Tri Nations Test Argentina v NZ ‘Nero Fiddles’ thread.

[Carter's Choice]

My take on the match;

This test was won and lost at the set piece. Our dominance at scrum time and at the lineout translated into huge territorial and possession advantages. Former Canterbury prop Nepo Lauala has for years been the 2nd best scrummaging TH prop in New Zealand behind Owen Franks for many years, and it's great that Ian Foster is finally realising this by starting him in the no.3 jersey.

Our lineout looked as good as it has all season. Targeting Akira Ioane for much of the match was great, because it was unexpected. Scott Barrett has never been a world class lineout target but he is arguably the best lifter in the country, and he certainly allowed Whitelock and Ioane to dominate in the air.

At the breakdown, we were vastly improved in a fortnight ago. This was as much about tactics as it was about attitude and technique. 2 weeks ago we played 3 distinct pods of forwards spread far and wide across the field. This meant we struggled to get numbers to any ruck. This weekend our pods were much closer together. Whilst this narrowed our attack (its test match rugby not SR) it also allowed us to get greater numbers to every breakdown. The ruck contest isn't just about numbers though. We dominated territory and possession which fatgued the Pumas loosies, and we were also going forward much more effectively, which is a huge advantage at the breakdown contest.

Akira Ioane had the best match I've seen him play. And it was mainly because he was allowed to be involved. He was our main lineout target, and you could see his confidence grow every time he won a lineout. His running game was sold if not spectacular, but that's to be expected as he was running much tighter channels than he has historically done at SR or provincial level. He wasn't loitering out on the wing. Defensively Akira Ioane was very strong and his play of the day was the clever strip on a Pumas runner just 5 metres out from our own tryline to effect a steal. Akira was also more disciplined than I have ever seen him, and didn't get sucked in by the Pumas niggle late in the match. He was a key part of a vastly improved backrow.

Our worst performer was clearly Jordie Barrett. He dropped the ball twice when any other winger in NZ would have scored tries, and overall he looked slow, unco-ordinated and desperately low on confidence. That was the worst performance I have ever seen from a starting All Blacks winger. The difference Will Jordan made on the right wing when he came on, and JB was moved to the left wise, was instant and dramatic.

There are still huge questions to ask abuout our midfield. Jack Goodhue and Anton Lienart-Brown are both excellent players, but they just aren't clicking as a duo. Watching Goodhue being used as a battering ram against the strong Pumas defensive system seemed like a waste of his skills and talents. They look like they are both out of position and would prefer to be wearing each other's jersey number. The best All Black midfields are balanced, and the Goodhue/ALB combinations still lacks balance at this stage.

Overall a very satisfying way to end a strange year.

[Ted.]

Fuck me the Canes mafia is out in force.

The only Barrett who should be starting, ironically, is Scott. He was industrious today, while his brothers were kicking the ball away and doing 2/3 of fuck all.

Will Jordan came on and reminded us all what Jordie isn't. An outside back with pace.

Beauden meanwhile once again dicked around doing fuck all, looking like a shadow of the 2016 WORLD RUGBY PLAYER OF THE YEAR his fans masturbate to and by the way isn't a real award anyway. A popular vote players get pissed to and vote on for laughs.

Sorry, Jimmy, where did I praise Barrett or elevate him over Mo. One comment please, just one, or shut the fuck up.

The truth is, neither were especially good. In fact, both were poor.

Now, put your knee jerk, inferiority complex away, everyone is looking at it.

Had to be said, Ted. Beauden fans wank on about his TWO rugby player of the year awards, both gathering dust and neither reflecting a player genuinely tested by rush defence at 10.

Mo;unga had a good game today. We won't miss Beauden much next year, and Jordan should have been starting ahead of cart horse Jordie weeks ago.

Again, please don't put words into my mouth with regard to this game. It's fundamentally dishonest.

[Ted.]

My take on the match;

This test was won and lost at the set piece. Our dominance at scrum time and at the lineout translated into huge territorial and possession advantages. Former Canterbury prop Nepo Lauala has for years been the 2nd best scrummaging TH prop in New Zealand behind Owen Franks for many years, and it's great that Ian Foster is finally realising this by starting him in the no.3 jersey.

Our lineout looked as good as it has all season. Targeting Akira Ioane for much of the match was great, because it was unexpected. Scott Barrett has never been a world class lineout target but he is arguably the best lifter in the country, and he certainly allowed Whitelock and Ioane to dominate in the air.

At the breakdown, we were vastly improved in a fortnight ago. This was as much about tactics as it was about attitude and technique. 2 weeks ago we played 3 distinct pods of forwards spread far and wide across the field. This meant we struggled to get numbers to any ruck. This weekend our pods were much closer together. Whilst this narrowed our attack (its test match rugby not SR) it also allowed us to get greater numbers to every breakdown. The ruck contest isn't just about numbers though. We dominated territory and possession which fatgued the Pumas loosies, and we were also going forward much more effectively, which is a huge advantage at the breakdown contest.

Akira Ioane had the best match I've seen him play. And it was mainly because he was allowed to be involved. He was our main lineout target, and you could see his confidence grow every time he won a lineout. His running game was sold if not spectacular, but that's to be expected as he was running much tighter channels than he has historically done at SR or provincial level. He wasn't loitering out on the wing. Defensively Akira Ioane was very strong and his play of the day was the clever strip on a Pumas runner just 5 metres out from our own tryline to effect a steal. Akira was also more disciplined than I have ever seen him, and didn't get sucked in by the Pumas niggle late in the match. He was a key part of a vastly improved backrow.

Our worst performer was clearly Jordie Barrett. He dropped the ball twice when any other winger in NZ would have scored tries, and overall he looked slow, unco-ordinated and desperately low on confidence. That was the worst performance I have ever seen from a starting All Blacks winger. The difference Will Jordan made on the right wing when he came on, and JB was moved to the left wise, was instant and dramatic.

There are still huge questions to ask abuout our midfield. Jack Goodhue and Anton Lienart-Brown are both excellent players, but they just aren't clicking as a duo. Watching Goodhue being used as a battering ram against the strong Pumas defensive system seemed like a waste of his skills and talents. They look like they are both out of position and would prefer to be wearing each other's jersey number. The best All Black midfields are balanced, and the Goodhue/ALB combinations still lacks balance at this stage.

Overall a very satisfying way to end a strange year.

I'll add that it also sucked in more Argentinian defenders, allowing either supporting ball runners or our half-backs the option to probe the fringes with fewer large forwards waiting the crunch them.

Not a perfect game by any means, some of the kicking and reception (from theirs and our own) was sloppy, but at least we mixed our kicks up a little more with the short ones.

Just swap Goodhue and ALB, they'll come right in time.

Next year's Soup Rugby form aside, do we start Jordan next game, or bring him off the bench again. He great impact, but having that penetration would also be nice from the beginning. Perhaps BB back to the bench as impact and Jordie to 15, if his form in that position holds?

[Carter's Choice]

Just been reading post match comments about this match on this forum, PR and TSF. It's funny how partisan and parochial NZ supporters have become. 90% of posters across all three forums took the opportunity to praise players from their franchise or province, and criticise players from opposing franchises/provinces. Confirmation bias at its worst. Reading the TSF was funny, almost every poster attacking Richie Mo'unga's performance. We just recorded our biggest ever win over Argentina, and he kicked 6/7 from the tee, ffs.

[Kiwias]

Watching it again today, one thing that stood out was the varied lines of attack in the backs, with one flat line and several runners in a deeper line. This made it difficult for the Argie defense and was something we had not really seen from Foster up till now. As others have pointed out, the lcak of coordination in the backs is still a worry.

[FujiKiwi]

The pendulum swings the other way too far though, with some posters claiming that Mo'unga can do no wrong. He has his weaknesses and is fair game for criticism.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

My take on the match;

This test was won and lost at the set piece. Our dominance at scrum time and at the lineout translated into huge territorial and possession advantages. Former Canterbury prop Nepo Lauala has for years been the 2nd best scrummaging TH prop in New Zealand behind Owen Franks for many years, and it's great that Ian Foster is finally realising this by starting him in the no.3 jersey.

Our lineout looked as good as it has all season. Targeting Akira Ioane for much of the match was great, because it was unexpected. Scott Barrett has never been a world class lineout target but he is arguably the best lifter in the country, and he certainly allowed Whitelock and Ioane to dominate in the air.

At the breakdown, we were vastly improved in a fortnight ago. This was as much about tactics as it was about attitude and technique. 2 weeks ago we played 3 distinct pods of forwards spread far and wide across the field. This meant we struggled to get numbers to any ruck. This weekend our pods were much closer together. Whilst this narrowed our attack (its test match rugby not SR) it also allowed us to get greater numbers to every breakdown. The ruck contest isn't just about numbers though. We dominated territory and possession which fatgued the Pumas loosies, and we were also going forward much more effectively, which is a huge advantage at the breakdown contest.

Akira Ioane had the best match I've seen him play. And it was mainly because he was allowed to be involved. He was our main lineout target, and you could see his confidence grow every time he won a lineout. His running game was sold if not spectacular, but that's to be expected as he was running much tighter channels than he has historically done at SR or provincial level. He wasn't loitering out on the wing. Defensively Akira Ioane was very strong and his play of the day was the clever strip on a Pumas runner just 5 metres out from our own tryline to effect a steal. Akira was also more disciplined than I have ever seen him, and didn't get sucked in by the Pumas niggle late in the match. He was a key part of a vastly improved backrow.

Our worst performer was clearly Jordie Barrett. He dropped the ball twice when any other winger in NZ would have scored tries, and overall he looked slow, unco-ordinated and desperately low on confidence. That was the worst performance I have ever seen from a starting All Blacks winger. The difference Will Jordan made on the right wing when he came on, and JB was moved to the left wise, was instant and dramatic.

There are still huge questions to ask abuout our midfield. Jack Goodhue and Anton Lienart-Brown are both excellent players, but they just aren't clicking as a duo. Watching Goodhue being used as a battering ram against the strong Pumas defensive system seemed like a waste of his skills and talents. They look like they are both out of position and would prefer to be wearing each other's jersey number. The best All Black midfields are balanced, and the Goodhue/ALB combinations still lacks balance at this stage.

Overall a very satisfying way to end a strange year.

I'll add that it also sucked in more Argentinian defenders, allowing either supporting ball runners or our half-backs the option to probe the fringes with fewer large forwards waiting the crunch them.

Not a perfect game by any means, some of the kicking and reception (from theirs and our own) was sloppy, but at least we mixed our kicks up a little more with the short ones.

Just swap Goodhue and ALB, they'll come right in time.

Next year's Soup Rugby form aside, do we start Jordan next game, or bring him off the bench again. He great impact, but having that penetration would also be nice from the beginning. Perhaps BB back to the bench as impact and Jordie to 15, if his form in that position holds?

You contradict yourself though Ted. Crediting the team for mixing up the kicks and then this.

They were also very effective at set piece. Coles earned the right to run down the tram lines.

Better in the loose, too, but I'm still worried bu the imbalance of the starting trio. By rights, purely on tonight's performance, the starting loosies should be Ioane, Savea and Sotutu, with Sam cane backing up 6 and 7.

Our halves are also still playing like dickheads, and I include BB in that mix. Mo was particularly poor. Though I reckon that, collectively, is all down to Foster/ Kick kick kick kick.

Kick kick kick kick indeed.

From the guy who got 6/7 including a couple of humdingers from the sideline.

The Barrett fanbois compare 2020 Mo'unga to 2016 Barrett.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

The pendulum swings the other way too far though, with some posters claiming that Mo'unga can do no wrong. He has his weaknesses and is fair game for criticism.

Can do no wrong? No way. The 7/10 from Aaron Goile was about right.

"Aimless kicking" from people who should know better on Twatter though? Come on. The guy got 6/7 and was just about the best AB back on the park.

He gets hung out to dry because he's not Barrett from 2016. And no one is. Including Barrett.

[Carter's Choice]

The pendulum swings the other way too far though, with some posters claiming that Mo'unga can do no wrong. He has his weaknesses and is fair game for criticism.

I can point you to fifty posts across those three forums made in the past 24 hours featuring posters trolling Mo'unga. And not a single post suggesting "he can do no wrong". Your posts is the equivalent to Trump's 'There are good people on both sides' remark. Mo'unga kicked 6/7 and people are trolling his goal kicking ffs.

[Wild Beef]

I haven’t seen complaints on his goal kicking, more his kicking in general play.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

I haven’t seen complaints on his goal kicking, more his kicking in general play.

What about Barrett's? He was in there are first receiver having a good go quite a lot too.

[Wild Beef]

I haven’t seen complaints on his goal kicking, more his kicking in general play.

What about Barrett's? He was in there are first receiver having a good go quite a lot too.

What about Barrett? What about Barrett??

His kicking was shit too but we’re not discussing him. No one is defending Barrett, not even me.

[FujiKiwi]

The pendulum swings the other way too far though, with some posters claiming that Mo'unga can do no wrong. He has his weaknesses and is fair game for criticism.

I can point you to fifty posts across those three forums made in the past 24 hours featuring posters trolling Mo'unga. And not a single post suggesting "he can do no wrong". Your posts is the equivalent to Trump's 'There are good people on both sides' remark. Mo'unga kicked 6/7 and people are trolling his goal kicking ffs.

Exaggerate, much?

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

Watching the replay now. There was moment in the 43rd minute when ALB was first receiver and had an overlap on the left and chose to flick it inside, which was a terrible mistake when the ABS had numbers to burn out wide.

I guarantee you that the Mo'unga critics chalked that up to him rather than Anton. The other brown guy.

[Ymx]

But I’ve got to say R Mo is nothing like Barrett of yesteryear. Say 2016.

[Carter's Choice]

Watching the replay now. There was moment in the 43rd minute when ALB was first receiver and had an overlap on the left and chose to flick it inside, which was a terrible mistake when the ABS had numbers to burn out wide.

I guarantee you that the Mo'unga critics chalked that up to him rather than Anton. The other brown guy.

Something interesting to note is that Anton Lienart-Brown is never cirticised for anything. He literally never gets criticsed. It's always Mo'unga's fault or Goodhue's fault.

[Carter's Choice]

The pendulum swings the other way too far though, with some posters claiming that Mo'unga can do no wrong. He has his weaknesses and is fair game for criticism.

I can point you to fifty posts across those three forums made in the past 24 hours featuring posters trolling Mo'unga. And not a single post suggesting "he can do no wrong". Your posts is the equivalent to Trump's 'There are good people on both sides' remark. Mo'unga kicked 6/7 and people are trolling his goal kicking ffs.

Exaggerate, much?

Not really. There have been hundreds of anti-Mo'unga post on the internet since the match, and literally no-one has said that he can do no wrong. Yet you have tried to establish equivalance.

We will never know how good Mo'unga can be as a test no.10 until he is given a chance to play without his predecessor BB undermining him at every opportunity from fullback. This isn't Mo'unga's team, and never has been. It's Beauden Barrett's.

[Wild Beef]

Watching the replay now. There was moment in the 43rd minute when ALB was first receiver and had an overlap on the left and chose to flick it inside, which was a terrible mistake when the ABS had numbers to burn out wide.

I guarantee you that the Mo'unga critics chalked that up to him rather than Anton. The other brown guy.

Racist accusations now? Maybe log-off for the night.

[Ted.]

My take on the match;

This test was won and lost at the set piece. Our dominance at scrum time and at the lineout translated into huge territorial and possession advantages. Former Canterbury prop Nepo Lauala has for years been the 2nd best scrummaging TH prop in New Zealand behind Owen Franks for many years, and it's great that Ian Foster is finally realising this by starting him in the no.3 jersey.

Our lineout looked as good as it has all season. Targeting Akira Ioane for much of the match was great, because it was unexpected. Scott Barrett has never been a world class lineout target but he is arguably the best lifter in the country, and he certainly allowed Whitelock and Ioane to dominate in the air.

At the breakdown, we were vastly improved in a fortnight ago. This was as much about tactics as it was about attitude and technique. 2 weeks ago we played 3 distinct pods of forwards spread far and wide across the field. This meant we struggled to get numbers to any ruck. This weekend our pods were much closer together. Whilst this narrowed our attack (its test match rugby not SR) it also allowed us to get greater numbers to every breakdown. The ruck contest isn't just about numbers though. We dominated territory and possession which fatgued the Pumas loosies, and we were also going forward much more effectively, which is a huge advantage at the breakdown contest.

Akira Ioane had the best match I've seen him play. And it was mainly because he was allowed to be involved. He was our main lineout target, and you could see his confidence grow every time he won a lineout. His running game was sold if not spectacular, but that's to be expected as he was running much tighter channels than he has historically done at SR or provincial level. He wasn't loitering out on the wing. Defensively Akira Ioane was very strong and his play of the day was the clever strip on a Pumas runner just 5 metres out from our own tryline to effect a steal. Akira was also more disciplined than I have ever seen him, and didn't get sucked in by the Pumas niggle late in the match. He was a key part of a vastly improved backrow.

Our worst performer was clearly Jordie Barrett. He dropped the ball twice when any other winger in NZ would have scored tries, and overall he looked slow, unco-ordinated and desperately low on confidence. That was the worst performance I have ever seen from a starting All Blacks winger. The difference Will Jordan made on the right wing when he came on, and JB was moved to the left wise, was instant and dramatic.

There are still huge questions to ask abuout our midfield. Jack Goodhue and Anton Lienart-Brown are both excellent players, but they just aren't clicking as a duo. Watching Goodhue being used as a battering ram against the strong Pumas defensive system seemed like a waste of his skills and talents. They look like they are both out of position and would prefer to be wearing each other's jersey number. The best All Black midfields are balanced, and the Goodhue/ALB combinations still lacks balance at this stage.

Overall a very satisfying way to end a strange year.

I'll add that it also sucked in more Argentinian defenders, allowing either supporting ball runners or our half-backs the option to probe the fringes with fewer large forwards waiting the crunch them.

Not a perfect game by any means, some of the kicking and reception (from theirs and our own) was sloppy, but at least we mixed our kicks up a little more with the short ones.

Just swap Goodhue and ALB, they'll come right in time.

Next year's Soup Rugby form aside, do we start Jordan next game, or bring him off the bench again. He great impact, but having that penetration would also be nice from the beginning. Perhaps BB back to the bench as impact and Jordie to 15, if his form in that position holds?

You contradict yourself though Ted. Crediting the team for mixing up the kicks and then this.

They were also very effective at set piece. Coles earned the right to run down the tram lines.

Better in the loose, too, but I'm still worried bu the imbalance of the starting trio. By rights, purely on tonight's performance, the starting loosies should be Ioane, Savea and Sotutu, with Sam cane backing up 6 and 7.

Our halves are also still playing like dickheads, and I include BB in that mix. Mo was particularly poor. Though I reckon that, collectively, is all down to Foster/ Kick kick kick kick.

Kick kick kick kick indeed.

From the guy who got 6/7 including a couple of humdingers from the sideline.

The Barrett fanbois compare 2020 Mo'unga to 2016 Barrett.

Stating one doesn't necessarily preclude the other. I've also formed a slightly different view on reflection from what I had last night, you see I'm happy to concede to other peoples points or change my mind on second viewing. However, I still hold the view that the bombs and cross kicks were generally poor.

I'm also forming the view that you're just a partisan hypocrite. Calling other people fanboys while going in to bat hard for your favourites and getting your nose out of joint at the slightest criticism. For whatever reason, you seem to be overly sensitive.

[Guy Smiley]

You clowns are all on some sort of hallucinogens.

While mildly jealous, I’m also deeply relieved I missed out.

[Ted.]

I haven’t seen complaints on his goal kicking, more his kicking in general play.

What about Barrett's? He was in there are first receiver having a good go quite a lot too.

What about Barrett? What about Barrett??

His kicking was shit too but we’re not discussing him. No one is defending Barrett, not even me.

Well I was. I called his kicking shit, or poor, or words to that effect. But good old Jimmy two shoes was too busy bunching his knickers to notice.

[Ted.]

You clowns are all on some sort of hallucinogens.

While mildly jealous, I’m also deeply relieved I missed out.

No, really! Mo wasn't that bad.

[FujiKiwi]

I can point you to fifty posts across those three forums made in the past 24 hours featuring posters trolling Mo'unga. And not a single post suggesting "he can do no wrong". Your posts is the equivalent to Trump's 'There are good people on both sides' remark. Mo'unga kicked 6/7 and people are trolling his goal kicking ffs.

Exaggerate, much?

Not really. There have been hundreds of anti-Mo'unga post on the internet since the match, and literally no-one has said that he can do no wrong. Yet you have tried to establish equivalance.

We will never know how good Mo'unga can be as a test no.10 until he is given a chance to play without his predecessor BB undermining him at every opportunity from fullback. This isn't Mo'unga's team, and never has been. It's Beauden Barrett's.

Your ongoing character assassination of Beauden Barrett, portraying him as a sinister mastermind seeking to ruin the team for his own selfish gain, overshadows a couple of bordies complaining that Richie ran a bit too much sideways the other night.

[Carter's Choice]

Your ongoing character assassination of Beauden Barrett, portraying him as a sinister mastermind seeking to ruin the team for his own selfish gain, overshadows a couple of bordies complaining that Richie ran a bit too much sideways the other night.

Tbh I don't blame BB for trying to reclaim the 10 jersey by slotting into first receiver whenever he can. Ian Foster has given him the opportunity to do this. The flawed 'dual playmaker' setup has been designed and persisted with solely and wholly to keep BB happy and stop him from throwing a tantrum.

[FujiKiwi]

Your ongoing character assassination of Beauden Barrett, portraying him as a sinister mastermind seeking to ruin the team for his own selfish gain, overshadows a couple of bordies complaining that Richie ran a bit too much sideways the other night.

Tbh I don't blame BB for trying to reclaim the 10 jersey by slotting into first receiver whenever he can. Ian Foster has given him the opportunity to do this. The flawed 'dual playmaker' setup has been designed and persisted with solely and wholly to keep BB happy and stop him from throwing a tantrum.

This is utter bullshit.

[Sandstorm]

Your ongoing character assassination of Beauden Barrett, portraying him as a sinister mastermind seeking to ruin the team for his own selfish gain, overshadows a couple of bordies complaining that Richie ran a bit too much sideways the other night.

Tbh I don't blame BB for trying to reclaim the 10 jersey by slotting into first receiver whenever he can. Ian Foster has given him the opportunity to do this. The flawed 'dual playmaker' setup has been designed and persisted with solely and wholly to keep BB happy and stop him from throwing a tantrum.

This is utter bullshit.

Jeez, even I agree with FK. Bollocks statement by AC

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

Watching the replay now. There was moment in the 43rd minute when ALB was first receiver and had an overlap on the left and chose to flick it inside, which was a terrible mistake when the ABS had numbers to burn out wide.

I guarantee you that the Mo'unga critics chalked that up to him rather than Anton. The other brown guy.

Racist accusations now? Maybe log-off for the night.

Fuck off dickhead. Not being able to distinguish between the brown guys. That's the joke.

Any Kiwi on this forum knows I pick on merit, not skin colour.

[Carter's Choice]

Your ongoing character assassination of Beauden Barrett, portraying him as a sinister mastermind seeking to ruin the team for his own selfish gain, overshadows a couple of bordies complaining that Richie ran a bit too much sideways the other night.

Tbh I don't blame BB for trying to reclaim the 10 jersey by slotting into first receiver whenever he can. Ian Foster has given him the opportunity to do this. The flawed 'dual playmaker' setup has been designed and persisted with solely and wholly to keep BB happy and stop him from throwing a tantrum.

This is utter bullshit.

You can swear all you like, but there is no logical reason to play BB at 15, and persist with the failed 'dual playmaker' experiment other than to keep BB happy. Honest question, what play did BB make last night? What opportunities did he create for other players? Because he pushed his way into first receiver quite often, what was the positive impact of these forays?

[Gumboot]

Nothing brings the country together quite like a 38-0 win.

[Carter's Choice]

Jeez, even I agree with FK. Bollocks statement by AC

You've never agreed with anything I have ever posted on the internet. And please f**k off from this match thread, your team chose to stay home. They chose the cowards option.

[Sandstorm]

Jeez, even I agree with FK. Bollocks statement by AC

You've never agreed with anything I have ever posted on the internet. And please f**k off from this match thread, your team chose to stay home. They chose the cowards option.

[FujiKiwi]

Tbh I don't blame BB for trying to reclaim the 10 jersey by slotting into first receiver whenever he can. Ian Foster has given him the opportunity to do this. The flawed 'dual playmaker' setup has been designed and persisted with solely and wholly to keep BB happy and stop him from throwing a tantrum.

This is utter bullshit.

You can swear all you like, but there is no logical reason to play BB at 15, and persist with the failed 'dual playmaker' experiment other than to keep BB happy. Honest question, what play did BB make last night? What opportunities did he create for other players? Because he pushed his way into first receiver quite often, what was the positive impact of these forays?

Does this make him a Machiavellian prima donna holding the national team to ransom?

[Carter's Choice]

Does this make him a Machiavellian prima donna holding the national team to ransom?

Now who is being a bit dramatic?

He's not trying to hold the team to ransom. But he is trying to win back his 10 jersey, and he's doing that by inserting himself into first receiver whenever he can. No other first five in All Black history has ever had to put up with what Richie Mo'unga is currently having to put up with. A full back who has been given permission by the coach to jump into the first five position whenever he wants to. This is a disaster, and it is impacting on the entire team.

[FujiKiwi]

You really think Beauden Barrett is a scumbag. Good on you for putting it out there on the internet and standing by it.

[Carter's Choice]

You really think Beauden Barrett is a scumbag. Good on you for putting it out there on the internet and standing by it.

Strange comment. When did I ever say he's a scumbag? I said he wants to win back his coveted and much loved All Black no.10 jersey.

[FujiKiwi]

You really think Beauden Barrett is a scumbag. Good on you for putting it out there on the internet and standing by it.

Strange comment. When did I ever say he's a scumbag? I said he wants to win back his coveted and much loved All Black no.10 jersey.

No, no. Stand by your claim. Have the courage of your convictions. Beauden Barrett is undermining his team mate to selfishly get his favored position back. .

[Carter's Choice]

You really think Beauden Barrett is a scumbag. Good on you for putting it out there on the internet and standing by it.

Strange comment. When did I ever say he's a scumbag? I said he wants to win back his coveted and much loved All Black no.10 jersey.

No, no. Stand by your claim. Have the courage of your convictions. Beauden Barrett is undermining his team mate to selfishly get his favored position back. .

Agreed. But that's not the same as calling him a "scumbag".

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

You really think Beauden Barrett is a scumbag. Good on you for putting it out there on the internet and standing by it.

Strange comment. When did I ever say he's a scumbag? I said he wants to win back his coveted and much loved All Black no.10 jersey.

No, no. Stand by your claim. Have the courage of your convictions. Beauden Barrett is undermining his team mate to selfishly get his favored position back. .

I'm not sure why he is so keen on doing so, All he ever does at 10 is shovel it on. Time and time and time and time and time again.

Beauden Barrett has the tactical nous of a flea.

[FujiKiwi]

Strange comment. When did I ever say he's a scumbag? I said he wants to win back his coveted and much loved All Black no.10 jersey.

No, no. Stand by your claim. Have the courage of your convictions. Beauden Barrett is undermining his team mate to selfishly get his favored position back. .

Agreed. But that's not the same as calling him a "scumbag".

Really? Where many of us see Beauden as a nice enough guy, past his prime perhaps, playing to a flawed game plan, you see him as a man who would cold-bloodedly stab a team mate in the back and sabotage the team performance just get his own way. No wonder your posts about him are dripping with hate. If I thought a player was stooping that low, I'd hate them too.

[Guy Smiley]

I get that some of you NEED to sling shit at each other. I understand the primal urge to smear your own faeces over your surroundings, I get that it stems from a deep seated and abiding lack of belief in yourself that borders on self hate...

I’m cool with all that if it floats your boat. Go for it. Fill yer boots...

but openly lying about what one poster has said, written there so we can all see it, the original statement and your blatant misrepresentation of it...

that’s weird. It’s sick. It’s perverted.

Kindly stop it. All of you.

Weird fuckers.