Angry White Men

[Biffer]

Nice to see Magna Carta trending today, often the last resort of free speech fuckwits who have no idea what Magna Carta was or did.

[tc27]

Kinda frustrated. I have thought for some time the pendulum was swung a bit to far and some arrests and sentences for hurty/unwise words showed we need to legislate more strongly in favour of free speech.

However the rests in relation to recent riots are clearly a reaction to incitement which has being a common law offence for centuries even in Murica.

Thos complaining now are completely disingenuous

[C69]

I enjoyed this

Really, you posted this knowing members of the Southport Community are on here
Fuck you for your baiting post. You sick fuck.

[Slick]

I'm not sure what thread this belongs in - could be many I suppose - but another general problem (specific to social media/media) is Piers Morgan.

I honestly despise the bloke with an absolute passion. Whenever there is a big issue (national or international) he throws his weight around opining on stuff in an utterly obnoxious fashion.

It is so lamentable that a tabloid hack with no real expertise of anything he talks about has positioned himself to be some kind of authority on current affairs.

Yeah, he's always poorly informed and trying to express things in a simple tabloid headline way. I think he reckons he's cutting through to the heart of the issue or something but some topics just can't be presented that way, because it leads to what we've seen in the last few days

You are 100% correct, his whole schtick is that hes just one of those straight talking guys "who calls it as it is".

And on that note you seriously can't make this stuff up.... As if on cue Piers argues with multiple Olympic medals winner Michael Johnson about what it means to be a champion. He is the ultimate, ultimate blowhard, poorly informed, poorly researched and lazy but speaks on every subject as of he is an authority.

https://x.com/MJGold/status/1822375430097195136

Not sure if I’ve mentioned this before, but he was a guest at my wife’s cousins wedding. I went for a piss when a little drunk and managed to hit it off my kilt and basically pissed on my hand. As I was about to wash my hands in walks Morgan, “nice to meet you” and a hearty handshake, “you might have dried them first he laughs”

Childish I know, but enjoyed that.

[Random1]

We should care about both. Not to labour the point but these riots started because the child of an asylum seeker murdered white children in cold blood, a week or so after a man who I understand was born in Nigeria stabbed an army officer to death in cold blood in Kent. Clearly there is an issue of deadly violence against white Brits, in the same way that there is an issue of mob violence by white Brits towards Muslims in particular.

A multi-ethnic society requires a much stronger state that does not allow ethnic tensions like this to surface. You prevent that by requiring greater integration, reducing ethnic enclaves through the allocation of social housing and an absolute zero tolerance policing and justice effort (including the deportation of violent foreign nationals and heavy jail sentences for citizens). That is not what we’re seeing, and it rolls the wicket for the violence we are seeing.

If we do nothing, speak in euphemisms and platitudes and far more heavily police one side we’ll be back here again the next time there is a racially based killing.

You really think bigger state intervention will help?

Not sure the evidence supports that. The more the state tries to social engineer, the closer and closer we get to authoritarianism.

I’ve worked with the civil service - they work hard and are smart - but they aren’t Gods. Some of the things they write into law have the opposite impact they wanted once released into the world.

A functional multi ethnic state requires a degree on authoritarianism we are going to find very uncomfortable, yes

This the sort of stuff you were thinking PB?

[Hugo]

You really think bigger state intervention will help?

Not sure the evidence supports that. The more the state tries to social engineer, the closer and closer we get to authoritarianism.

I’ve worked with the civil service - they work hard and are smart - but they aren’t Gods. Some of the things they write into law have the opposite impact they wanted once released into the world.

A functional multi ethnic state requires a degree on authoritarianism we are going to find very uncomfortable, yes

This the sort of stuff you were thinking PB?

I'm only 11 minutes in but she is already making some great points.

I think she's hit the nail on the head when she talks about how her school is set up (the silent corridors and lunchtimes) to create outcomes that are favourable for the whole community, not the individual.

[Hugo]

Yeah, he's always poorly informed and trying to express things in a simple tabloid headline way. I think he reckons he's cutting through to the heart of the issue or something but some topics just can't be presented that way, because it leads to what we've seen in the last few days

You are 100% correct, his whole schtick is that hes just one of those straight talking guys "who calls it as it is".

And on that note you seriously can't make this stuff up.... As if on cue Piers argues with multiple Olympic medals winner Michael Johnson about what it means to be a champion. He is the ultimate, ultimate blowhard, poorly informed, poorly researched and lazy but speaks on every subject as of he is an authority.

https://x.com/MJGold/status/1822375430097195136

Not sure if I’ve mentioned this before, but he was a guest at my wife’s cousins wedding. I went for a piss when a little drunk and managed to hit it off my kilt and basically pissed on my hand. As I was about to wash my hands in walks Morgan, “nice to meet you” and a hearty handshake, “you might have dried them first he laughs”

Childish I know, but enjoyed that.

That is superb.

[C69]

A functional multi ethnic state requires a degree on authoritarianism we are going to find very uncomfortable, yes

This the sort of stuff you were thinking PB?

I'm only 11 minutes in but she is already making some great points.

I think she's hit the nail on the head when she talks about how her school is set up (the silent corridors and lunchtimes) to create outcomes that are favourable for the whole community, not the individual.

Gtfo

[Tilly Orifice]

Feminisation of the education sector is so blindingly obvious, it takes something akin to motivated reasoning to pretend it hasn’t happened.

And ‘boys will be boys’ doesn’t mean ‘let boys be dickheads’, it means boys need to burn off steam more than girls do, and schools in particular need to accommodate that. Rugby being an example of an excellent way to channel this.

My school would always schedule PE and games for the worst behaved classes as the first lesson of the day, for obvious reasons

When I went to primary school there was never more than one male teacher at the school. Every other teacher, throughout my eight years there, was female.
Since this was the liberal and enlightened '60s, the sole male teacher was the headmaster of course. I guess if women are allowed to be the head now, this could count as feminisation.

[Calculon]

I enjoyed this

Really, you posted this knowing members of the Southport Community are on here
Fuck you for your baiting post. You sick fuck.

Wtf are you on about. Andrew Callahan is a better reporter than most on networks with billions of dollars. That's an excellent piece showing you how people on both sides think. If this is part of your faux outrage schtick it's a really odd thread to do it on. If you're being sincere then maybe a break from this thread would do you some good

[Hugo]

One takeaway from that video is, you cant expect British Muslims to be happy about the UKs stance towards Israel and the general meddling in the ME.

[mat the expat]

I must admit I’m in two minds about the severity of the sentences. I guess they must have played a part in stopping the “protests”, but hmm….

Meh, fuck 'em.

They used to hang or send people to Australia for much less.

I have zero sympathy with these numpties.

As for previous comments about them having no male teachers as surrogate father figures, I think some here have rose-tinted memories.

Lots of the male teachers I had at school were psychopaths who enjoyed hitting children for the smallest infraction.

[JM2K6]

Ol'Birbalsingh is an absolute joke. Successful headteacher, but repeatedly shitting the bed in order to appeal to the further-right and feed her need for attention and validation is not a good look. For someone who must be quite smart, she says a lot of really dumb shit quite regularly. It's as if a GB News "expert" also had a good job.

[epwc]

As for previous comments about them having no male teachers as surrogate father figures, I think some here have rose-tinted memories.

Lots of the male teachers I had at school were psychopaths who enjoyed hitting children for the smallest infraction.

I'm with you on that, there was a history teacher at ours that used to punish a particular boy by beating his bare arse with a huge protractor in front of the rest of the class. Oh, and Mr Jones who dropped one of my mates head first onto the changing room floor because he said he felt sick. Geography teacher who used to throw his massive bunch of keys or board rubber at your head, good pace and aim, obviously a fairly decent bowler.

[SaintK]

Ol'Birbalsingh is an absolute joke. Successful headteacher, but repeatedly shitting the bed in order to appeal to the further-right and feed her need for attention and validation is not a good look. For someone who must be quite smart, she says a lot of really dumb shit quite regularly. It's as if a GB News "expert" also had a good job.

What I want to know is what she did with the £1.3m she was given to start up another of her schools in Stevenage by the blonde bumblecunt?
Absolutely zero sign of it........surprise, surprise!!

[Slick]

As for previous comments about them having no male teachers as surrogate father figures, I think some here have rose-tinted memories.

Lots of the male teachers I had at school were psychopaths who enjoyed hitting children for the smallest infraction.

I'm with you on that, there was a history teacher at ours that used to punish a particular boy by beating his bare arse with a huge protractor in front of the rest of the class. Oh, and Mr Jones who dropped one of my mates head first onto the changing room floor because he said he felt sick. Geography teacher who used to throw his massive bunch of keys or board rubber at your head, good pace and aim, obviously a fairly decent bowler.

Did we go to the same school!

[Rhubarb & Custard]

As for previous comments about them having no male teachers as surrogate father figures, I think some here have rose-tinted memories.

Lots of the male teachers I had at school were psychopaths who enjoyed hitting children for the smallest infraction.

I'm with you on that, there was a history teacher at ours that used to punish a particular boy by beating his bare arse with a huge protractor in front of the rest of the class. Oh, and Mr Jones who dropped one of my mates head first onto the changing room floor because he said he felt sick. Geography teacher who used to throw his massive bunch of keys or board rubber at your head, good pace and aim, obviously a fairly decent bowler.

Did we go to the same school!

At my primary school there was a teacher who used to drink bottles of beer from a case, the sort of case bottles of milk/pop used to be delivered in (and presumably beers too), and then later in the day after draining a few bottles he'd be liable to throw empty bottles or even the case at kids aged 10 and younger. He was never my teacher, but oddly it came up as a topic of conversation in the playground, sometimes he still gets a mention today from those small number I still keep in touch with from primary school days

My only exposure to him was in PE lessons when he sometimes took the football lessons, and there he was actually very good given he was a former semi-pro footballer (actually he told us he used to play for PSG and we believed him)

[epwc]

Did we go to the same school!

I think it wasn't that unusual, I know loads of men of my generation and older who have similar stories. In fact I'm now mates with someone who attended the same school 20 years before me and he still recoils in horror at the thought of the place.

[JM2K6]

I suspect the concept of teacher as father figure also varies dramatically by class size and whether it was a public school.

As someone whose dad was mostly absent / overseas during my school years, and who went to both an expensive public school and a local college, the boarding school obviously gave staff far more opportunity to get to know me and advise me, but there was no obvious father figure, and when faced with some major life challenges in college it was a woman who helped me out massively.

And yes, at (mixed) boarding school I did have a teacher who threw things at the boys. In fairness, a good half the time it was catching practice with a cricket ball, or Mars bars for good results, but there was the occasional punishment throw too...

[Dinsdale Piranha]

As for previous comments about them having no male teachers as surrogate father figures, I think some here have rose-tinted memories.

Lots of the male teachers I had at school were psychopaths who enjoyed hitting children for the smallest infraction.

I'm with you on that, there was a history teacher at ours that used to punish a particular boy by beating his bare arse with a huge protractor in front of the rest of the class. Oh, and Mr Jones who dropped one of my mates head first onto the changing room floor because he said he felt sick. Geography teacher who used to throw his massive bunch of keys or board rubber at your head, good pace and aim, obviously a fairly decent bowler.

I got hit over the head - hard - with an enormous French-English dictionary by my French teacher. My parents didn't even remotely believe me. 3 years later he was sacked for - hitting a pupil over the head with a dictionary. I made some mileage out of that one.

My school from 13-18 mostly had very good teachers. The previous schools - several complete lunatics. One board rubber fanatic like above. Several who enjoyed psychological torture - the usual few who liked naked young boys. etc. etc.

[inactionman]

Violence had been drummed out of schools by the time I went, but in my school it was replaced by teachers having significant drink problems and not really given a shit.

These might be related - not being allowed to knock sense into us little shits would drive most to booze and/or apathy.

[Slick]

As for previous comments about them having no male teachers as surrogate father figures, I think some here have rose-tinted memories.

Lots of the male teachers I had at school were psychopaths who enjoyed hitting children for the smallest infraction.

I'm with you on that, there was a history teacher at ours that used to punish a particular boy by beating his bare arse with a huge protractor in front of the rest of the class. Oh, and Mr Jones who dropped one of my mates head first onto the changing room floor because he said he felt sick. Geography teacher who used to throw his massive bunch of keys or board rubber at your head, good pace and aim, obviously a fairly decent bowler.

I got hit over the head - hard - with an enormous French-English dictionary by my French teacher. My parents didn't even remotely believe me. 3 years later he was sacked for - hitting a pupil over the head with a dictionary. I made some mileage out of that one.

My school from 13-18 mostly had very good teachers. The previous schools - several complete lunatics. One board rubber fanatic like above. Several who enjoyed psychological torture - the usual few who liked naked young boys. etc. etc.

At one of my primary schools a female teacher used to punish kids by making them smell her feet. She got sacked a couple of years after I'd moved on as well.

[Oxbow]

Same sort of stuff at my school, many a board rubber thrown, chalk was easier to dodge. I got hit round the head with a book once, still not sure why. Saw a teacher get into an argument with a pupil and throw a chair at him. Had an occasional PE teacher who would stand outside the showers and act as a towel rail. Ahh, the good old days.

[Biffer]

This thread is turning into a Monty Python sketch.

[Paddington Bear]

Same sort of stuff at my school, many a board rubber thrown, chalk was easier to dodge. I got hit round the head with a book once, still not sure why. Saw a teacher get into an argument with a pupil and throw a chair at him. Had an occasional PE teacher who would stand outside the showers and act as a towel rail. Ahh, the good old days.

When I was looking at careers I did briefly consider teaching - there’s an extent to which talking about history and geography all day before coaching cricket and rugby in the afternoon looked appealing. Then I remembered the total lack of discipline and general descent into Lord of the Flies stuff every time there was an opening at my school and thought again. God knows how they manage it

[Biffer]

MI5 looking into Stephen Yaxley Lennon's travel, finances, meetings etc. according to the Times.

Good to see that cunt go down for a long time

[fishfoodie]

MI5 looking into Stephen Yaxley Lennon's travel, finances, meetings etc. according to the Times.

Good to see that cunt go down for a long time

And Irish Politicians are looking to take away his Irish passport; so the prick will lose the easy access to the EU it gives him

[Random1]

Ol'Birbalsingh is an absolute joke. Successful headteacher, but repeatedly shitting the bed in order to appeal to the further-right and feed her need for attention and validation is not a good look. For someone who must be quite smart, she says a lot of really dumb shit quite regularly. It's as if a GB News "expert" also had a good job.

Yeah, you’re the sort of progressive person she’s talking about. Amazing how she’s never heard of you, yet predicted your behaviour.

Taken a failing inner city school to top of the table; maybe you should just drop the politics and listen to her.

[mat the expat]

As for previous comments about them having no male teachers as surrogate father figures, I think some here have rose-tinted memories.

Lots of the male teachers I had at school were psychopaths who enjoyed hitting children for the smallest infraction.

I'm with you on that, there was a history teacher at ours that used to punish a particular boy by beating his bare arse with a huge protractor in front of the rest of the class. Oh, and Mr Jones who dropped one of my mates head first onto the changing room floor because he said he felt sick. Geography teacher who used to throw his massive bunch of keys or board rubber at your head, good pace and aim, obviously a fairly decent bowler.

We all cheered one day when, in the rural area we lived, one of the kids drove to school in his tractor (Just to register) and then walked into the class and hit one teacher who had smashed his brother's head off the table the day before.

It were brutal times.

[sockwithaticket]

Violence had been drummed out of schools by the time I went, but in my school it was replaced by teachers having significant drink problems and not really given a shit.

These might be related - not being allowed to knock sense into us little shits would drive most to booze and/or apathy.

Among those that stay. Most just leave. The country is rightly bricking it over NHS staffing at the moment, but teacher retention and recruitment is a budding crisis. Especially in STEM subjects.

[Tichtheid]

There was a lot of violence among pupils in the years before I got to secondary school, it was still there when I got to first year but petered out as our cohort went up through school. Some say it was because the worst of the violent staff had gone by then, although there were still bullies who threw chalk dusters or in the case of a woodwork teacher, the first thing that came to hand including a wood plane.

A good few of the staff resorted to public humiliation of children instead, this bullying was carried on into the playground.

At primary school when I was nine I was made to stand up in front of a class and hit four times on my outstretched hands with a heavy leather tawse by man in his thirties, this was for pushing a football out of the hands of the guy in front of me when we were going in to the school at nine am. Some other primary school teachers used a large wooden ruler instead of the leather tawse.
I also "got the tawse" at secondary school for talking to my mate in class. I was 12 then.

Others seem to be belted on a regular basis. It was eventually outlawed after I left school. I remember a news item about birching in schools on the Isle of Man, the news was that they retained the right for teachers to beat children with sticks.

Good old masculine teaching, that.

[Dogbert]

Ah The good old tawse.....

Our French teacher ( a women in her thirties) was particularly adept in the use of that weapon.

We found that a quick rub of iron fillings on the hands before being hit would produce lots of little cuts making the hands bloody after a couple of hits- that freaked her out and reduced the volume of beatings.

[epwc]

I think the consensus appears to be that we miss those days of teachers being able to express their masculinity through ritual beating?

[Slick]

Ah The good old tawse.....

Our French teacher ( a women in her thirties) was particularly adept in the use of that weapon.

We found that a quick rub of iron fillings on the hands before being hit would produce lots of little cuts making the hands bloody after a couple of hits- that freaked her out and reduced the volume of beatings.

That's the spirit!

[Sandstorm]

I think the consensus appears to be that we miss those days of teachers being able to express their masculinity through ritual beating?

Worked better than the naughty step.

[dpedin]

I think the consensus appears to be that we miss those days of teachers being able to express their masculinity through ritual beating?

Worked better than the naughty step.

'Real' grown men hitting young kids with a leather strap worked wonders ... it legitimized violence as a solution.

[Slick]

I think the consensus appears to be that we miss those days of teachers being able to express their masculinity through ritual beating?

Worked better than the naughty step.

'Real' grown men hitting young kids with a leather strap worked wonders ... it legitimized violence as a solution.

It has to be said though, that behaviour in schools, particularly in Scotland, is at an all time low.

[epwc]

It has to be said though, that behaviour in schools, particularly in Scotland, is at an all time low.

A huge chunk of that is to do with the lack of discipline in the home nowadays

[Oxbow]

My missus is a school librarian and my niece is a history teacher, both have seen a huge decline in behaviour since they started in the job. My niece has witnessed female teachers on the floor reduced to tears from the abuse they've received. A similar thing happened at my missus's school where a female teacher was receiving overtly sexual comments. The headteacher just said "Ah boys will be boys" and that was it. When there's no discipline coming from the top (and also often from home), teachers don't stand a chance.

[Sandstorm]

It has to be said though, that behaviour in schools, particularly in Scotland, is at an all time low.

A huge chunk of that is to do with the lack of discipline in the home nowadays

Timeline probably dovetails with their 35-45 year old parents not getting the strap when they were in High School.