The one and only UK 2024 election thread - July 4

[David in Gwent]

The intolerance of the left really never ceases to amaze me.

Hopefully the young woman will be arrested and prosecuted in line with the law and we won't see any further escalation.

...but I doubt it.

Keep up, she's already been arrested.

I presume you were wringing your hands similarly when non-lefties egged Milliband and Corbyn in the recent past?

Funnily enough, those incidents, like all other prior ones, whether they involved custard, eggs or milkshakes, didn't result in a wave of similar let alone an escalation. But let's not permit facts to get in the way of anything.

I hate Corbyn with a passion but he didn't deserve to be egged and I fully agreed with the 28 day sentence the perp got.

Again, the UK is a very different place to just 5 years ago.

[sockwithaticket]

I quite strongly disagree, it's a shit thing to do and we definitely shouldn't be encouraging it or taking it lightly.

Whether it's eggs, custard or milkshakes, just in my lifetime anyone from Blair to Corbyn has had something thrown on them yet it's not like any of those spearheaded a wave of similar. We get one every few years, that's it. It's silly to handwring over it imo. If there were any demonstrable path of escalation, either in volume or severity of incidents, then perhaps we should take it more seriously. In the absence of that there's no harm in shrugging it off and even cracking a smile if it happens to someone as repugnant nd divisive as Nige.

We live in more interesting times then when Blair or Mr Hamas were in the spotlight.

We've already seen two MPs needlessly murdered in the line of their work relatively recently.

Neither incident was precipitated by someone else throwing a drink or piece of food at a politician. Only by being deeply disingenuous as to the facts surrounding those cases could you draw any semblance of a link.

[David in Gwent]

Whether it's eggs, custard or milkshakes, just in my lifetime anyone from Blair to Corbyn has had something thrown on them yet it's not like any of those spearheaded a wave of similar. We get one every few years, that's it. It's silly to handwring over it imo. If there were any demonstrable path of escalation, either in volume or severity of incidents, then perhaps we should take it more seriously. In the absence of that there's no harm in shrugging it off and even cracking a smile if it happens to someone as repugnant nd divisive as Nige.

We live in more interesting times then when Blair or Mr Hamas were in the spotlight.

We've already seen two MPs needlessly murdered in the line of their work relatively recently.

Neither incident was precipitated by someone else throwing a drink or piece of food at a politician. Only by being deeply disingenuous as to the facts surrounding those cases could you draw any semblance of a link.

I'm saying we shouldn't throw things at our politicians despite how much you disagree with them. The chance for escalation is obvious, comparing this with Blair, 25 years ago, is also disingenuous.

You seem to think it's fine though.

[sockwithaticket]

The escalation is not obvious.

2 MPs being murdered is awful and massively concerning, but when the perpetrators are a conspiracy-theory obsessed white supremacist and an ISIS enthusiast any link between their actions and random members of the public very occasionally tossing food or drink at a politician comes across as tenuous at best.

Incidents involving food or drink from the last 20 years are relevant insofar as they demonstrate how incredibly rarely they occur and that not a one of them inspired a spate of similar or worse in anything like an immediate time frame. We're on about one every few years. Like I said in another post, the politicians have greater odds of being hit by a bus.

[David in Gwent]

The escalation is not obvious.

2 MPs being murdered is awful and massively concerning, but when the perpetrators are a conspiracy-theory obsessed white supremacist and an ISIS enthusiast any link between their actions and random members of the public very occasionally tossing food or drink at a politician comes across as tenuous at best.

Incidents involving food or drink from the last 20 years are relevant insofar as they demonstrate how incredibly rarely they occur and that not a one of them inspired a spate of similar or worse in anything like an immediate time frame. We're on about one every few years. Like I said in another post, the politicians have greater odds of being hit by a bus.

Just be honest and not disingenuous, you don't mind politicians being assaulted as long as you don't like them.

[inactionman]

The escalation is not obvious.

2 MPs being murdered is awful and massively concerning, but when the perpetrators are a conspiracy-theory obsessed white supremacist and an ISIS enthusiast any link between their actions and random members of the public very occasionally tossing food or drink at a politician comes across as tenuous at best.

Incidents involving food or drink from the last 20 years are relevant insofar as they demonstrate how incredibly rarely they occur and that not a one of them inspired a spate of similar or worse in anything like an immediate time frame. We're on about one every few years. Like I said in another post, the politicians have greater odds of being hit by a bus.

Just be honest and not disingenuous, you don't mind politicians being assaulted as long as you don't like them.

I really don't like the throwing of things at politicians, but I see an act intended to ridicule as very distinct to an act intended to harm.

You could argue they're on a continuum, I think it really is quite a hop on to go from eggs to fists. My main worry is the very act of ridiculing just alienates people of different opinion. That is simply not what parliament should be about, and I'd like to think I'd not have it in me to publically abuse anyone, no matter how much I detested their actions.

Mind you, the likes of Boris (lying and all-round incompetence and cynicism) Cleverley (needlessly antagonistic) Braverman (just a dreadful person) and Truss (god above, where to start) make it hard to always treat politicians with the respect the position should warrant.

[David in Gwent]

The escalation is not obvious.

2 MPs being murdered is awful and massively concerning, but when the perpetrators are a conspiracy-theory obsessed white supremacist and an ISIS enthusiast any link between their actions and random members of the public very occasionally tossing food or drink at a politician comes across as tenuous at best.

Incidents involving food or drink from the last 20 years are relevant insofar as they demonstrate how incredibly rarely they occur and that not a one of them inspired a spate of similar or worse in anything like an immediate time frame. We're on about one every few years. Like I said in another post, the politicians have greater odds of being hit by a bus.

Just be honest and not disingenuous, you don't mind politicians being assaulted as long as you don't like them.

I really don't like the throwing of things at politicians, but I see an act intended to ridicule as very distinct to an act intended to harm.

You could argue they're on a continuum, I think it really is quite a hop on to go from eggs to fists. My main worry is the very act of ridiculing just alienates people of different opinion. That is simply not what parliament should be about, and I'd like to think I'd not have it in me to publically abuse anyone, no matter how much I detested their actions.

Mind you, the likes of Boris (lying and all-round incompetence and cynicism) Cleverley (needlessly antagonistic) Braverman (just a dreadful person) and Truss (god above, where to start) make it hard to always treat politicians with the respect the position should warrant.

You're just a Pound Shop Owen Jones.

[inactionman]

Make an effort at least.

[Insane_Homer]

Faux outrage mixed with salty gammon snowflake tears, my favourite.

[sockwithaticket]

The escalation is not obvious.

2 MPs being murdered is awful and massively concerning, but when the perpetrators are a conspiracy-theory obsessed white supremacist and an ISIS enthusiast any link between their actions and random members of the public very occasionally tossing food or drink at a politician comes across as tenuous at best.

Incidents involving food or drink from the last 20 years are relevant insofar as they demonstrate how incredibly rarely they occur and that not a one of them inspired a spate of similar or worse in anything like an immediate time frame. We're on about one every few years. Like I said in another post, the politicians have greater odds of being hit by a bus.

Just be honest and not disingenuous, you don't mind politicians being assaulted as long as you don't like them.

Yes, petal. If that's what you need to believe, go right ahead.

[sefton]

The escalation is not obvious.

2 MPs being murdered is awful and massively concerning, but when the perpetrators are a conspiracy-theory obsessed white supremacist and an ISIS enthusiast any link between their actions and random members of the public very occasionally tossing food or drink at a politician comes across as tenuous at best.

Incidents involving food or drink from the last 20 years are relevant insofar as they demonstrate how incredibly rarely they occur and that not a one of them inspired a spate of similar or worse in anything like an immediate time frame. We're on about one every few years. Like I said in another post, the politicians have greater odds of being hit by a bus.

Just be honest and not disingenuous, you don't mind politicians being assaulted as long as you don't like them.

Says the MAGA fan.

[_Os_]

It's staged.

[_Os_]

I await your apology.

[Paddington Bear]

Don’t think it massively looks like Hewertson, and she’s intimating she’ll take people on for libel.

Doesn’t mean she’s not talking bollocks but think the rush to a conspiracy is never massively edifying

[Raggs]

Nah, it's not her. Daily mail have seemingly identified her, a Corbyn backing OF model, who's probably just got the best marketing she could have had.

[C69]

How many times will Sunak say "plan" and Starmer say "change"

[Paddington Bear]

Any idea how much Starmer is raising our taxes by?

[Slick]

I knew I shouldn’t have watched this…. I’m going to put my foot through the TV to kick Sunak in the face if he repeats himself again. Fucking hell

[_Os_]

Nah, it's not her. Daily mail have seemingly identified her, a Corbyn backing OF model, who's probably just got the best marketing she could have had.

Thanks for that. The photos of the woman the Mail have gone with are predictably more "she's not dressed for winter" than "this looks like her".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ening.html

[TB63]

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/17 ... 0fRiA&s=19

[Slick]

Is Starmer being a bit shit here?

[Paddington Bear]

Is Starmer being a bit shit here?

Yep. Two desperately poor candidates

[C69]

Is Starmer being a bit shit here?

Sunak is just a bit shouty

[sturginho]

Is Starmer being a bit shit here?

Neither have been any good, Sunak coming across as a spoiled child

[C69]

Tbh Sunak was allowed to say £2000 about 10 times not answering the question about tax raises.

[Slick]

Is Starmer being a bit shit here?

Yep. Two desperately poor candidates

Im constantly surprised by how poor Starmer is in these situations. Keep being told how intelligent and analytical he is but rarely really see it

[Slick]

Tbh Sunak was allowed to say £2000 about 10 times not answering the question about tax raises.

Yeah, I think the moderator is being a bit rubbish really.

Edit: then again, Starmer had 10 opportunities to say it was bollocks and only had one half hearted attempt. I sat here waiting for him to dispute it and he never really did

[sefton]

Is Starmer being a bit shit here?

Depressingly so. He’s allowing Sunak to set the agenda.

[Paddington Bear]

Is Starmer being a bit shit here?

Yep. Two desperately poor candidates

Im constantly surprised by how poor Starmer is in these situations. Keep being told how intelligent and analytical he is but rarely really see it

He’s a barrister and he can’t think on his feet in a debate!

I hope he wins because *gestures*, but I have no hopes at all for his government

[lemonhead]

Is Starmer being a bit shit here?

Yep. Two desperately poor candidates

Im constantly surprised by how poor Starmer is in these situations. Keep being told how intelligent and analytical he is but rarely really see it

What was that Dylan Moran quote again: nothing on earth can make you both bored and angry at the same time.

But yeah, breaker of terrorists Starmer is fkin rubbish. Our PM in waiting; a walking, talking esprit d'escalier.

[C69]

Is Starmer being a bit shit here?

Depressingly so. He’s allowing Sunak to set the agenda.

Both are awful but the interviewer is continually making Starmer answer Sunak's last question which is loaded

[Tichtheid]

I chose not to watch because it's not real. Whatever happens the Toryshitegraph will say the ex-banker/hedgefund guy or whatever he was won the debate and the Guardian will say otherwise, the public opinion on it will be decided by the reach of the media and who they support.

The one thing I'm sure of is that we can all look back on the last 14 years and it would take some sort of liar to say that it's been a positive time for the UK.

[C69]

If there was a winner and a loser then Sunak seems to be the winner.
But both are shit.

[Slick]

Is Starmer being a bit shit here?

Depressingly so. He’s allowing Sunak to set the agenda.

Both are awful but the interviewer is continually making Starmer answer Sunak's last question which is loaded

Exactly this

[Slick]

If there was a winner and a loser then Sunak seems to be the winner.
But both are shit.

Maybe, Starmer has been rubbish but Sunak has probably wound up most people watching

[I like neeps]

Yep. Two desperately poor candidates

Im constantly surprised by how poor Starmer is in these situations. Keep being told how intelligent and analytical he is but rarely really see it

He’s a barrister and he can’t think on his feet in a debate!

I hope he wins because *gestures*, but I have no hopes at all for his government

Being a Barrister means the debates you're involved in have both parties acting in good faith. Politics is sadly a game of flinging as much sh*t as you can around.

Starmer is going to be a bad PM, his policies where announced are either lies (GB Energy) or amount to essentially the status quo as public services collapse under the weight of multiple huge shocks. I'm sure he'll be less openly corrupt and the parties won't be so full of bad apples (hello, Natalie Elphicke) though which will be nice.

[Paddington Bear]

Im constantly surprised by how poor Starmer is in these situations. Keep being told how intelligent and analytical he is but rarely really see it

He’s a barrister and he can’t think on his feet in a debate!

I hope he wins because *gestures*, but I have no hopes at all for his government

Being a Barrister means the debates you're involved in have both parties acting in good faith.

[lemonhead]

I chose not to watch because it's not real. Whatever happens the Toryshitegraph will say the ex-banker/hedgefund guy or whatever he was won the debate and the Guardian will say otherwise, the public opinion on it will be decided by the reach of the media and who they support.

The one thing I'm sure of is that we can all look back on the last 14 years and it would take some sort of liar to say that it's been a positive time for the UK.

Grauniad to be fair is the only paper I can recall that switched allegiances over the last 20 years in endorsing the next government. Also currently calling the 'debate' for Sunak btw.

[Paddington Bear]

Dire stuff. Sunak is done, wonder how long it will take Labour to implode in government

[C69]

I chose not to watch because it's not real. Whatever happens the Toryshitegraph will say the ex-banker/hedgefund guy or whatever he was won the debate and the Guardian will say otherwise, the public opinion on it will be decided by the reach of the media and who they support.

The one thing I'm sure of is that we can all look back on the last 14 years and it would take some sort of liar to say that it's been a positive time for the UK.

Grauniad to be fair is the only paper I can recall that switched allegiances over the last 20 years in endorsing the next government. Also currently calling the 'debate' for Sunak btw.

It matters not a jot. Sunak was just making shit up and not being taken to task to he did it again and again fair play.
Starmer was too quiet, but it's very early days