Tri Nations Test Argentina v NZ ‘Nero Fiddles’ thread.

[Ymx]

Think bridge is out of the 23 tbh. It’s him or Jordan. Jordie has a point of difference they clearly value.

Late night surprise Macdonalds? If not, I'm not seeing it.

[ScarfaceClaw]

Is Will Greenwood on drugs?

[mrbrownstone]

What would our best team be with the Barretts on the bench?

11. Clarke
14. Reece
15. Jordan

Might go alright.

What about a fit Bridge?

You've twisted my arm.

10. Mo'unga
11. Bridge
12. Goodhue
13. Ennor
14. Jordan
15. Havili

23. Reece

[FujiKiwi]

Havili is a fine player. But he’s not quick.

Quicker than Jordie though.

[Wild Beef]

Still rather have Jordie on early to make the long distance penalty an option earlier. Scoreboard pressure. The vast majority of ab penalties come early.

He missed his long distance rather badly.

Plus, I'd rather we had a decent attack early on myself.

We tend to lose when we get behind and don't hit back to early on in matches.

And mo missed a sitter, it happens. Jordie has a long range kicking game, we’ve seen enough kicks from him to know it.

I also think Jordie should kick for touch. He has a huge punt.

[Wild Beef]

Think bridge is out of the 23 tbh. It’s him or Jordan. Jordie has a point of difference they clearly value.

Late night surprise Macdonalds? If not, I'm not seeing it.

He is the new McCaw on kick offs. He is the target on cross kicks (helps if they are decent). He has a huge punt and he can kick 60m penalties.

That’s his point of difference. He is also fucking slow for a winger. Which is highly unusual for an all black

[Ymx]

11. Clarke
14. Reece
15. Jordan

Might go alright.

What about a fit Bridge?

You've twisted my arm.

10. Mo'unga
11. Bridge
12. Goodhue
13. Ennor
14. Jordan
15. Havili

23. Reece

But what happens if Foster gets badly injured? Or goes "missing".

[FujiKiwi]

You don’t just include a player in your team if they have a great punt but almost everything else about them is a drawback.

[Monkey Magic]

Think bridge is out of the 23 tbh. It’s him or Jordan. Jordie has a point of difference they clearly value.

Late night surprise Macdonalds? If not, I'm not seeing it.

He is the new McCaw on kick offs. He is the target on cross kicks (helps if they are decent). He has a huge punt and he can kick 60m penalties.

That’s his point of difference. He is also fucking slow for a winger. Which is highly unusual for an all black

Do we think he has the gas to have scored the tries Jordan got tonight?

Best thing about Jordan is he is an outside back who scores tries, Howlett used to be the same, he just keeps scoring tries

[Ymx]

Late night surprise Macdonalds? If not, I'm not seeing it.

He is the new McCaw on kick offs. He is the target on cross kicks (helps if they are decent). He has a huge punt and he can kick 60m penalties.

That’s his point of difference. He is also fucking slow for a winger. Which is highly unusual for an all black

Do we think he has the gas to have scored the tries Jordan got tonight?

Best thing about Jordan is he is an outside back who scores tries, Howlett used to be the same, he just keeps scoring tries

We've missed that in our wings. Howlett was great at always being positioned perfectly, and enough pace to finish it. Our wingers have not had such longevity since.

[Steve]

Jordan is like an early Beauden. The ball bounces his way and everything comes off. He has the hot hand and pace solves a lot of problems for you in any given situation . They didn’t lay a hand on him .

[Wild Beef]

You don’t just include a player in your team if they have a great punt but almost everything else about them is a drawback.

Yeah well it isn’t is it? He was the best 15 in super rugby aotearoa.

[Gumboot]

Still rather have Jordie on early to make the long distance penalty an option earlier. Scoreboard pressure. The vast majority of ab penalties come early.

He missed his long distance rather badly.

Plus, I'd rather we had a decent attack early on myself.

We tend to lose when we get behind and don't hit back to early on in matches.

And mo missed a sitter, it happens. Jordie has a long range kicking game, we’ve seen enough kicks from him to know it.

I also think Jordie should kick for touch. He has a huge punt.

Yep, and unlike Mo'unga he doesn't regularly kick penalty ball away into touch in goal.

[Steve]

We havnt seen line breaks like that all season .

Every time it got kicked deep Barrett etc just kicked it back . You need a threat at 15.

[Tussock]

Jordan at 15 please. BB on bench... possibly with Jordie on bench. Clarke & Reece (fallen out of favour) on wings.

[Wild Beef]

We havnt seen line breaks like that all season .

Every time it got kicked deep Barrett etc just kicked it back . You need a threat at 15.

You forget Clarke’s debut already?

[Trapper]

You don’t just include a player in your team if they have a great punt but almost everything else about them is a drawback.

Yeah, I’d rather have a player that scores tries for fun than a bloke with a huge punt. Any. Day. Of.The. Week.

[Steve]

We havnt seen line breaks like that all season .

Every time it got kicked deep Barrett etc just kicked it back . You need a threat at 15.

You forget Clarke’s debut already?

To be honest he has dined out on those two runs for 6 matches.

He butchered one against oz and butchered 2 today. He shanked a marked kick about 5 yards into touch . He scored a two yarder against Argentina in garbage time . That’s it.

If you want to be Jonah then you have to cross the chalk every now and then for a 5 pointer.

[Steve]

The back three has been all hammer ( inflatable hammer unfortunately)

Jordan brought some scalpel.

[Wild Beef]

We havnt seen line breaks like that all season .

Every time it got kicked deep Barrett etc just kicked it back . You need a threat at 15.

You forget Clarke’s debut already?

To be honest he has dined out on those two runs for 6 matches.

He butchered one against oz and butchered 2 today. He shanked a marked kick about 5 yards into touch . He scored a two yarder against Argentina in garbage time . That’s it.

If you want to be Jonah then you have to cross the chalk every now and then for a 5 pointer.

I don’t disagree tbh, just making a point. Both Jordie and Clarke have largely been unable to transfer their form. That seems true of most of the team though.

Its quite possibly that if Jordan makes it as a starter, he replaces Clarke and not Jordie.

[Gumboot]

Beauden Barrett hasn't scored a single test try this year. Nothing from the boot, either. Zero points from five tests.

[Longshanks]

Impressive revenge that.
Well done AB

[Steve]

Beauden Barrett hasn't scored a single test try this year. Nothing from the boot, either. Zero points from six tests.

I don’t blame him to be honest . He’s not running the cutter and he isn’t an 80 minute FB. He’s a move to FB for the last 15 mins guy.

Although he should have stayed in Wellington . He ambled around this year like a veteran singer on a farewell tour. Except like Bob Dylan he won’t play any of his hits .

[Steve]

Beauden Barrett hasn't scored a single test try this year. Nothing from the boot, either. Zero points from five tests.

That must affect him too . No points week to week. He’s used to being in the headlines . He scored 4 tries against OZ in a match and had a 5th disallowed from flyhalf !

I know he shovels a lot of ball lately but on form he really fixes the backrows attention . Especially of set pieces. Remember his tries against Ireland in Aviva or Namibia in World Cup . Just caught it first phase and gassed everyone to the line . Same for one of his 4 tries against OZ. When he’s on , it’s carnage.

He was only 12 or so tries off howletts record and drew a duck egg for a whole season . Shame

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

Beauden hasn’t been consistently good since 2016. There’s a suspicious correlation between All Black matches featuring Scott Barrett and games they have ignominiously lost. And Jordie is slow.

Good Super Rugby players all. I hope they team up at the Blues one day. But there’s no room for all three in a starting AB line up.

I totally agree.

Spare a thought for Richie Mo'unga, who is consistently compared to 2016 World Rugby Player of the Year Beauden Barrett. A standard Barrett himself has fallen well short of ever since. And that's if anyone even rated that turkey of a fanboi award.

[stemoc]

What would our best team be with the Barretts on the bench?

11. Clarke
14. Reece
15. Jordan

Might go alright.

What about a fit Bridge?

no player has ever returned from long term injury at 100%.. just ask NMS..

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

38 - 0.

Nicely done, All Blacks.

Might mosey on over to PR to check the fallout.

[Ted.]

Mate a hat trick would legit make me livid. Can you imagine the crusaders lot on here over summer?

Just mention Akira, he'll vomit.

[Steve]

11. Clarke
14. Reece
15. Jordan

Might go alright.

What about a fit Bridge?

no player has ever returned from long term injury at 100%.. just ask NMS..

Manu Tuilagi had the same injury ad it took him ages to get right.

[Steve]

What about a fit Bridge?

no player has ever returned from long term injury at 100%.. just ask NMS..

Manu Tuilagi had the same injury and it took him ages to get right.

[Ted.]

Paper over cracks. Need a better opposition to tell all that but if Akira can hold back the dickheadedness he's in for mine.

Forwards certainly worked a lot harder at tackle/ruck time than in earlier matches, so I would take that regardless of the opposition.

They were also very effective at set piece. Coles earned the right to run down the tram lines.

Better in the loose, too, but I'm still worried bu the imbalance of the starting trio. By rights, purely on tonight's performance, the starting loosies should be Ioane, Savea and Sotutu, with Sam cane backing up 6 and 7.

Our halves are also still playing like dickheads, and I include BB in that mix. Mo was particularly poor. Though I reckon that, collectively, is all down to Foster/ Kick kick kick kick.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

Paper over cracks. Need a better opposition to tell all that but if Akira can hold back the dickheadedness he's in for mine.

Forwards certainly worked a lot harder at tackle/ruck time than in earlier matches, so I would take that regardless of the opposition.

They were also very effective at set piece. Coles earned the right to run down the tram lines.

Better in the loose, too, but I'm still worried bu the imbalance of the starting trio. By rights, purely on tonight's performance, the starting loosies should Ioane, Savea and Sotutu, with Same cane backing up 6 and 7.

Our halves are also still playing like dickheads, and I include BB in that mix. Mo was particularly poor. Though I reckon that, collectively, is all down to Foster/ Kick kick kick kick.

Fuck me are you serious? He was close to our best back.

Be sure to send BB fan mail in Japan won't you.

[Ted.]

Forwards certainly worked a lot harder at tackle/ruck time than in earlier matches, so I would take that regardless of the opposition.

They were also very effective at set piece. Coles earned the right to run down the tram lines.

Better in the loose, too, but I'm still worried bu the imbalance of the starting trio. By rights, purely on tonight's performance, the starting loosies should Ioane, Savea and Sotutu, with Same cane backing up 6 and 7.

Our halves are also still playing like dickheads, and I include BB in that mix. Mo was particularly poor. Though I reckon that, collectively, is all down to Foster/ Kick kick kick kick.

Fuck me are you serious? He was close to our best back.

Be sure to send BB fan mail in Japan won't you.

Mo? Out best back? Yes, from a very low bar, but even then you'd need to be deranged to come up with the streaming pile of opinionated bilge. Cross filed kicks, bombs, running sideways and backwards. That was just BBB, Mo was worse.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

They were also very effective at set piece. Coles earned the right to run down the tram lines.

Better in the loose, too, but I'm still worried bu the imbalance of the starting trio. By rights, purely on tonight's performance, the starting loosies should Ioane, Savea and Sotutu, with Same cane backing up 6 and 7.

Our halves are also still playing like dickheads, and I include BB in that mix. Mo was particularly poor. Though I reckon that, collectively, is all down to Foster/ Kick kick kick kick.

Fuck me are you serious? He was close to our best back.

Be sure to send BB fan mail in Japan won't you.

Mo? Out best back? Yes, from a very low bar, but even then you'd need to be deranged to come up with the streaming pile of opinionated bilge. Cross filed kicks, bombs, running sideways and backwards. That was just BBB, Mo was worse.

Fuck me the Canes mafia is out in force.

The only Barrett who should be starting, ironically, is Scott. He was industrious today, while his brothers were kicking the ball away and doing 2/3 of fuck all.

Will Jordan came on and reminded us all what Jordie isn't. An outside back with pace.

Beauden meanwhile once again dicked around doing fuck all, looking like a shadow of the 2016 WORLD RUGBY PLAYER OF THE YEAR his fans masturbate to and by the way isn't a real award anyway. A popular vote players get pissed to and vote on for laughs.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

They were also very effective at set piece. Coles earned the right to run down the tram lines.

Better in the loose, too, but I'm still worried bu the imbalance of the starting trio. By rights, purely on tonight's performance, the starting loosies should Ioane, Savea and Sotutu, with Same cane backing up 6 and 7.

Our halves are also still playing like dickheads, and I include BB in that mix. Mo was particularly poor. Though I reckon that, collectively, is all down to Foster/ Kick kick kick kick.

Fuck me are you serious? He was close to our best back.

Be sure to send BB fan mail in Japan won't you.

Mo? Out best back? Yes, from a very low bar, but even then you'd need to be deranged to come up with the streaming pile of opinionated bilge. Cross filed kicks, bombs, running sideways and backwards. That was just BBB, Mo was worse.

Don't be disingenuous Ted. After setting up the opening try for Coles, kicking a couple of crackers from the sideline and generally marshalling the backline division well, you're never going to rate Mo'unga are you?

You'll claim on your deathbed Jackson Garden-Bachop was always the better option.

At least be honest with the Not Planet Rugby crew. You're a rusted on Hurricanes tragic.

[Ted.]

Fuck me are you serious? He was close to our best back.

Be sure to send BB fan mail in Japan won't you.

Mo? Out best back? Yes, from a very low bar, but even then you'd need to be deranged to come up with the streaming pile of opinionated bilge. Cross filed kicks, bombs, running sideways and backwards. That was just BBB, Mo was worse.

Fuck me the Canes mafia is out in force.

The only Barrett who should be starting, ironically, is Scott. He was industrious today, while his brothers were kicking the ball away and doing 2/3 of fuck all.

Will Jordan came on and reminded us all what Jordie isn't. An outside back with pace.

Beauden meanwhile once again dicked around doing fuck all, looking like a shadow of the 2016 WORLD RUGBY PLAYER OF THE YEAR his fans masturbate to and by the way isn't a real award anyway. A popular vote players get pissed to and vote on for laughs.

Sorry, Jimmy, where did I praise Barrett or elevate him over Mo. One comment please, just one, or shut the fuck up.

The truth is, neither were especially good. In fact, both were poor.

Now, put your knee jerk, inferiority complex away, everyone is looking at it.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

Mo? Out best back? Yes, from a very low bar, but even then you'd need to be deranged to come up with the streaming pile of opinionated bilge. Cross filed kicks, bombs, running sideways and backwards. That was just BBB, Mo was worse.

Fuck me the Canes mafia is out in force.

The only Barrett who should be starting, ironically, is Scott. He was industrious today, while his brothers were kicking the ball away and doing 2/3 of fuck all.

Will Jordan came on and reminded us all what Jordie isn't. An outside back with pace.

Beauden meanwhile once again dicked around doing fuck all, looking like a shadow of the 2016 WORLD RUGBY PLAYER OF THE YEAR his fans masturbate to and by the way isn't a real award anyway. A popular vote players get pissed to and vote on for laughs.

Sorry, Jimmy, where did I praise Barrett or elevate him over Mo. One comment please, just one, or shut the fuck up.

The truth is, neither were especially good. In fact, both were poor.

Now, put your knee jerk, inferiority complex away, everyone is looking at it.

Had to be said, Ted. Beauden fans wank on about his TWO rugby player of the year awards, both gathering dust and neither reflecting a player genuinely tested by rush defence at 10.

Mo;unga had a good game today. We won't miss Beauden much next year, and Jordan should have been starting ahead of cart horse Jordie weeks ago.

[Ymx]

R Mo was not great today at certain visible aspects of his game. Namely his kicking from hand.

[FujiKiwi]

Jimmy, RMo made some really dumb sideways/backwards runs tonight.

At best, it was a mixed bag.

It wasn’t great.

[Torquemada 1420]

First one was great positioning, great low pick up, and lovely running line with acceleration.

Second one was excellent intercept which was very well handled.

Last one, the break, was simply brilliant foot skills.

But, anyone would have got them. Anyway, you've some weird double down thing going on.

Affirmation bias runs strong in this one Luke.