The one and only UK 2024 election thread - July 4

[epwc]

This generation of young men under attack somehow? That's laughable. Women still earn less, get less promotions, are subject to more sexual abuse, physical attacks and even murder.

[salanya]

I don't want to write too long a post, but a summary response:

1) I think there should be more done to encourage ambition and aspiration in young men. Doing more for girls is right, but there should be consideration for boys too. However, they should also learn that things aren't easy: just like women (and slightly less so by evidence) you do have to work for things you aspire to, they aren't given (for most of us)

2) this society is not 'female coded'. Just because things aren't quite as tricky as they used to be, and women can speak out a bit more, doesn't mean the glass ceiling is broken.
Sorry that you're struggling to negotiate things in your workplace, but every situation and workplace has its challenges for everyone. But most of society is still more challenging for women, even just by fact of biology. That doesn't deny challenges for (young) men, but let's start a healthy discussion around that, instead of a pity party.

[Fonz]

You really are doing the Lord’s work, Paddington Bear, in sincerely engaging on this. I spent many an hour in The Old Place similarly constructing “reporting from the front lines” effortposts trying to delicately explain my first hand experiences relating to controversial (well, in these circles anyway) topics before coming to the cynical conclusion that it was a waste of time and that people are largely not open to even re-examining such opinions, never mind changing them.

It will come as no surprise that despite being across the pond and, as far as I can tell, in a totally unrelated profession, my experiences are essentially the same as yours and Sock’s.

Every out of touch old man—and make no mistake, gents, that’s what you are—who refuses to seriously entertain what you (or we) are saying should be forced to write this sentence on a chalkboard 1,000 times like Bart Simpson serving out his detention:

Basically I think that a lot of people who are passionate about equity (using it as a catch all category here) see themselves as insurgents taking on a stuffy reactionary establishment. To the kids, these people *are* the establishment.

This is really the essential misunderstanding of these people. It’s not the fucking 1950s anymore, you’re tilting at windmills helmed by men who have been in the dirt for decades. There was one moron on the other forum who used to go on about how he couldn’t wait for boomers to die off so that we could usher in some progressive Age of Aquarius, not realizing that he’s talking about the generation that practically gave us everything that eventually morphed into what is now termed “woke.” As you say, that is the establishment.

It’s hilarious to see people in here, who surely fancy themselves compassionate champions of the disadvantaged, suddenly discover their inner Ronald Reagan as they implore young men to “stop yer cryin!”, seemingly not realizing that they literally just proved their point that no one cares about them. I would probably be able to hear the screeching across the Atlantic if someone tried that line on one of the Officially-Approved Groups to Feel Sorry For.

[epwc]

I see lots of young disaffected males, I don't know what the answer is, but it's certainly not been caused by the empowerment of women.

And I don't need you or Paddington to tell me they don't give a shit about what I say.

FFS Donald Trump has bragged about being able to just grab a women by the pussy, the world does not need to redress the balance in favour of men, men need to grow a set of balls and understand that women are their equals not pieces of meat. Look at Stuart Hogg, I honestly don't know what happened in his life but don't pin it on the marginalisation of men!

It does irk me that there's a thread on here called Booty Booty Booty, very welcoming for any potential female posters.

[dpedin]

I see lots of young disaffected males, I don't know what the answer is, but it's certainly not been caused by the empowerment of women.

And I don't need you or Paddington to tell me they don't give a shit about what I say.

FFS Donald Trump has bragged about being able to just grab a women by the pussy, the world does not need to redress the balance in favour of men, men need to grow a set of balls and understand that women are their equals not pieces of meat. Look at Stuart Hogg, I honestly don't know what happened in his life but don't pin it on the marginalisation of men!

It does irk me that there's a thread on here called Booty Booty Booty, very welcoming for any potential female posters.

This! It's not like we were starting at a level playing field when attempts of equality across the sexes were and continue to be introduced. The odds are still heavily stacked in mens favor in society as a whole and moaning about these attempts to redress the balance are both pathetic and infantile. Men still dominate at the top ends of the vast majority of the jobs, professions and in public life. Women are still vulnerable to sexual abuse and assault for more often than the other way around. Many women live in fear due to domestic abuse and sexual assault. Women still suffer at work when discriminated against whist trying to raise families, etc. To deny any of this is just plain nonsense.

Some of the nonsense inferring women have caused 'increasing importance of coursework over exams' or 'reduced tolerance for ‘boys will be boys’ stuff on the playground' or work demanding you 'colour code my work but you couldn't because it fries my brain and that I’d rather just see the numbers' is just unbelievably pathetic! Blaming women because men aren't 'allowed to play regular team sport' or 'post match social antics are in real trouble now' is plainly nonsense! I suspect there are lots of reasons why men dont participate in team sports rather than their partners doesnt allow them. Similarly some of the 'antics' on display post match have been got rid because they were bullying and demeaning and excluded many men from team sports. My son was a really good rugby player but refused to play in his Uni team because he wouldn't drink a pint of sick as part of the team initiation 'antics' he saw as puerile and demeaning! Paddington seems a pretty insecure individual if he is afraid of a society where men and women are treated equally.

The issue of disaffected young men shouldn't be confused with the need to have equality between men and women. Blaming the feminisation of the workplace, too many women in the office to raise a cricket team or women stopping men play sports or behave badly is just banal nonsense! There are bigger more important issues that need to be explored to explain why young men in society feel disaffected and isolated but to try and explain it away by blaming women, directly or indirectly, is at best ironic and at worst misogynistic.

[Biffer]

Different election, but the exit polls in France suggest Marine le Pen’s hard right National Rally has come third, behind the left and centre parties. Good news to see another country standing against the extremists.

[lemonhead]

Different election, but the exit polls in France suggest Marine le Pen’s hard right National Rally has come third, behind the left and centre parties. Good news to see another country standing against the extremists.

If so....F'raaaance, Fck yeah

[Paddington Bear]

I see lots of young disaffected males, I don't know what the answer is, but it's certainly not been caused by the empowerment of women.

And I don't need you or Paddington to tell me they don't give a shit about what I say.

FFS Donald Trump has bragged about being able to just grab a women by the pussy, the world does not need to redress the balance in favour of men, men need to grow a set of balls and understand that women are their equals not pieces of meat. Look at Stuart Hogg, I honestly don't know what happened in his life but don't pin it on the marginalisation of men!

It does irk me that there's a thread on here called Booty Booty Booty, very welcoming for any potential female posters.

This! It's not like we were starting at a level playing field when attempts of equality across the sexes were and continue to be introduced. The odds are still heavily stacked in mens favor in society as a whole and moaning about these attempts to redress the balance are both pathetic and infantile. Men still dominate at the top ends of the vast majority of the jobs, professions and in public life. Women are still vulnerable to sexual abuse and assault for more often than the other way around. Many women live in fear due to domestic abuse and sexual assault. Women still suffer at work when discriminated against whist trying to raise families, etc. To deny any of this is just plain nonsense.

Some of the nonsense inferring women have caused 'increasing importance of coursework over exams' or 'reduced tolerance for ‘boys will be boys’ stuff on the playground' or work demanding you 'colour code my work but you couldn't because it fries my brain and that I’d rather just see the numbers' is just unbelievably pathetic! Blaming women because men aren't 'allowed to play regular team sport' or 'post match social antics are in real trouble now' is plainly nonsense! I suspect there are lots of reasons why men dont participate in team sports rather than their partners doesnt allow them. Similarly some of the 'antics' on display post match have been got rid because they were bullying and demeaning and excluded many men from team sports. My son was a really good rugby player but refused to play in his Uni team because he wouldn't drink a pint of sick as part of the team initiation 'antics' he saw as puerile and demeaning! Paddington seems a pretty insecure individual if he is afraid of a society where men and women are treated equally.

The issue of disaffected young men shouldn't be confused with the need to have equality between men and women. Blaming the feminisation of the workplace, too many women in the office to raise a cricket team or women stopping men play sports or behave badly is just banal nonsense! There are bigger more important issues that need to be explored to explain why young men in society feel disaffected and isolated but to try and explain it away by blaming women, directly or indirectly, is at best ironic and at worst misogynistic.

You’ve completely and deliberately misinterpreted my post, I’ve tried to engage on something that’s quite complex not least because different generations within the same workplaces are having very different experiences, and what is happening at the bottom goes against the priors of pretty much all of us. So I don’t think there’s much point engaging beyond adding a ‘fuck you’.

And we easily raise teams at my cricket club. I referenced rugby clubs, which I suppose is indicative of your comprehension skills.

You can think what I’m saying is total nonsense and that’s fine. What I would say as a last element is one of the aims of this place was to move above the purile posts from PR. Referring to me as a ‘pretty insecure individual’ when accompanied with the rest of your post is to me well below the standards of this bored, and is the kind of thing you absolutely would not say to my face if we treat this as a virtual pub.

[dpedin]

I see lots of young disaffected males, I don't know what the answer is, but it's certainly not been caused by the empowerment of women.

And I don't need you or Paddington to tell me they don't give a shit about what I say.

FFS Donald Trump has bragged about being able to just grab a women by the pussy, the world does not need to redress the balance in favour of men, men need to grow a set of balls and understand that women are their equals not pieces of meat. Look at Stuart Hogg, I honestly don't know what happened in his life but don't pin it on the marginalisation of men!

It does irk me that there's a thread on here called Booty Booty Booty, very welcoming for any potential female posters.

This! It's not like we were starting at a level playing field when attempts of equality across the sexes were and continue to be introduced. The odds are still heavily stacked in mens favor in society as a whole and moaning about these attempts to redress the balance are both pathetic and infantile. Men still dominate at the top ends of the vast majority of the jobs, professions and in public life. Women are still vulnerable to sexual abuse and assault for more often than the other way around. Many women live in fear due to domestic abuse and sexual assault. Women still suffer at work when discriminated against whist trying to raise families, etc. To deny any of this is just plain nonsense.

Some of the nonsense inferring women have caused 'increasing importance of coursework over exams' or 'reduced tolerance for ‘boys will be boys’ stuff on the playground' or work demanding you 'colour code my work but you couldn't because it fries my brain and that I’d rather just see the numbers' is just unbelievably pathetic! Blaming women because men aren't 'allowed to play regular team sport' or 'post match social antics are in real trouble now' is plainly nonsense! I suspect there are lots of reasons why men dont participate in team sports rather than their partners doesnt allow them. Similarly some of the 'antics' on display post match have been got rid because they were bullying and demeaning and excluded many men from team sports. My son was a really good rugby player but refused to play in his Uni team because he wouldn't drink a pint of sick as part of the team initiation 'antics' he saw as puerile and demeaning! Paddington seems a pretty insecure individual if he is afraid of a society where men and women are treated equally.

The issue of disaffected young men shouldn't be confused with the need to have equality between men and women. Blaming the feminisation of the workplace, too many women in the office to raise a cricket team or women stopping men play sports or behave badly is just banal nonsense! There are bigger more important issues that need to be explored to explain why young men in society feel disaffected and isolated but to try and explain it away by blaming women, directly or indirectly, is at best ironic and at worst misogynistic.

You’ve completely and deliberately misinterpreted my post, I’ve tried to engage on something that’s quite complex not least because different generations within the same workplaces are having very different experiences, and what is happening at the bottom goes against the priors of pretty much all of us. So I don’t think there’s much point engaging beyond adding a ‘fuck you’.

And we easily raise teams at my cricket club. I referenced rugby clubs, which I suppose is indicative of your comprehension skills.

You can think what I’m saying is total nonsense and that’s fine. What I would say as a last element is one of the aims of this place was to move above the purile posts from PR. Referring to me as a ‘pretty insecure individual’ when accompanied with the rest of your post is to me well below the standards of this bored, and is the kind of thing you absolutely would not say to my face if we treat this as a virtual pub.

'We struggled to raise an 8 for a corporate cricket tournament but sell out any event that requires dressing up etc.'

This is what you said - nowt wrong with my reading let alone comprehension skills?

I reserve the right to call out nonsense, and yes I would say it to your face if required, if you don't like it tough! I have a fundamental problem with your thesis that women, or as you called it female coded society, are in any way the root cause of any of the issues you raised as 'examples' of why young men are feeling disillusioned or disempowered in the workplace or in the wider society. It is plain nonsense and perhaps a lazy 'find someone to blame' approach. As I said in my post there are perhaps other more serious issues in society that are worth exploring to see if or how they contribute to this issue but please don't ever attempt to suggest it is because women are becoming a bit more equal or even, god forbid, outnumbering the men in the office and wanting what they want! My take from your post is that if you find the issues you mentioned as examples of a female coded society then I suggest you thank god you weren't born a women into our male coded society, I'm not sure how you would cope!

[Camroc2]

Salanya has asked a good question which I will attempt to answer properly on another day.

On your point. Taking my profession, as a high level view it is basically 50/50 male-female, with men earning significantly more and occupying management positions. At my junior level? It is 80/20 female-male. If you take the high level stat the profession is a disgrace, if you live it on the ground the reality is very very different. Young men who like reform/Tate live on the ground. Reality is very different to what it was a few decades ago.

Disclaimer - I am very very much OK with my profession’s gender balance. It’s a thing rather than a bad thing if that makes any sense.

Was just about to make that point. Among the younger adults we're really starting to see the impact of a relatively long term trend in growing attainment differentials between male and female pupils, which then manifests in a widening gender imbalance for university attendance. Graduates on average do still outearn non-graduates, so we're getting more and more young men who feel like they're at the bottom of the heap and that no one's interested in helping them not be.

I assume the UK is the same as Ireland, & girls do considerably better than boys in their A-Levels ?

Ireland always had separate education for the sexes @ 2nd level education, & over the last couple of decades has gradually stopped this, & while this has been good for the girls, as they now have access to more subject choices, & have maintained their exam performance lead, it's been a disaster for the boys who've dropped further behind, as they did much better in a single sex environment without the distract of the opposite sex in the classroom.

Except in the "hard" stem subjects, in science and engineering (not so much medicine), where boys still dominate - esp in engineering.

[petej]

I see lots of young disaffected males, I don't know what the answer is, but it's certainly not been caused by the empowerment of women.

And I don't need you or Paddington to tell me they don't give a shit about what I say.

FFS Donald Trump has bragged about being able to just grab a women by the pussy, the world does not need to redress the balance in favour of men, men need to grow a set of balls and understand that women are their equals not pieces of meat. Look at Stuart Hogg, I honestly don't know what happened in his life but don't pin it on the marginalisation of men!

It does irk me that there's a thread on here called Booty Booty Booty, very welcoming for any potential female posters.

This! It's not like we were starting at a level playing field when attempts of equality across the sexes were and continue to be introduced. The odds are still heavily stacked in mens favor in society as a whole and moaning about these attempts to redress the balance are both pathetic and infantile. Men still dominate at the top ends of the vast majority of the jobs, professions and in public life. Women are still vulnerable to sexual abuse and assault for more often than the other way around. Many women live in fear due to domestic abuse and sexual assault. Women still suffer at work when discriminated against whist trying to raise families, etc. To deny any of this is just plain nonsense.

Some of the nonsense inferring women have caused 'increasing importance of coursework over exams' or 'reduced tolerance for ‘boys will be boys’ stuff on the playground' or work demanding you 'colour code my work but you couldn't because it fries my brain and that I’d rather just see the numbers' is just unbelievably pathetic! Blaming women because men aren't 'allowed to play regular team sport' or 'post match social antics are in real trouble now' is plainly nonsense! I suspect there are lots of reasons why men dont participate in team sports rather than their partners doesnt allow them. Similarly some of the 'antics' on display post match have been got rid because they were bullying and demeaning and excluded many men from team sports. My son was a really good rugby player but refused to play in his Uni team because he wouldn't drink a pint of sick as part of the team initiation 'antics' he saw as puerile and demeaning! Paddington seems a pretty insecure individual if he is afraid of a society where men and women are treated equally.

The issue of disaffected young men shouldn't be confused with the need to have equality between men and women. Blaming the feminisation of the workplace, too many women in the office to raise a cricket team or women stopping men play sports or behave badly is just banal nonsense! There are bigger more important issues that need to be explored to explain why young men in society feel disaffected and isolated but to try and explain it away by blaming women, directly or indirectly, is at best ironic and at worst misogynistic.

You’ve completely and deliberately misinterpreted my post, I’ve tried to engage on something that’s quite complex not least because different generations within the same workplaces are having very different experiences, and what is happening at the bottom goes against the priors of pretty much all of us. So I don’t think there’s much point engaging beyond adding a ‘fuck you’.

And we easily raise teams at my cricket club. I referenced rugby clubs, which I suppose is indicative of your comprehension skills.

You can think what I’m saying is total nonsense and that’s fine. What I would say as a last element is one of the aims of this place was to move above the purile posts from PR. Referring to me as a ‘pretty insecure individual’ when accompanied with the rest of your post is to me well below the standards of this bored, and is the kind of thing you absolutely would not say to my face if we treat this as a virtual pub.

The guilt of older generations wanting to over compensate for their shittiness and making assumptions about younger generations. You aren't going to get women in senior engineering positions or similar in other professions for example because of the maternity policies 20-30 years ago and you can't magic that away and generate the female professionals in that age and experience category. It will fix over time. A few less shitty comments by older generations to younger generation males who do spend time looking after their children would be a plus but I guess I don't take my career seriously. Another point I frequently find annoying is the assumption that women can't be every bit as shitty and bullying.

[epwc]

Women can absolutely be as shitty and nasty as men, but very few men suffer sexual assault or murder at the hands of women.

[epwc]

My daughters in Paris at the moment she says it’s absolutely mental on the streets

[robmatic]

Women can absolutely be as shitty and nasty as men, but very few men suffer sexual assault or murder at the hands of women.

I would have thought most modern middle class workplaces have quite firm policies on sexual assault and murder.

[epwc]

I would have thought most modern middle class workplaces have quite firm policies on sexual assault and murder.

We definitely don't have an anti murder policy here

[Glaston]

Different election, but the exit polls in France suggest Marine le Pen’s hard right National Rally has come third, behind the left and centre parties. Good news to see another country standing against the extremists.

Roughly.
Left gained 50 seats
Right gained 50 seats
Centre lost 80 seats

Melenchon isn't an extremist?

[_Os_]

There has to be immigrants in those areas for them to be using NHS services, when you see vox pops from those places they blame immigrants which don't exist in those places for stuff like that. They don't need to worry about immigrants if they remain where there are economically.

It's very obvious why shit holes are voting for this stuff, a scapegoat has been found and they keep voting against it (look at the Leave percentages in those four places), just like most of them voted Tory too. The Tories have nuked those places with austerity then Brexit inflation.

Those places aren't fucked because there's some more Indians in London or whatever. A good deal of why they're fucked is because of what they're voting for.

As I said, people can see what has happened elsewhere and don’t want it for their area. Their motivations are straightforward, you don’t have to agree with them. And what’s above is a radically different argument to what you were running with 5 minutes ago

It’s absolutely mad. Despite the rise of the hard right across Europe and the USA in the last 10 years directly because of immigration issues you still have people saying everyone is daft and it’s not immigration that’s really the issue. And so it goes on

It's not about immigration though. As I posted, the people supporting Reform, like those who supported the Brexit Party and UKIP and the BNP before, are known. They're white English, predominantly older (they're not young men), live in basically homogenous white areas that have undergone little demographic change because they're economically deprived, and they're less educated. There's also somewhat successful small/medium business owners that always pop up in the voter coalitions of fascist parties (they cannot outcompete larger rivals through fair means, so want to blow things up). There's no "rise", the UK population has been growing whilst this part of the political spectrum doesn't change much.

EU elections
2004: UKIP 2.6m, BNP 800k
2009: UKIP 2.5m, BNP 950k
2014: UKIP 4.3m, BNP 200k
2019: Brexit Party 5.2m

General elections
2005: UKIP 600k, BNP 200k
2010: UKIP 900k, BNP 550k
2015: UKIP 3.9m
2017: UKIP 600k
2019: Brexit Party 650k
2024: Reform 4.1m

There is circa 1m hardcore racist fascists and another 3m not as hardcore, this was the case 20 years ago. Reform got how many votes in the 2024 GE ... 4m. UKIP and the BNP were pulling those numbers in the 2009 Euro election. The obvious isn't pointed out basically because the Tories need these voters, so no one calls them stupid or racist like Cameron did in the 00s. It became a taboo to say people who voted to leave the EU were stupid if they thought that would lower immigration, the response from these definitely not stupid people was that leaving the EU wasn't about lowering immigration and they knew what they were voting for, then when immigration went up these people claimed that wasn't what they voted for.

Brexit shows why their politics isn't about immigration. Just like it wasn't about the complexities of the EU and sovereignty when they claimed it was. Brexit was particularly successful for them, because they managed to drag in some people who actually did care about leaving the EU (those people naively thought they were hoodwinking the likes of Farage and his followers, rather than the opposite).

Their politics is about white supremacy and racism. Immigration could end and they still wouldn't be happy, just like the UK left the EU and they're still not happy, because it's impossible to give them what they really want. Which is "nothing changing around here" and "not turning into a foreign country", when you talk to these people or see them being interviewed in the media they'll offer up what that means without much pressure, they see black/brown people as foreign and want a white UK.

They get led around the electoral landscape by liars and will always end up disappointed. "Brexit has been betrayed! It wasn't what we voted for, which definitely wasn't about immigration until we decided it was actually! vote for Farage again to fix everything again!". But remember, the main issue isn't them being stupid.

[Paddington Bear]

Women can absolutely be as shitty and nasty as men, but very few men suffer sexual assault or murder at the hands of women.

I don’t think anyone is saying otherwise, and we’re discussing different phenomenons. Women still have a shitty time from all sorts of angles and deal with far more serious problems than men on the whole. Young men have a much shittier time of things than their forebears, the two things are not mutually exclusive or even directly related IMHO.

As I said towards the start of the discussion, I don’t think what happens at my work and in my sector is a bad thing, but it is a thing (and given the choice between working where I do or for the Golf Goals and Gear insurance bros on the floor below us I would never hesitate to stay where I am!). Being told it is not a thing because of irrelevant pieces of info like how people in the 50s and 60s are doing, or how god awful being a working woman 20+ years ago was (which is beyond dispute) feels like banging your head against a brick wall.

Anyway, Labour look to be all in on planning reform which is excellent news and great for the country

[TedMaul]

Don’t you oppress my Golf Goals and Gear bros you fkn FASCIST.

[Margin__Walker]

Out of the blocks



Meanwhile in nimby central

[Raggs]

Fecking hell, they really are going a million miles an hour now. Not really a bad idea. I guess a lot of ideas are going to take a fair bit of time to actually happen, and also actually give a benefit. Also, if it's done now, people may have forgotten half the stuff they disliked by virtue of it being 5 years ago by the time the next election rolls around.

[Paddington Bear]

Fecking hell, they really are going a million miles an hour now. Not really a bad idea. I guess a lot of ideas are going to take a fair bit of time to actually happen, and also actually give a benefit. Also, if it's done now, people may have forgotten half the stuff they disliked by virtue of it being 5 years ago by the time the next election rolls around.

Yep. Go fast and most of this will be built by the next election. Fair play

[robmatic]

Meanwhile in nimby central

A Green Party candidate in the replies is suggesting tunnelling instead of pylons. As well as being incredibly expensive, tunnelling would probably have a much bigger environmental impact. They really are just rebranded Tory nimbys.

[epwc]

Young men have a much shittier time of things than their forebears

Do they? For a start it's much easier to be honest about your sexuality, so many young men couldn't be honest about who they were in my days

the two things are not mutually exclusive or even directly related IMHO.

Agree on that

Being told it is not a thing because of irrelevant pieces of info like how people in the 50s and 60s are doing, or how god awful being a working woman 20+ years ago was (which is beyond dispute) feels like banging your head against a brick wall.

Current data still shows a gender imbalance.

Anyway, Labour look to be all in on planning reform which is excellent news and great for the country

Look to be hitting the ground running, but with real policies that make sense. Refreshing!

[epwc]

A Green Party candidate in the replies is suggesting tunnelling instead of pylons. As well as being incredibly expensive, tunnelling would probably have a much bigger environmental impact. They really are just rebranded Tory nimbys.

Does look like it, pathetic

[Margin__Walker]

Meanwhile in nimby central

A Green Party candidate in the replies is suggesting tunnelling instead of pylons. As well as being incredibly expensive, tunnelling would probably have a much bigger environmental impact. They really are just rebranded Tory nimbys.

Yep, it's such disingenuous bollocks. Theys say it's because other options haven't been explored (basically tunnelling I guess). Honestly, anyone voting green because they are concerned about an environmental emergency is being badly misled.

[Paddington Bear]

Young men have a much shittier time of things than their forebears

Do they? For a start it's much easier to be honest about your sexuality, so many young men couldn't be honest about who they were in my days

This is a very fair point and I should clarify I’m referring to life chances etc.

[epwc]

Just been speaking to my friend at the PassivHaus Trust, this is what they said:

"We’ve sent a letter to Angela Rayner and Ed Milliband asking for them to adopt Passivhaus as a “Deemed to Satisfy” approach in the Building Regulations.
There might be a chance that they will do this, as a similar approach is being pursued in Scotland, because of the “Scottish Passivhaus Equivalent” work, which is being led by a Scottish Labour MSP.
Fingers crossed - we’ll let you know if we make any progress!"

So if anyone has any ins to the right people please let me know.

If you don't know what PassivHaus is or it's benefits:

https://www.passivhaustrust.org.uk/what ... ivhaus.php

[I like neeps]

Out of the blocks



Meanwhile in nimby central

It is good news ... But correct me if I'm wrong all other energy developments are fought tooth and nail on a local level now anyway.

It's positive they're going fast on planning, needs to be totally removed from the local councils as they'll only ever be blockers.

[Margin__Walker]

I guess the important thing is to get to a place where the deck is generally stacked in favour of development in most areas eventually, rather than stacked in favour of obstruction as is is now.

[JM2K6]

Fecking hell, they really are going a million miles an hour now. Not really a bad idea. I guess a lot of ideas are going to take a fair bit of time to actually happen, and also actually give a benefit. Also, if it's done now, people may have forgotten half the stuff they disliked by virtue of it being 5 years ago by the time the next election rolls around.

Helped by knowing for a long time they were likely to win big, and it seems like they've used that time wisely. Having a list of easy wins, the right appointments, and what's required for the harder + more complex problems is all excellent planning.

Compare and contrast with Brexit...

[_Os_]

Meanwhile in nimby central

A Green Party candidate in the replies is suggesting tunnelling instead of pylons. As well as being incredibly expensive, tunnelling would probably have a much bigger environmental impact. They really are just rebranded Tory nimbys.

They also have Momentum Labour in their voter coalition. Doesn't look stable. Socialists who don't care much about the environment (the thing about socialists is they're materialists, they want real world measurable development), environmental zealots who seem to want humanity to stop developing and don't really have coherent politics (really just the UK who would not be developing if they had their way, but these types have a lot of British exceptionalism in them), Tories who want no change to anything.

What vibe the party gives off decides who drops out first. Could end up yet another problem for the Tories.

[I like neeps]

I guess the important thing is to get to a place where the deck is generally stacked in favour of development in most areas eventually, rather than stacked in favour of obstruction as is is now.

Hugely promising that it's the first big announcement from the Chancellor and hopefully they're willing to be unpopular with the freaks who get so animated by planning locally.

[Hal Jordan]

Oi, I've set up a thread for the new administration!

But if you want to continue this bin fire of a thread, it is a free country.

[Ovals]

This generation of young men under attack somehow? That's laughable. Women still earn less, get less promotions, are subject to more sexual abuse, physical attacks and even murder.

Point of order - Men are around twice as likely to be subjected to violent crime - including murders. Albeit that is mostly male on male violence.

[epwc]

This generation of young men under attack somehow? That's laughable. Women still earn less, get less promotions, are subject to more sexual abuse, physical attacks and even murder.

Point of order - Men are around twice as likely to be subjected to violent crime - including murders. Albeit that is mostly male on male violence.

True, I was looking at male/female vs female/male

[Random1]

This generation of young men under attack somehow? That's laughable. Women still earn less, get less promotions, are subject to more sexual abuse, physical attacks and even murder.

Point of order - Men are around twice as likely to be subjected to violent crime - including murders. Albeit that is mostly male on male violence.

95% of work place deaths are male.

https://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/fatals.htm

[epwc]

95% of work place deaths are male.

https://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/fatals.htm

100% of deaths in labour are female

[TB63]

Genius..

https://x.com/MarinaPurkiss/status/1810 ... H6S5w&s=19

[Biffer]

Genius..

https://x.com/MarinaPurkiss/status/1810 ... H6S5w&s=19

That’s brilliant