Starmergeddon: They Came And Ate Us

[inactionman]

It's truly ironic. You all love running the French down for being soft, and yet they did what had to be done. Madame Guillotine, most of you are still bowing and scraping. Where is a Cromwell when you need him? And you do need him.

But what would you do without your King?

[Yeeb]

It's truly ironic. You all love running the French down for being soft, and yet they did what had to be done. Madame Guillotine, most of you are still bowing and scraping. Where is a Cromwell when you need him? And you do need him.

What on earth are you on about ? Nobody British has ever said the French are soft - just softer than ze Germans

[dpedin]

Starmer seems to have been a total car crash at PMQs today. They and the Tories doing their level best to boost Reform UK

Nah.
Baddenoch tried the scattergun approach rather than using the 6 questions on one subject.
She scored a decent point on the first one but went downhill from there. Though the Tory pree will tell you otherwise
Raising the resignation of Siddiq who was not found to have broken ministerial guidelines when Pritti Patel sat next to her was and refused to resign and then cost the the taxpayer £300,000 in a pay off to one of the civil servants she bullied was pprobably not the best question.
She hasn't got the hang of it yet and whoever is briefing her and rehearsing her needs to up their game big time.

I thought Badenough was awful again at PMQs - she really isnt good at this. By asking different questions she never really came back on any of the points made by Starmer ie criticized Siddiq position, allowed Starmer to fire salvo about Braverman then moved onto next topic without any comeback from her. I thought that Starmer swatted her away like an annoying fly tbh.

[tabascoboy]

Starmer seems to have been a total car crash at PMQs today. They and the Tories doing their level best to boost Reform UK

Nah.
Baddenoch tried the scattergun approach rather than using the 6 questions on one subject.
She scored a decent point on the first one but went downhill from there. Though the Tory pree will tell you otherwise
Raising the resignation of Siddiq who was not found to have broken ministerial guidelines when Pritti Patel sat next to her was and refused to resign and then cost the the taxpayer £300,000 in a pay off to one of the civil servants she bullied was pprobably not the best question.
She hasn't got the hang of it yet and whoever is briefing her and rehearsing her needs to up their game big time.

I thought Badenough was awful again at PMQs - she really isnt good at this. By asking different questions she never really came back on any of the points made by Starmer ie criticized Siddiq position, allowed Starmer to fire salvo about Braverman then moved onto next topic without any comeback from her. I thought that Starmer swatted her away like an annoying fly tbh.

Fair enough, Badenoch is so abysmal that she can make anyone look much better! Need something more than reciting"£22 billion black hole left behind!" by now though even if Badenoch's questions are unfocused...but as with when the Tories were in power and constantly evasive it's just ever more pointless theatre anyway

[Deepsouth]

It's truly ironic. You all love running the French down for being soft, and yet they did what had to be done. Madame Guillotine, most of you are still bowing and scraping. Where is a Cromwell when you need him? And you do need him.

But what would you do without your King?

He's on his last legs here. Embarrasing that you all still believe in the fantasy. They are just humans. Piss and shit just like me and you. I mean the bloke has been selling peerages hasn't he? Very noble lol. And should we bring up his traitors brother and son. Regal my arse. Clownshop.

[inactionman]

It's truly ironic. You all love running the French down for being soft, and yet they did what had to be done. Madame Guillotine, most of you are still bowing and scraping. Where is a Cromwell when you need him? And you do need him.

But what would you do without your King?

He's on his last legs here. Embarrasing that you all still believe in the fantasy. They are just humans. Piss and shit just like me and you. I mean the bloke has been selling peerages hasn't he? Very noble lol. And should we bring up his traitors brother and son. Regal my arse. Clownshop.

Why have you still got him?

[Deepsouth]

But what would you do without your King?

He's on his last legs here. Embarrasing that you all still believe in the fantasy. They are just humans. Piss and shit just like me and you. I mean the bloke has been selling peerages hasn't he? Very noble lol. And should we bring up his traitors brother and son. Regal my arse. Clownshop.

Why have you still got him?

Right so you don't dispute he has been selling peerages? Good to know that that's the kind of so called noble behaviour that you support. No wonder your country from the very top to the very chav like bottom is so very broken.

Now I understand why there is a million of you refugees in our country lol .....

[inactionman]

He's on his last legs here. Embarrasing that you all still believe in the fantasy. They are just humans. Piss and shit just like me and you. I mean the bloke has been selling peerages hasn't he? Very noble lol. And should we bring up his traitors brother and son. Regal my arse. Clownshop.

Why have you still got him?

Right so you don't dispute he has been selling peerages? Good to know that that's the kind of so called noble behaviour that you support. No wonder your country from the very top to the very chav like bottom is so very broken.

Now I understand why there is a million of you refugees in our country lol .....

Why have you still got him?

[Deepsouth]

Why have you still got him?

Right so you don't dispute he has been selling peerages? Good to know that that's the kind of so called noble behaviour that you support. No wonder your country from the very top to the very chav like bottom is so very broken.

Now I understand why there is a million of you refugees in our country lol .....

Why have you still got him?

Why is your so called King selling peerages? And why don't you live in a modern democratic society which would call that shit out? Great Britain bit of a joke really isn't it.

[Biffer]

Right so you don't dispute he has been selling peerages? Good to know that that's the kind of so called noble behaviour that you support. No wonder your country from the very top to the very chav like bottom is so very broken.

Now I understand why there is a million of you refugees in our country lol .....

Why have you still got him?

Why is your so called King selling peerages? And why don't you live in a modern democratic society which would call that shit out? Great Britain bit of a joke really isn't it.

Your king too

[JM2K6]

He's always been weird but Deepsouth's posting in recent months is genuinely a bit concerning. I hope it's just the booze and nothing more.

[Sandstorm]

He's always been weird but Deepsouth's posting in recent months is genuinely a bit concerning. I hope it's just the booze and nothing more.

+1

[Biffer]

Announcement yesterday which is hardly covered anywhere in the news that I can see, investment of £410million in a new nuclear fusion development / demonstration plant in Nottinghamshire.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ion-energy

This funding is for 25-26, so one year's funding, and includes kicking off the engineering and construction contracts for the prototype plant, repurposing the JET reactor at Culham, a fusion fuel R&D facility and skilss development.

This is the drip feed of industrial strategy coming out. I'm expecting similar investments in other green energy areas (including sustainable aviation, energy storage), space, exascale computing, pharma, biotech, comms, PNT, advanced manufacturing, defence, etc.

[Sandstorm]

This is the drip feed of industrial strategy coming out. I'm expecting similar investments in other green energy areas (including sustainable aviation, energy storage), space, exascale computing, pharma, biotech, comms, PNT, advanced manufacturing, defence, etc.

All jobs that will require skills-visa applications from foreign workers?

[tabascoboy]

Announcement yesterday which is hardly covered anywhere in the news that I can see, investment of £410million in a new nuclear fusion development / demonstration plant in Nottinghamshire.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ion-energy

This funding is for 25-26, so one year's funding, and includes kicking off the engineering and construction contracts for the prototype plant, repurposing the JET reactor at Culham, a fusion fuel R&D facility and skilss development.

This is the drip feed of industrial strategy coming out. I'm expecting similar investments in other green energy areas (including sustainable aviation, energy storage), space, exascale computing, pharma, biotech, comms, PNT, advanced manufacturing, defence, etc.

Sounds good

[Tichtheid]

Announcement yesterday which is hardly covered anywhere in the news that I can see, investment of £410million in a new nuclear fusion development / demonstration plant in Nottinghamshire.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ion-energy

This funding is for 25-26, so one year's funding, and includes kicking off the engineering and construction contracts for the prototype plant, repurposing the JET reactor at Culham, a fusion fuel R&D facility and skilss development.

This is the drip feed of industrial strategy coming out. I'm expecting similar investments in other green energy areas (including sustainable aviation, energy storage), space, exascale computing, pharma, biotech, comms, PNT, advanced manufacturing, defence, etc.

The article uses the oft-quoted “holy grail “ and it really is.
It just always seems to twenty years away.

We should be using fission in the meantime and developing electric heating.

[Raggs]

Looks like some of the materials will be UK produced too: https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/fus ... 05.article

[_Os_]

So exactly the same then as truss & Kwasi , where there were increases but not double or more than every other country out there.

https://news.sky.com/story/plenty-of-co ... t-13285470

[_Os_]

The clue that Truss/Kamikwasi is nothing like Starmer/Reeves and the comparison is quite a sad bit of desperation on the part of the Tories ("We're all the same!!! They're as bad as us!!!"), is the entire UK government hasn't been forced to defenestrate itself to regain market confidence and save the UK economy. The PM is not Yvette Cooper.

Good for everyone else that Tories are determined to mention Truss every 10 minutes though. "We're all the same, all Truss level useless" ...

[dpedin]

Just ask ChatGBT to make a spreadsheet for you.

My wife uses it all the time - she's a big fan of AI, although it's in its infancy, really.

Just used ChatGBT for the first time... asked it to write a paragraph for a proposal I'm writing. Bloody hell, that's good... I've been quite against it as I like to write my own stuff, but this is very helpful indeed...

Yeah my wife used it a lot for work. She said you can refine your questions and it gets better. Then you edit it and you've got a pretty good piece.

You can use it for anything from train journeys to asking it what is the best car to buy.

It all depends on the data it has trawled from the internet ... which is why the current Big Tech mobsters want to deregulate. Why create AI if it actually tells the truth, far better it produces responses based on the utter garbage and lies that you are happy to feed into it via your shitty internet sites. AI cant differentiate the truth from the lies unless it has an evidence base to do so, which is why the likes of Musk etc want to flood the internet with their own world views.

[Biffer]

This is the drip feed of industrial strategy coming out. I'm expecting similar investments in other green energy areas (including sustainable aviation, energy storage), space, exascale computing, pharma, biotech, comms, PNT, advanced manufacturing, defence, etc.

All jobs that will require skills-visa applications from foreign workers?

No, did you bother reading anything or just ignore the skills development bit?

You have a few choices in this kind of thing

1. Import all your skills
2. Try and train all the skills you need domestically
3. a combination of the above

1. Doesn't give you much in the way of sovereign capability in the long term. 2. would mean you'd produce nothing of any significant capability for years while the rest of the world moves on in research and development. So you have to do 3 if you want to actually achieve anything. How we do that is always the question - but you need to import some skills to move forward, and help to develop your domestic workforce. The difficulty is finding the right balance - and that's where you need government action. If you leave it to business, they'll just do 1, as it's the quickest and easiest and involves less risk to achieve higher revenue and hopefully profit. If, on the other hand you work with industry to develop the training they need and then the workforce they need, whilst also providing the physical infrastructure to support their work, that's how you create a skilled workforce and good domestic high value industry.

Or do you have another way?

[dpedin]

Announcement yesterday which is hardly covered anywhere in the news that I can see, investment of £410million in a new nuclear fusion development / demonstration plant in Nottinghamshire.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ion-energy

This funding is for 25-26, so one year's funding, and includes kicking off the engineering and construction contracts for the prototype plant, repurposing the JET reactor at Culham, a fusion fuel R&D facility and skilss development.

This is the drip feed of industrial strategy coming out. I'm expecting similar investments in other green energy areas (including sustainable aviation, energy storage), space, exascale computing, pharma, biotech, comms, PNT, advanced manufacturing, defence, etc.

The article uses the oft-quoted “holy grail “ and it really is.
It just always seems to twenty years away.

We should be using fission in the meantime and developing electric heating.

My mate, now retired, used to work for RR and is very, very confident from what he hears that the Small Nuclear Reactors in development will be the main answer moving forward and developments are well underway. Share price is doing well on back of it and he recommends buy. Heavy investment coming in from big IT companies who see them as the answer for powering AI centres. The days of big monolithic, expensive nuclear sites like Hinkley, and all the problems with ensuring the grid has capacity to move power around, are probably numbered as power generation - SNR, wind, solar, etc will move closer to demand and battery storage will improve dramatically over the next 10 years.

[Biffer]

So exactly the same then as truss & Kwasi , where there were increases but not double or more than every other country out there.

https://news.sky.com/story/plenty-of-co ... t-13285470

So Yeeb uses 'exactly the same' to mean 'completely different'.

Good to know.

[Biffer]

Also worth highlighting that the nuclear fusion research spills over into a huge number of high tech areas, not least robotics and autonomous systems. Past research has also influenced EVs, medical research and a whole host of other things. This is what deep tech research does.

[inactionman]

Announcement yesterday which is hardly covered anywhere in the news that I can see, investment of £410million in a new nuclear fusion development / demonstration plant in Nottinghamshire.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ion-energy

This funding is for 25-26, so one year's funding, and includes kicking off the engineering and construction contracts for the prototype plant, repurposing the JET reactor at Culham, a fusion fuel R&D facility and skilss development.

This is the drip feed of industrial strategy coming out. I'm expecting similar investments in other green energy areas (including sustainable aviation, energy storage), space, exascale computing, pharma, biotech, comms, PNT, advanced manufacturing, defence, etc.

The article uses the oft-quoted “holy grail “ and it really is.
It just always seems to twenty years away.

We should be using fission in the meantime and developing electric heating.

My mate, now retired, used to work for RR and is very, very confident from what he hears that the Small Nuclear Reactors in development will be the main answer moving forward and developments are well underway. Share price is doing well on back of it and he recommends buy. Heavy investment coming in from big IT companies who see them as the answer for powering AI centres. The days of big monolithic, expensive nuclear sites like Hinkley, and all the problems with ensuring the grid has capacity to move power around, are probably numbered as power generation - SNR, wind, solar, etc will move closer to demand and battery storage will improve dramatically over the next 10 years.

Good for RR, it's generally been in a slightly precarious position due to the nature of aircraft programmes - once they've developed the next instance of Trent for Airbus they ran the risk of redundancies if they didn't get involvement in the next programme. Expanding out makes sense as they have world-leading expertise in metallurgy and many other areas

And, on the skills front, their grad programme is outstanding - I ran a few small projects with their grads involved as the RR reps, and they were generally the most reliable, insightful and diligent members of the team. Helps they were pretty much all firsts from Oxbridge or Russell Group. (I'll admit I've lost track of their apprentice programme, that was excellent back in the day but I think it suffered with changes to government funding over the years?)

[Tichtheid]

Announcement yesterday which is hardly covered anywhere in the news that I can see, investment of £410million in a new nuclear fusion development / demonstration plant in Nottinghamshire.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ion-energy

This funding is for 25-26, so one year's funding, and includes kicking off the engineering and construction contracts for the prototype plant, repurposing the JET reactor at Culham, a fusion fuel R&D facility and skilss development.

This is the drip feed of industrial strategy coming out. I'm expecting similar investments in other green energy areas (including sustainable aviation, energy storage), space, exascale computing, pharma, biotech, comms, PNT, advanced manufacturing, defence, etc.

The article uses the oft-quoted “holy grail “ and it really is.
It just always seems to twenty years away.

We should be using fission in the meantime and developing electric heating.

My mate, now retired, used to work for RR and is very, very confident from what he hears that the Small Nuclear Reactors in development will be the main answer moving forward and developments are well underway. Share price is doing well on back of it and he recommends buy. Heavy investment coming in from big IT companies who see them as the answer for powering AI centres. The days of big monolithic, expensive nuclear sites like Hinkley, and all the problems with ensuring the grid has capacity to move power around, are probably numbered as power generation - SNR, wind, solar, etc will move closer to demand and battery storage will improve dramatically over the next 10 years.

Just as an aside - RR is Rolls Royce, aye?

My wife had to go to their factory just outside Chichester for work a few times. It was sunk into to ground so that it didn't interrupt the view from Goodwood house :-) The trees outside the factory are cut into perfect cubes and you could probably eat off the tarmac.

The cars parked outside were exceptional as you'd expect, lots of Beemers too due to the partnership. I actually felt a bit embarrassed in my 20 year old Galaxy when I dropped her off and picked her up.
https://www.press.rolls-roycemotorcars. ... anguage=en

[Biffer]

Announcement yesterday which is hardly covered anywhere in the news that I can see, investment of £410million in a new nuclear fusion development / demonstration plant in Nottinghamshire.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ion-energy

This funding is for 25-26, so one year's funding, and includes kicking off the engineering and construction contracts for the prototype plant, repurposing the JET reactor at Culham, a fusion fuel R&D facility and skilss development.

This is the drip feed of industrial strategy coming out. I'm expecting similar investments in other green energy areas (including sustainable aviation, energy storage), space, exascale computing, pharma, biotech, comms, PNT, advanced manufacturing, defence, etc.

The article uses the oft-quoted “holy grail “ and it really is.
It just always seems to twenty years away.

We should be using fission in the meantime and developing electric heating.

My mate, now retired, used to work for RR and is very, very confident from what he hears that the Small Nuclear Reactors in development will be the main answer moving forward and developments are well underway. Share price is doing well on back of it and he recommends buy. Heavy investment coming in from big IT companies who see them as the answer for powering AI centres. The days of big monolithic, expensive nuclear sites like Hinkley, and all the problems with ensuring the grid has capacity to move power around, are probably numbered as power generation - SNR, wind, solar, etc will move closer to demand and battery storage will improve dramatically over the next 10 years.

Yeah, it's been 20 years away for 50 years now.

And what you say at the end is how you start to see all of the pieces interacting - small nuclear ties into both the exascale and AI stuff. It's a large complex picture.

I've heard good things about the small reactors / reactors in a box as well, hopefully they can make it work.

I'll be very surprised if RR aren't tendering for the fusion stuff as well.

[Raggs]

Fusion is breaking boundaries consistently now though, with multiple approaches being tried with encouraging results. I'd still reckon we're 20 years away for another 10 years or so, but there are positive signs coming up all over.

[inactionman]

The article uses the oft-quoted “holy grail “ and it really is.
It just always seems to twenty years away.

We should be using fission in the meantime and developing electric heating.

My mate, now retired, used to work for RR and is very, very confident from what he hears that the Small Nuclear Reactors in development will be the main answer moving forward and developments are well underway. Share price is doing well on back of it and he recommends buy. Heavy investment coming in from big IT companies who see them as the answer for powering AI centres. The days of big monolithic, expensive nuclear sites like Hinkley, and all the problems with ensuring the grid has capacity to move power around, are probably numbered as power generation - SNR, wind, solar, etc will move closer to demand and battery storage will improve dramatically over the next 10 years.

Just as an aside - RR is Rolls Royce, aye?

My wife had to go to their factory just outside Chichester for work a few times. It was sunk into to ground so that it didn't interrupt the view from Goodwood house :-) The trees outside the factory are cut into perfect cubes and you could probably eat off the tarmac.

The cars parked outside were exceptional as you'd expect, lots of Beemers too due to the partnership. I actually felt a bit embarrassed in my 20 year old Galaxy when I dropped her off and picked her up.
https://www.press.rolls-roycemotorcars. ... anguage=en

Rolls-Royce Motor Cars is separate to the broader aviation, power and marine business - the cars bit is owned by BMW. The nuclear reactor stuff is part of the broader business that's under Rolls-Royce Holdings..

As you'd expect given engineer's wages, not too many shiny Rollers out the front of Filton or Derby, sadly!

[Yeeb]

The clue that Truss/Kamikwasi is nothing like Starmer/Reeves and the comparison is quite a sad bit of desperation on the part of the Tories ("We're all the same!!! They're as bad as us!!!"), is the entire UK government hasn't been forced to defenestrate itself to regain market confidence and save the UK economy. The PM is not Yvette Cooper.

Good for everyone else that Tories are determined to mention Truss every 10 minutes though. "We're all the same, all Truss level useless" ...

The similarity bit was what happened after truss resigned, the conversation was I thought about effects in borrowing costs - The conversation was talking about years and long term effects. It’s hard to keep up with you Labour types sometimes , but as long as you are happy the increases now and all the ministers quitting are totally different , that will keep your bobble hats bobbling.
Glad I sent you off on an Internet cut and paste though .

[Yeeb]

My mate, now retired, used to work for RR and is very, very confident from what he hears that the Small Nuclear Reactors in development will be the main answer moving forward and developments are well underway. Share price is doing well on back of it and he recommends buy. Heavy investment coming in from big IT companies who see them as the answer for powering AI centres. The days of big monolithic, expensive nuclear sites like Hinkley, and all the problems with ensuring the grid has capacity to move power around, are probably numbered as power generation - SNR, wind, solar, etc will move closer to demand and battery storage will improve dramatically over the next 10 years.

Just as an aside - RR is Rolls Royce, aye?

My wife had to go to their factory just outside Chichester for work a few times. It was sunk into to ground so that it didn't interrupt the view from Goodwood house :-) The trees outside the factory are cut into perfect cubes and you could probably eat off the tarmac.

The cars parked outside were exceptional as you'd expect, lots of Beemers too due to the partnership. I actually felt a bit embarrassed in my 20 year old Galaxy when I dropped her off and picked her up.
https://www.press.rolls-roycemotorcars. ... anguage=en

Rolls-Royce Motor Cars is separate to the broader aviation, power and marine business - the cars bit is owned by BMW. The nuclear reactor stuff is part of the broader business that's under Rolls-Royce Holdings..

As you'd expect given engineer's wages, not too many shiny Rollers out the front of Filton or Derby, sadly!

//globus mode on
My dad worked at the Derby plant back in his youth, his task involved dropping bolts and frozen chickens into running engines and then see how they break and using high speed cameras , this would be just after his national service.

[inactionman]

Just as an aside - RR is Rolls Royce, aye?

My wife had to go to their factory just outside Chichester for work a few times. It was sunk into to ground so that it didn't interrupt the view from Goodwood house :-) The trees outside the factory are cut into perfect cubes and you could probably eat off the tarmac.

The cars parked outside were exceptional as you'd expect, lots of Beemers too due to the partnership. I actually felt a bit embarrassed in my 20 year old Galaxy when I dropped her off and picked her up.
https://www.press.rolls-roycemotorcars. ... anguage=en

Rolls-Royce Motor Cars is separate to the broader aviation, power and marine business - the cars bit is owned by BMW. The nuclear reactor stuff is part of the broader business that's under Rolls-Royce Holdings..

As you'd expect given engineer's wages, not too many shiny Rollers out the front of Filton or Derby, sadly!

//globus mode on
My dad worked at the Derby plant back in his youth, his task involved dropping bolts and frozen chickens into running engines and then see how they break and using high speed cameras , this would be just after his national service.

I've never actually seen one of these tests live, but apparently the birds aren't frozen and they use different breeds for different tests - I gather Canada Geese are problem as they fly low for a while to take off and are candidates for getting ingested at aircraft takeoff. Again, apparently, some birds are bred specifically to be the target weight.

I think they did this out of Hucknall, so a little bit to the east of Derby. Suspect it's not there any more though.

[Sandstorm]

The FAA has a device for testing the strength of windshields on airplanes. They point this thing at the windshield of the aircraft and shoot a dead chicken at about the speed the air- craft normally flies at it. If the windshield doesn't break, it's likely to survive a real collision with a bird during flight.

The British had recently built a new locomotive that could pull a train faster than any before it. They were not sure that its windshield was strong enough so they borrowed the testing device from the FAA, reset it to approximate the maximum speed of the locomotive, loaded in the dead chicken, and fired. The bird went through the windshield, broke the engineer's chair, and made a major dent in the back wall of the engine cab.

They were quite surprised with this result, so they asked the FAA to check the test to see if everything was done correctly. The FAA checked everything and suggested that they might want to repeat the test using a thawed chicken.

[Tichtheid]

I've never actually seen one of these tests live, but apparently the birds aren't frozen and they use different breeds for different tests - I gather Canada Geese are problem as they fly low for a while to take off and are candidates for getting ingested at aircraft takeoff. Again, apparently, some birds are bred specifically to be the target weight.

I think they did this out of Hucknall, so a little bit to the east of Derby. Suspect it's not there any more though.

I head a story , which I always thought to be apocryphal, about this test being replicated in the US and they were having terrible trouble with it, the engine kept smashing to bits. They contacted RR and asked why, RR replied, "Defrost the chicken"

Ah, Sandy has told the same story, and yes, it was the windscreen right enough.

[_Os_]

The clue that Truss/Kamikwasi is nothing like Starmer/Reeves and the comparison is quite a sad bit of desperation on the part of the Tories ("We're all the same!!! They're as bad as us!!!"), is the entire UK government hasn't been forced to defenestrate itself to regain market confidence and save the UK economy. The PM is not Yvette Cooper.

Good for everyone else that Tories are determined to mention Truss every 10 minutes though. "We're all the same, all Truss level useless" ...

The similarity bit was what happened after truss resigned, the conversation was I thought about effects in borrowing costs - The conversation was talking about years and long term effects. It’s hard to keep up with you Labour types sometimes , but as long as you are happy the increases now and all the ministers quitting are totally different , that will keep your bobble hats bobbling.
Glad I sent you off on an Internet cut and paste though .

Why do you guys always think if someone hates the Tories for being useless then they must be hardcore Labour? 13 parties now have seats in the supposedly 2 party system, plus independents. About 5 parties with seats are loaded with supporters who hate the Tories. Which is why despite Labour's underwhelming start the Tories are now polling below their 2024 GE at around 20%. The Tories have actually managed to lose support over the last 6 months.

"This is just like Truss" is obvious garbage. If Tories keep repeating it whenever anything happens, in an obvious attempt to downplay and normalise Truss, then they're only going to keep reminding everyone how shit they were.

[Yeeb]

I've never actually seen one of these tests live, but apparently the birds aren't frozen and they use different breeds for different tests - I gather Canada Geese are problem as they fly low for a while to take off and are candidates for getting ingested at aircraft takeoff. Again, apparently, some birds are bred specifically to be the target weight.

I think they did this out of Hucknall, so a little bit to the east of Derby. Suspect it's not there any more though.

I head a story , which I always thought to be apocryphal, about this test being replicated in the US and they were having terrible trouble with it, the engine kept smashing to bits. They contacted RR and asked why, RR replied, "Defrost the chicken"

Ah, Sandy has told the same story, and yes, it was the windscreen right enough.

Yeah I’m probably mixing it up, my dad was there early 1950’s and they were kind of making stuff up as they went along with the tests and metallurgy.
Apparently a bolt passed through several blades before being sliced on half and destroying the engine behind it, observed by all these high speed cameras. There was another test as some engines were stalling when cannons were fired , was to do with gases I think - some aero buff like Torq will know more about it I’m sure.

After Derby he went into the engineering of magnets, spectra analysis of gases as various industrial processes and mining are given off, and ultimately designing fume cupboards for laboratory testing. Unknown if by then it included destroying jet engines or chickens ;)

He’s gone now anyways, fhhd

[Yeeb]

The clue that Truss/Kamikwasi is nothing like Starmer/Reeves and the comparison is quite a sad bit of desperation on the part of the Tories ("We're all the same!!! They're as bad as us!!!"), is the entire UK government hasn't been forced to defenestrate itself to regain market confidence and save the UK economy. The PM is not Yvette Cooper.

Good for everyone else that Tories are determined to mention Truss every 10 minutes though. "We're all the same, all Truss level useless" ...

The similarity bit was what happened after truss resigned, the conversation was I thought about effects in borrowing costs - The conversation was talking about years and long term effects. It’s hard to keep up with you Labour types sometimes , but as long as you are happy the increases now and all the ministers quitting are totally different , that will keep your bobble hats bobbling.
Glad I sent you off on an Internet cut and paste though .

Why do you guys always think if someone hates the Tories for being useless then they must be hardcore Labour? 13 parties now have seats in the supposedly 2 party system, plus independents. About 5 parties with seats are loaded with supporters who hate the Tories. Which is why despite Labour's underwhelming start the Tories are now polling below their 2024 GE at around 20%. The Tories have actually managed to lose support over the last 6 months.

"This is just like Truss" is obvious garbage. If Tories keep repeating it whenever anything happens, in an obvious attempt to downplay and normalise Truss, then they're only going to keep reminding everyone how shit they were.

For much the same reason you guys think if someone hates Labour they must be Tories.
There assurance that there is no parallel or valid comparison for almost any political or economic decision between the two main parties, is as baffling as it is amusing to me, on par with the usual Tories closed the mines & privatised the NHS bollocks. If it helps, I have a pretty low opinion of politicians full stop, until they prove otherwise (not just Uk ones) and haven’t voted Tory since Dcam.

One thing I do agree with you, is that any Tory in power really needs to avoid any truss reference or comparison , she was that bad. A counter to that though, should be Labour mps should also not use that as a yardstick measure as the honeymoon period has kind of lapsed.

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I've never actually seen one of these tests live, but apparently the birds aren't frozen and they use different breeds for different tests - I gather Canada Geese are problem as they fly low for a while to take off and are candidates for getting ingested at aircraft takeoff. Again, apparently, some birds are bred specifically to be the target weight.

I think they did this out of Hucknall, so a little bit to the east of Derby. Suspect it's not there any more though.

I head a story , which I always thought to be apocryphal, about this test being replicated in the US and they were having terrible trouble with it, the engine kept smashing to bits. They contacted RR and asked why, RR replied, "Defrost the chicken"

Ah, Sandy has told the same story, and yes, it was the windscreen right enough.

The other story about one of the tests was an occasion where the Ro-Ro technicians loaded the frozen bird in the apparatus then knocked off for a long lunch to let it thaw out. When the came back they fired up the turbine & launched the bird; but this time there was an distinct Meoooooooowwwww when they pressed the button.

A cat had smelt the bird & was helping itself to a meal, & they fired the bird & the cat into the turbine

I'm a little skeptical that a cat would sit still that close to a fired up gas turbine going full beans, but that was the story.

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The similarity bit was what happened after truss resigned, the conversation was I thought about effects in borrowing costs - The conversation was talking about years and long term effects. It’s hard to keep up with you Labour types sometimes , but as long as you are happy the increases now and all the ministers quitting are totally different , that will keep your bobble hats bobbling.
Glad I sent you off on an Internet cut and paste though .

Why do you guys always think if someone hates the Tories for being useless then they must be hardcore Labour? 13 parties now have seats in the supposedly 2 party system, plus independents. About 5 parties with seats are loaded with supporters who hate the Tories. Which is why despite Labour's underwhelming start the Tories are now polling below their 2024 GE at around 20%. The Tories have actually managed to lose support over the last 6 months.

"This is just like Truss" is obvious garbage. If Tories keep repeating it whenever anything happens, in an obvious attempt to downplay and normalise Truss, then they're only going to keep reminding everyone how shit they were.

For much the same reason you guys think if someone hates Labour they must be Tories.
There assurance that there is no parallel or valid comparison for almost any political or economic decision between the two main parties, is as baffling as it is amusing to me, on par with the usual Tories closed the mines & privatised the NHS bollocks. If it helps, I have a pretty low opinion of politicians full stop, until they prove otherwise (not just Uk ones) and haven’t voted Tory since Dcam.

One thing I do agree with you, is that any Tory in power really needs to avoid any truss reference or comparison , she was that bad. A counter to that though, should be Labour mps should also not use that as a yardstick measure as the honeymoon period has kind of lapsed.

Ah come on, we all know you're Tory leaning at the very least.

Truss is going to be mentioned by anyone who isn't a Tory for decades. MPs who aren't even born yet are going to remind people of "Truss blowing up the economy", if the Tories still exist by then. One of the Tory claims is only they can be trusted with the economy, it's hard to refute because it immediately becomes charts and a technical conversation. But the Truss event wasn't like that, it was immediate £ collapse and mortgages going up, then the Truss government being replaced to try and recover the situation. It's a handy one liner and undermines a lot of Tory claims. No one gives up a weapon like that.

The Tories are now rudderless and clueless. Mel Stride someone first elected in 2010 who went not very far since then, even with all the churn in the Tory ranks, is shadow chancellor. If they actually land any attacks on Reeves, they'll then be confronted with their star replacement being Stride. Issues they and their allies in the media have focused on are: Grooming gangs when Starmer is the guy who went out of his way to secure convictions according to anyone with any knowledge on the subject, reminding everyone of Liz Truss seemingly all the time, Chagos Islands which not many people care about and is the deciding voting issue for no one at all. It's a "barrage of nonsense" as Starmer said.

This has to be the most bereft of talent the Tories have ever been, worse than 1997-2001. Which I suspect is why Labour polling is holding up quite well even though the Starmer government is unpopular, they're still the least worst for a lot of people.

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People are going to throw back to Truss in the same way they do to Nixon in the USA