Penny is going off on one already
The one and only UK 2024 election thread - July 4
Ahh.
The problem with someone like Flynn in a debate like this is that no one on the panel or audience or the moderator know fuck all about Scotland so he gets away with talking shite without being challenged
The problem with someone like Flynn in a debate like this is that no one on the panel or audience or the moderator know fuck all about Scotland so he gets away with talking shite without being challenged
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
I'm not sure there's been a "winner", but she has definitely been the loser of the evening, even her closing statement went wrong.
TBF, she looks absolutely stunning in real life but is, however, as mad as a bag of angry spiders
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
No thank feck, apart from the red banner on the Tory leaflet I think Labour are a shoe in here.
Doesn't seem that the Lib Dems are targeting.
Yeah he can say stuff like 'It's Scotlands energy' and not raise an eyebrow amongst London based progressive commentators or be challenged on the fact its privately owned built on the economics of selling to the GB grid.
Isn’t that just a demonstration of our politics and media not giving a shit about anything apart from the southeast of England?
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
Yes, I think it’s exactly that - he’s quite right to take advantage of that like Sturgeon did so well. It’s still frustrating
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
Deleted progressive. National/London media couldn't give shit outside of the south east.
I'm now not so sure his advisors weren't involved in this one at least. Still leaning towards it was Sunak though._Os_ wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 3:21 pm On Sunak and his advisors ...
This is an odd time to have an election. No one was picking 3rd quarter it was the longest odds at the bookies. The dates which made sense were the same day as the local election, or autumn. Not immediately after the local elections you were always going to do poorly in forcing all your activists out again after that defeat, during the Euros when England have a competitive team and you're behind in the polls and need media exposure.
Sunak is known to have overruled his advisors on the election date.
I think Sunak has rich man syndrome. Some rich people believe because they're rich they can do anything, they then discount what the experts they've bought are telling them. They end up going full Dunning Kruger and doing stupid stuff. It's particularly bad in politics because it seems to lack technical skill, if a mechanic gets it wrong the car doesn't start, things aren't normally as obvious with politics. But doing politics well requires a high degree of skill in a broad range of areas. Successful businessmen are often a fuck up when they decide to go into politics, not humble enough.
Of course Sunak was told "do not leave the D-Day event early". Any moron could tell him that, and the people he's hired aren't morons.
Sunak says here that it was organised months ago, before he called the election. He says this to make it clear it wasn't an ITV interview that made him leave, but rather it was always the intention to leave (odd defence, but that's what he clarifies, not ITV always the plan). But he also says he attended the British events for British veterans, which sounds a bit Brexity, "yes to the British, no to the French!".
These events are organised months in advance as Sunak says. Watt takes that a bit further, Cameron replacing Sunak would've had to be organised months in advance too. Sunak leaving was intentional and planned, and as Sunak says pre-dates the ITV interview. What is the motivation for this?
The motive which best fits is snubbing Macron. Backfired catastrophically, people watching on TV saw Cameron not Sunak and immediately said "where is that cunt Sunak!". The irony of Farage attacking Sunak for "not being a patriot" and "not having a connection to the country" and "not understanding the country" and every other way of saying he's not white without directly saying that ... is Sunak's mistake was listening to Farage, he was trying to show his patriotism by snubbing the French.
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sockwithaticket
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In some respects you have to marvel at Philp. He is quite willing to tell you that black is white and up is down in the sort of tone that suggests he can't believe you would think otherwise.
Absolutely shameless.
Absolutely shameless.
The Tory's strategy to be to keep lying about everything all the time, and when they get picked up on it, to just repeat their lies. Mark Harper (another brazen liar like Philp) was doing the rounds this morning making the £2K tax claim and refusing to accept that everyone knows its a lie.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 12:19 pm In some respects you have to marvel at Philp. He is quite willing to tell you that black is white and up is down in the sort of tone that suggests he can't believe you would think otherwise.
Absolutely shameless.
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sockwithaticket
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I wonder if perhaps they've thought of trying to come up with some policies that aren't shit 
Then they might not need to spend their whole time lying about the opposition.
Then they might not need to spend their whole time lying about the opposition.
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fishfoodie
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I need to find the graphic, it's excellentHe left them on the Beaches !
[Edit[ Found it !
Ex reform candidate standing as an independent: in Clacton:
https://www.tendringdc.gov.uk/news/cand ... l-election
3 way split on the right wingers, anything could happen
https://www.tendringdc.gov.uk/news/cand ... l-election
3 way split on the right wingers, anything could happen
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Actually 4 way with Tory, Ind, Reform & UKIPepwc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:49 pm Ex reform candidate standing as an independent: in Clacton:
https://www.tendringdc.gov.uk/news/cand ... l-election
3 way split on the right wingers, anything could happen
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Labour & the Lib Dems need to come to some Gentlemans Agreements around some of the Constituencies where there isn't a clear leader for tactically voting out the incumbent Tory, e.g. Liz Truss, or Badenoch.
Just have one party stop campaigning, or put on the other sides rosettes, & start knocking doors for them, & divide these few seats between the Parties.
Just have one party stop campaigning, or put on the other sides rosettes, & start knocking doors for them, & divide these few seats between the Parties.
I suspect this is already happening tbhfishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:54 pm Labour & the Lib Dems need to come to some Gentlemans Agreements around some of the Constituencies where there isn't a clear leader for tactically voting out the incumbent Tory, e.g. Liz Truss, or Badenoch.
Just have one party stop campaigning, or put on the other sides rosettes, & start knocking doors for them, & divide these few seats between the Parties.
The Times is on a free weekend, this article is worth reading:
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/ar ... -6rlvt8nr6
To me in reads like Sunak was mostly to blame and there were advisors telling him to do the whole thing. One advisor was a literal former PM, why get a former PM onboard to tell you how to be a PM, then ignore his advice? Answer: So rich he thinks he's the expert on everything.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/ar ... -6rlvt8nr6
To me in reads like Sunak was mostly to blame and there were advisors telling him to do the whole thing. One advisor was a literal former PM, why get a former PM onboard to tell you how to be a PM, then ignore his advice? Answer: So rich he thinks he's the expert on everything.
Also, the Tories aren't contesting on social media because they've run out of money ...However, civil servants are clear that it was a political decision to cut things short. One of Cameron’s closest allies also let it be known that they had advised Sunak to “do” the full schedule.
Another ally pointed out that in his 2014 party conference speech as leader, Cameron talked about how the then 70th anniversary of D-Day had been “the best moment of my year”, and that when he was prepping for the speech he told aides: “There’s a risk I may start crying here, because it gets me so emotional.”
A Whitehall source said Cameron was “apoplectic” about Sunak’s decision but, when asked why he had not “picked Sunak up by his lapels”, he said: “There is only so much I can do.”
There was also fury at Buckingham Palace, where courtiers pointed out that the King, who is being treated for cancer, was advised not to travel but was determined to do so, despite being in pain.
While the Tories are this weekend engaged in a circular firing squad to identify who to blame, the truth is, as one insider put it, everyone’s hands are covered in blood. The issue of what to do was debated in the three-day look-ahead meeting in Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) at 1pm on Monday at which all Sunak’s key aides were present, including Isaac Levido, his campaign director, Liam Booth-Smith, the Downing Street chief of staff, and James Forsyth, his political secretary.
Sunak, who is due to see most of the same world leaders at the G7 summit in Italy this week, was keen to get home and carry on with the campaign.
The decision to stick to the plan was then confirmed in a 6.30am daily campaign meeting on Thursday. It is untrue that Sunak raced home to do the ITV event. The interview was slotted in because he was already coming back for a 6pm meeting on Thursday to sign off the Conservative election manifesto.
While the Tories were dropping the ball, Labour’s foreign affairs team was playing a blinder. David Lammy, the shadow foreign secretary, has spent months developing relations with the Macron administration, tweeting in French and writing essays for intellectual Parisian magazines. He became aware of diplomatic rumblings that the Élysée Palace was upset by Sunak’s decision to avoid the French-led part of the commemoration.
A diplomatic source, summarising the French view, said: “Doesn’t Sunak realise there is a war on and that Zelensky was attending? President Macron was going to use the occasion to make announcements about support for Ukraine. The idea of skipping something ceremonial like this is so alien to French culture.”
Neither Lammy nor Starmer was originally invited to the international event. But Lammy used his contacts to get them both admitted and his connections with Zelensky’s team to ensure there would be a Starmer handshake and photograph with the Ukrainian president.
The French then played a double diplomatic game. One of Macron’s aides contacted Labour to say how pleased they were by the Macron-Starmer meeting, saying the French president “really liked” the Labour leader and was “fascinated by men like him who can suddenly achieve stunning results” . Another called a member of Sunak’s team to commiserate, telling them: “This is all completely confected nonsense. How can we help?”
However, the decision for the prime minister to abandon the D-Day commemoration, after the Tories made security and national service cornerstones of their campaign, left MPs incredulous. Cabinet ministers responded with impotent rage, criticising Sunak’s political judgment and appetite for the job. The prime minister has repeatedly complained privately that foreign affairs take up too much of his time and he has little interest in the ceremonial aspects of his job.
A Tory who is no fan of Boris Johnson said: “There is absolutely no way that if you presented this to Boris or indeed to Theresa [May], telling them it was a waste of time, that they would not have overruled that advice. This is the worst operation I have ever seen. From the prime minister down there is a combination of arrogance and sheer incompetence.”
There are other problems, too. On Friday it was announced that the Conservatives were suspending social media campaigning. “There is no money,” a senior source said. Tory grandees have been asked to help with fundraising but are struggling. Morale is also at rock bottom. CCHQ was said to be largely deserted on Friday, with senior aides laid low with illness. Half of Tory ministerial aides have refused to join the campaign despite being ordered to do so.
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fishfoodie
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All these high price, & supposedly High IQ advisors, & none of them suggested that maybe he could stay in France, & the ITV Interviewer could do the interview there, with an ITV camera crew already there, & he could do the manifesto review on the flight back later ?
I mean how.fucking.hard is it ?
There was a conscious decision to snub the French & Germans, for a potential fraction of a percentage gain with the frothing loons.
The point about the King is well made too; the poor bar steward is suffering thru chemo etc, & still working full days, & the pint sized prick can't work till lunch.
I mean how.fucking.hard is it ?
There was a conscious decision to snub the French & Germans, for a potential fraction of a percentage gain with the frothing loons.
The point about the King is well made too; the poor bar steward is suffering thru chemo etc, & still working full days, & the pint sized prick can't work till lunch.
I was told he’s had a breakdown about the DDay stuff and is standing down tomorrow or Monday.
Told this by someone I know who said he was told by a friend who works at CCHQ. Could be bullshit.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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fishfoodie
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Well I wouldn't be surprised if the polling in his own constituency says the last couple of days means he won't get re-elected himself; & he doesn't strike me as someone with the bottle to fight on regardless, & just do his duty to his Party.