he protected his mates.
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Enzedder wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:30 am No - but if you recall there was a huge call for one when the money laundering scandal hit in his second term. His response was "Look, I don't see it as a problem" that he used whenever he protected his mates.
I have no memory of that but thinking back, I became a first time dad in their second term so a lot of that time was a sleepless blur.
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Who would want to be in the inept Paul Goldsmith's shoes?


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"I'll give you a fiscal hole alright, Pauly!"
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Her face😂😂😂😂
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The eyebrows aren't raised so she's not joking.
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Shanky’s mate wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:05 pm Her face😂😂😂😂
A face like a puckered ...
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Jb1981 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:43 am
Shanky’s mate wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:05 pm Her face😂😂😂😂
A face like a puckered ...
It’s the absolute epitome of a face like a smacked arse.
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Shanky’s mate wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:48 am
Jb1981 wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:43 am
Shanky’s mate wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:05 pm Her face😂😂😂😂
A face like a puckered ...
It’s the absolute epitome of a face like a smacked arse.
A veritable bulldog licking piss off a thistle
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Ted. wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:02 pm Who would want to be in the inept Paul Goldsmith's shoes?


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"I'll give you a fiscal hole alright, Pauly!"
The old baggage has a mean right arm...
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Voted tonight. The scan and upload system was very user-friendly.

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Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:03 am Voted tonight. The scan and upload system was very user-friendly.

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I hope you voted wisely.
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Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:03 am Voted tonight. The scan and upload system was very user-friendly.

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How long have you been out of NZ and when do you think you will next be living here?
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Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:11 am
Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:03 am Voted tonight. The scan and upload system was very user-friendly.

:thumbup:
How long have you been out of NZ and when do you think you will next be living here?
I have never met Jimmy Smallsteps before*, but I'd guess he last lived here permanently about 16 years ago but will be living here from early next year.

* - that is a lie.
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Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:22 am
Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:11 am
Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:03 am Voted tonight. The scan and upload system was very user-friendly.

:thumbup:
How long have you been out of NZ and when do you think you will next be living here?
I have never met Jimmy Smallsteps before*, but I'd guess he last lived here permanently about 16 years ago but will be living here from early next year.

* - that is a lie.
I do find it interesting with the overseas vote, firstly there are so many variables, and because of that I now realise it’s a non issue, but when I first thought about it, I thought how dare these people, who haven’t lived here for 10 years and have no intention of returning anytime soon, have a say in who does or doesn’t get to govern in a country they have no direct influence in... but then I thought, well their parents, or kids even, live there etc and I get it :crazy:
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I think citizens should always have a vote in their country of citizenship.
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booji boy wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:00 am I think citizens should always have a vote in their country of citizenship.
On reflection I agree, just asked the wife( Pom) if she was able to vote and she had no idea, but is convinced she can’t
I know for a fact I can’t vote in a Zimbabwean election, not that it would make a bit of difference
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Come to think of it I'm not sure if my Aussie wife gets a vote in Australia.

She's not a NZ citizen but certainly votes in the NZ election as a permanent resident.
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Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:56 am
Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:22 am
Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:11 am

How long have you been out of NZ and when do you think you will next be living here?
I have never met Jimmy Smallsteps before*, but I'd guess he last lived here permanently about 16 years ago but will be living here from early next year.

* - that is a lie.
I do find it interesting with the overseas vote, firstly there are so many variables, and because of that I now realise it’s a non issue, but when I first thought about it, I thought how dare these people, who haven’t lived here for 10 years and have no intention of returning anytime soon, have a say in who does or doesn’t get to govern in a country they have no direct influence in... but then I thought, well their parents, or kids even, live there etc and I get it :crazy:
I'm glad you do get it now, because I am very much invested in who is in power when I return to NZ next year.

For those who don't, take it up with the authorities. As the rules currently stand, you have to be a citizen and have visited NZ in the past three years.
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Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:15 pm
Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:56 am
Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:22 am

I have never met Jimmy Smallsteps before*, but I'd guess he last lived here permanently about 16 years ago but will be living here from early next year.

* - that is a lie.
I do find it interesting with the overseas vote, firstly there are so many variables, and because of that I now realise it’s a non issue, but when I first thought about it, I thought how dare these people, who haven’t lived here for 10 years and have no intention of returning anytime soon, have a say in who does or doesn’t get to govern in a country they have no direct influence in... but then I thought, well their parents, or kids even, live there etc and I get it :crazy:
I'm glad you do get it now, because I am very much invested in who is in power when I return to NZ next year.

For those who don't, take it up with the authorities. As the rules currently stand, you have to be a citizen and have visited NZ in the past three years.
The brain drain continues.
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Muttonbird wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:43 am
Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:15 pm
Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:56 am

I do find it interesting with the overseas vote, firstly there are so many variables, and because of that I now realise it’s a non issue, but when I first thought about it, I thought how dare these people, who haven’t lived here for 10 years and have no intention of returning anytime soon, have a say in who does or doesn’t get to govern in a country they have no direct influence in... but then I thought, well their parents, or kids even, live there etc and I get it :crazy:
I'm glad you do get it now, because I am very much invested in who is in power when I return to NZ next year.

For those who don't, take it up with the authorities. As the rules currently stand, you have to be a citizen and have visited NZ in the past three years.
The brain drain continues.
Someone has to be back to fix all the things you get wrong.
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Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:56 am
Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:22 am
Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:11 am

How long have you been out of NZ and when do you think you will next be living here?
I have never met Jimmy Smallsteps before*, but I'd guess he last lived here permanently about 16 years ago but will be living here from early next year.

* - that is a lie.
I do find it interesting with the overseas vote, firstly there are so many variables, and because of that I now realise it’s a non issue, but when I first thought about it, I thought how dare these people, who haven’t lived here for 10 years and have no intention of returning anytime soon, have a say in who does or doesn’t get to govern in a country they have no direct influence in... but then I thought, well their parents, or kids even, live there etc and I get it :crazy:
I wasn't going to vote in this election, and I know you've walked back you post, but reading about an immigrant we've gracefully let into our country whining about NZers living overseas voting has inspired me to actually register to vote this year.

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Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:56 am
Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:22 am
Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:11 am

How long have you been out of NZ and when do you think you will next be living here?
I have never met Jimmy Smallsteps before*, but I'd guess he last lived here permanently about 16 years ago but will be living here from early next year.

* - that is a lie.
I do find it interesting with the overseas vote, firstly there are so many variables, and because of that I now realise it’s a non issue, but when I first thought about it, I thought how dare these people, who haven’t lived here for 10 years and have no intention of returning anytime soon, have a say in who does or doesn’t get to govern in a country they have no direct influence in... but then I thought, well their parents, or kids even, live there etc and I get it :crazy:
I have not lived in NZ since 1982 and have not voted since then because I was never in NZ for long enough in the lead up to any election but this time I am eligible. The NZ govt home page is brilliant, making it very easy to register and download the ballot papers. I have now uploaded my completed ballots and am feeling very good that I have had my say in determining the state of the country in which my kids and grandchildren live. On top of that, I will probably end up living in NZ.
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Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:03 am Voted tonight. The scan and upload system was very user-friendly.

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:thumbup: :thumbup: to the NZ govt online voting system.
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Wife and I are voting this week. :lol:

We just make the 3 year cut-off.
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Is that Crusher? Portraying herself as a religious loon is going to lose her more votes than she'll gain, Shirley?
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Kiwias wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:06 am
Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:56 am
Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:22 am

I have never met Jimmy Smallsteps before*, but I'd guess he last lived here permanently about 16 years ago but will be living here from early next year.

* - that is a lie.
I do find it interesting with the overseas vote, firstly there are so many variables, and because of that I now realise it’s a non issue, but when I first thought about it, I thought how dare these people, who haven’t lived here for 10 years and have no intention of returning anytime soon, have a say in who does or doesn’t get to govern in a country they have no direct influence in... but then I thought, well their parents, or kids even, live there etc and I get it :crazy:
I have not lived in NZ since 1982 and have not voted since then because I was never in NZ for long enough in the lead up to any election but this time I am eligible. The NZ govt home page is brilliant, making it very easy to register and download the ballot papers. I have now uploaded my completed ballots and am feeling very good that I have had my say in determining the state of the country in which my kids and grandchildren live. On top of that, I will probably end up living in NZ.
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UncleFB wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:18 pm
Jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:56 am
Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:22 am

I have never met Jimmy Smallsteps before*, but I'd guess he last lived here permanently about 16 years ago but will be living here from early next year.

* - that is a lie.
I do find it interesting with the overseas vote, firstly there are so many variables, and because of that I now realise it’s a non issue, but when I first thought about it, I thought how dare these people, who haven’t lived here for 10 years and have no intention of returning anytime soon, have a say in who does or doesn’t get to govern in a country they have no direct influence in... but then I thought, well their parents, or kids even, live there etc and I get it :crazy:
I wasn't going to vote in this election, and I know you've walked back you post, but reading about an immigrant we've gracefully let into our country whining about NZers living overseas voting has inspired me to actually register to vote this year.

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:thumbup: Good for you, I'm glad to have had an influence in your decision.
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I have got my voting out of the way. The hand sanitiser on a small scratch was the most painful part and not having brought a pen, getting to keep their one (a perk of Covid), was the unexpected bonus.
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Jb1981 wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:10 am I have got my voting out of the way. The hand sanitiser on a small scratch was the most painful part and not having brought a pen, getting to keep their one (a perk of Covid), was the unexpected bonus.
They're crap pens - mine went into the bin.
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Enzedder wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:20 pm
Jb1981 wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:10 am I have got my voting out of the way. The hand sanitiser on a small scratch was the most painful part and not having brought a pen, getting to keep their one (a perk of Covid), was the unexpected bonus.
They're crap pens - mine went into the bin.
Ditto, on reflection I should have taken my own, more sustainable
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Looking at Crushers comments over the last few days, I cannot help but think she is aiming her comments at the National Party faithful instead of the swing voter

Too easily rebutted when she goes with the bullshit (e.g. Labour will be forced to implement the wealth tax or the Greens will bring it in when she's on holiday with Shaw as deputy P.M.) and the fat-shaming post for old big-hips - WTAF?
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