Tri Nations Test Argentina v NZ ‘Nero Fiddles’ thread.

[Ted.]

Yep, not at all confident in this side. Balance looks off.

Has Frizell been made the escape goat for our ineffective forward play?

Maybe the selectors watched this?



Whole video is good value (as usual), but 7:05-7:40 is the relevant passage for some truly brainless, lazy play from Frizell. Deserves to be dropped on that alone.

Yeah, that was poor. Some of the others, Tuipulotu in particular, also share the blame though. It all starts in the tight five.

The lack of pick n go to draw in the Argie defenders, in particular their forwards, is well illustrated too.

[Ted.]

Way too much woe on this thread. This team is easily good enough to beat the argies. It’s also fairly consistent with what appears to be our no.1 team which most fans have been screaming for.

Most fans have also been fairly consistent in their criticisms of that #1 team - namely an unbalanced loose trio, midfield the wrong way around, Jordie's not a winger, and Reiko's not a test midfielder.

I'll give Foster credit for sticking to his guns in what he clearly believes is his number #1 team, but I think it's entirely reasonable to criticise those selections after what it served up last time.

Correct.

It is not only the team but the game plan they play to. Though Foster does not seem to be big on admitting fault, hopefully that will have ben quietly changed for this outing.

[handyman]

NZ on the back foot, but I think for Argentina to win again will be a miracle. Can't wait for this.

[Carter's Choice]

So Jordie Barrett is now un-droppable? It's now his and Beaudie's team, yeah??

[Kiwias]

Jordie in the last 2 tests: 13 runs for 17 metres (3 runs for 2 metres in the last test). How many chances will he get?

Those figures sound more like an old-school prop but are disgraceful for a winger.

[sban052]

J.Barrett should be nowhere near the 23. However, I wouldn't judge just based on those stats. It's not like the tight five/backrow/halfbacks/midfield fired to give wingers space/freedom to make meters. I suspect any winger would have pretty dismal stats in the last test

[OomStruisbaai]

So Jordie Barrett is now un-droppable? It's now his and Beaudie's team, yeah??

You left out the other brother, oh vok he play for Kunterbury!

[Guy Smiley]

So Jordie Barrett is now un-droppable? It's now his and Beaudie's team, yeah??

You left out the other brother, oh vok he play for Kunterbury!

Imagine, for a second... that you were posting from somewhere that was manly enough, brave enough, organised and professional enough, to have managed to attend this rugby tournament.

But you aren’t. You’re posting from South Africa.

[handyman]

So Jordie Barrett is now un-droppable? It's now his and Beaudie's team, yeah??

You left out the other brother, oh vok he play for Kunterbury!

Imagine, for a second... that you were posting from somewhere that was manly enough, brave enough, organised and professional enough, to have managed to attend this rugby tournament.

But you aren’t. You’re posting from South Africa.

YES!!! Keep on keeping on.

[Lemoentjie]

Just seen the Argentina starting XV. Terrifyingly good back row. Kremer, Matera, Isa. Think NZ will win by 20.

[JM2K6]

Kremer did not have a happy time against the Wallabies. He missed a shit-ton of tackles and conceded a shit-ton of penalties. Will be interesting to see how he gets on here.

The NZ side insisting on players out of position and awkward combinations is so strange to me. Ardie's a great impact player but he's been struggling at 8, Jordie on the wing has not been a good time, Goodhue is a much lesser player at 12... and there's obvious solutions within with the squad for all of these.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

Kremer did not have a happy time against the Wallabies. He missed a shit-ton of tackles and conceded a shit-ton of penalties. Will be interesting to see how he gets on here.

The NZ side insisting on players out of position and awkward combinations is so strange to me. Ardie's a great impact player but he's been struggling at 8, Jordie on the wing has not been a good time, Goodhue is a much lesser player at 12... and there's obvious solutions within with the squad for all of these.

Welcome to the Ian Foster era. There's a reason why so many of us were dead against him being handed the head coaching job.

He's shithouse.

[Carter's Choice]

So having spent the last 5 years searching for our starting blindside flanker, Ian Foster continues to rotate players through this position? This time it's Akira Ioane getting another turn. This refusal to settle on a player to wear our no.6 jersey shouldn't surprise anyone, Ian Foster has been a selector for this entire period of indecision. And despite having access to arguably the world's greatest pool of players, Foster is still no closer to finding our blindside flanker. What the f**k is he doing? If Jordie Barrett keeps his place in the starting team surely Shannon Frizell is worth retaining given the the complete lack of success that the AB selectors have had in developing a no.6 since the 2015 RWC. Tbh the entire backrow lacks balance. Our starting trio consists of two openside flankers and a no.8 playing at 6. Wtf?!!

[FujiKiwi]

I think Frizell has been poor, though. I have been a big fan of his based on Super rugby form, but maybe he doesn’t have the goods.

Was Uncle FB right all along, perhaps?

[Carter's Choice]

I think Frizell has been poor, though. I have been a big fan of his based on Super rugby form, but maybe he doesn’t have the goods.

Was Uncle FB right all along, perhaps?

Has Frizell really been poor? And even if he has, surely given the debacle that the AB's have endured developing a no.6 it was worth giving him the entire shortened test season in 2020 to try and build his confidence? He's clearly the best blindside flanker in NZ, regardless of how he's played for the AB's. What players will perform when they are dropped every second week?

[Guy Smiley]

So having spent the last 5 years searching for our starting blindside flanker, Ian Foster continues to rotate players through this position? This time it's Akira Ioane getting another turn. This refusal to settle on a player to wear our no.6 jersey shouldn't surprise anyone, Ian Foster has been a selector for this entire period of indecision. And despite having access to arguably the world's greatest pool of players, Foster is still no closer to finding our blindside flanker. What the f**k is he doing? If Jordie Barrett keeps his place in the starting team surely Shannon Frizell is worth retaining given the the complete lack of success that the AB selectors have had in developing a no.6 since the 2015 RWC. Tbh the entire backrow lacks balance. Our starting trio consists of two openside flankers and a no.8 playing at 6. Wtf?!!

. Let’s just laugh at Ian Foster.

Laugh and laugh and laugh.

[Torquemada 1420]

team to be named in 5 minutes

I know you guys don't like Foster but to suggest he only spends 5 minutes selecting the team is stretching things. Even if results say otherwise.

[Wignu]

So having spent the last 5 years searching for our starting blindside flanker, Ian Foster continues to rotate players through this position? This time it's Akira Ioane getting another turn. This refusal to settle on a player to wear our no.6 jersey shouldn't surprise anyone, Ian Foster has been a selector for this entire period of indecision. And despite having access to arguably the world's greatest pool of players, Foster is still no closer to finding our blindside flanker. What the f**k is he doing? If Jordie Barrett keeps his place in the starting team surely Shannon Frizell is worth retaining given the the complete lack of success that the AB selectors have had in developing a no.6 since the 2015 RWC. Tbh the entire backrow lacks balance. Our starting trio consists of two openside flankers and a no.8 playing at 6. Wtf?!!

. Let’s just laugh at Ian Foster.

Laugh and laugh and laugh.

And then just laugh at some of the Saffa posters trying to be relevant in a match thread.

[Sandstorm]

And then just laugh at some of the Saffa posters trying to be relevant in a match thread.

Don't be bitter. According to Sam Cane, we're just as moronic as the Kiwi fans on here.

[handyman]

And then just laugh at some of the Saffa posters trying to be relevant in a match thread.

Don't be bitter. According to Sam Cane, we're just as moronic as the Kiwi fans on here.

Let's be honest for a sec, we're all just fans arguing about our teams. We will never know as much about rugby as Erasmus and to a lesser degree Foster.

[FujiKiwi]

I think Frizell has been poor, though. I have been a big fan of his based on Super rugby form, but maybe he doesn’t have the goods.

Was Uncle FB right all along, perhaps?

Has Frizell really been poor? And even if he has, surely given the debacle that the AB's have endured developing a no.6 it was worth giving him the entire shortened test season in 2020 to try and build his confidence? He's clearly the best blindside flanker in NZ, regardless of how he's played for the AB's. What players will perform when they are dropped every second week?

He’s had 13 tests and had no impact.

Akira Ioane had more impact in 13 minutes.

[FujiKiwi]

And then just laugh at some of the Saffa posters trying to be relevant in a match thread.

Don't be bitter. According to Sam Cane, we're just as moronic as the Kiwi fans on here.

Let's be honest for a sec, we're all just fans arguing about our teams. We will never know as much about rugby as Erasmus and to a lesser degree Foster.

Kiwi posters do know more than Foster on key selection issues.

[Carter's Choice]

I think Frizell has been poor, though. I have been a big fan of his based on Super rugby form, but maybe he doesn’t have the goods.

Was Uncle FB right all along, perhaps?

Has Frizell really been poor? And even if he has, surely given the debacle that the AB's have endured developing a no.6 it was worth giving him the entire shortened test season in 2020 to try and build his confidence? He's clearly the best blindside flanker in NZ, regardless of how he's played for the AB's. What players will perform when they are dropped every second week?

He’s had 13 tests and had no impact.

Akira Ioane had more impact in 13 minutes.

Akira made no impact in 13 mins, please stop with your dishonest revisionism. Plus he's a lazy, fat wanker with an attitude problem.

[FujiKiwi]

Akira has had more impact than Shannon Frizell in a black jersey. That’s not even up for debate.

[Carter's Choice]

Akira has had more impact than Shannon Frizell in a black jersey. That’s not even up for debate.

In an AB jersey? That's entirely up for debate. Or are you talking about 7's?

[OomStruisbaai]

So Jordie Barrett is now un-droppable? It's now his and Beaudie's team, yeah??

You left out the other brother, oh vok he play for Kunterbury!

Imagine, for a second... that you were posting from somewhere that was manly enough, brave enough, organised and professional enough, to have managed to attend this rugby tournament.

But you aren’t. You’re posting from South Africa.

Do you know how many Cape Kunterbury All Blacks supporters lives in South Africa? Feel from them lately, its some time our towns are black on a saturday.

[FujiKiwi]

Frizell has shone at Super rugby for a couple of seasons, but has been utterly toothless at international level. We might have to face the fact that he's a flat track bully.

For all his faults, when given his opportunity, Akira Ioane brushed the KFC from his unkempt beard, pulled on the black jersey and had a storming fifteen minutes till he had to come off through no fault of his own. He just might be the real deal.

[handyman]

Don't be bitter. According to Sam Cane, we're just as moronic as the Kiwi fans on here.

Let's be honest for a sec, we're all just fans arguing about our teams. We will never know as much about rugby as Erasmus and to a lesser degree Foster.

Kiwi posters do know more than Foster on key selection issues.

Only in your own head, but Foster has been a professional coach for 18 years, has 148 caps for Waikato and 28 caps for the Chiefs. Trust me on this, he knows way more about rugby than you. Sure, he's had a rocky start, but time in the seat will fix that.

[FujiKiwi]

Let's be honest for a sec, we're all just fans arguing about our teams. We will never know as much about rugby as Erasmus and to a lesser degree Foster.

Kiwi posters do know more than Foster on key selection issues.

Only in your own head, but Foster has been a professional coach for 18 years, has 148 caps for Waikato and 28 caps for the Chiefs. Trust me on this, he knows way more about rugby than you. Sure, he's had a rocky start, but time in the seat will fix that.

This is bollix. His caps for an NPC team and the Chiefs are irrelevant. Players don't make good coaches. A lot of them are chumps when it comes to coaching and selecting. His record as a head coach is dreadful.
Kiwi boredies know better than Foster. Notice how we disagree violently on a lot of things, but are nearly unanimous that Foster is shit. That is because he is.

[OomStruisbaai]

Let's be honest for a sec, we're all just fans arguing about our teams. We will never know as much about rugby as Erasmus and to a lesser degree Foster.

Kiwi posters do know more than Foster on key selection issues.

Only in your own head, but Foster has been a professional coach for 18 years, has 148 caps for Waikato and 28 caps for the Chiefs. Trust me on this, he knows way more about rugby than you. Sure, he's had a rocky start, but time in the seat will fix that.

Yep he is a real Cow Beller. After this weekend the lot from Kunterbury will flounce. All Blacks will destroy the Pumas.

[Steve]

Morgan Tuirinui made a comment on the rugby ruckus podcast last week ( worth subscribing to ).

He said “historically Allblack teams don’t lose because of tactics , they lose the game at the selection table “

[handyman]

Kiwi posters do know more than Foster on key selection issues.

Only in your own head, but Foster has been a professional coach for 18 years, has 148 caps for Waikato and 28 caps for the Chiefs. Trust me on this, he knows way more about rugby than you. Sure, he's had a rocky start, but time in the seat will fix that.

This is bollix. His caps for an NPC team and the Chiefs are irrelevant. Players don't make good coaches. A lot of them are chumps when it comes to coaching and selecting. His record as a head coach is dreadful.
Kiwi boredies know better than Foster. Notice how we disagree violently on a lot of things, but are nearly unanimous that Foster is shit. That is because he is.

I call bollocks. Erasmus was a great rugby player, he is turning out to be a great coach as well. He was strong enough to get the coaching team that he wanted, SARU supported him and the players started to perform under him.

Perhaps all that Foster needs is the players to do the job and pitch up with the right attitude.

[stemoc]

Morgan Tuirinui made a comment on the rugby ruckus podcast last week ( worth subscribing to ).

He said “historically Allblack teams don’t lose because of tactics , they lose the game at the selection table “

pretty true...one wrong player in the backs and you lose 2 in a row :P

[Turbster]

So having spent the last 5 years searching for our starting blindside flanker, Ian Foster continues to rotate players through this position? This time it's Akira Ioane getting another turn. This refusal to settle on a player to wear our no.6 jersey shouldn't surprise anyone, Ian Foster has been a selector for this entire period of indecision. And despite having access to arguably the world's greatest pool of players, Foster is still no closer to finding our blindside flanker. What the f**k is he doing? If Jordie Barrett keeps his place in the starting team surely Shannon Frizell is worth retaining given the the complete lack of success that the AB selectors have had in developing a no.6 since the 2015 RWC. Tbh the entire backrow lacks balance. Our starting trio consists of two openside flankers and a no.8 playing at 6. Wtf?!!

At the same time as Frizell has been made the fall guy for the Argie loss, you guys should go back and watch the first 15-20 minutes of the game, he was at least putting his hand up and carrying while others, who have not perished, were 'resting.'

[Torquemada 1420]

For the rest of us, the sight of all this keewee infighting is some indication that, for the moment, the invincibility button is off. And mighty pleased we are about it too!

[JM2K6]

He was certainly trying.

Frizell vs Argentina (80mins): 9 carries for 7m, 1 defender beaten, 4 tackles made, 1 missed, 1 turnover conceded, 1 penalty conceded
Ioane vs Australia (29mins): 3 carries for 15m, 2 defenders beaten, 5 tackles made, 0 missed, 0 turnovers/pens conceded

[Sandstorm]

He was certainly trying.

Frizell vs Argentina (80mins): 4 tackles made,

Christ, his primary job is tackling!

[Torquemada 1420]

Is Frizell the White Thorne? I think we should be told.

[Guy Smiley]

Frizell has shone at Super rugby for a couple of seasons, but has been utterly toothless at international level. We might have to face the fact that he's a flat track bully.

For all his faults, when given his opportunity, Akira Ioane brushed the KFC from his unkempt beard, pulled on the black jersey and had a storming fifteen minutes till he had to come off through no fault of his own. He just might be the real deal.

He came off at about the 30 minute mark. I don’t know what filter you watch rugby through but I’m guessing it smells like bullshit. Your posting reflects that.

[Flockwitt]

He was certainly trying.

Frizell vs Argentina (80mins): 9 carries for 7m, 1 defender beaten, 4 tackles made, 1 missed, 1 turnover conceded, 1 penalty conceded
Ioane vs Australia (29mins): 3 carries for 15m, 2 defenders beaten, 5 tackles made, 0 missed, 0 turnovers/pens conceded

This. Frizell was anonymous in the previous game. It's time to give Akira another shot, that's one decision that the coaching team have got correct. Frizell has been given his chance. He didn't take it. Come back in another year and see where he's at.

Goodhue at 12 I'm not fussed with either. If Razor is playing him there and that's where the combination with Richie is then the wails and moans about the fact he should be a 13 can be ignored.

As for the rest of it, I don't care if it's a win or a loss, but the ABs have to play well. There are zero excuses for a poor performance.