Tri Nations Test Argentina v NZ ‘Nero Fiddles’ thread.

[Ymx]

Nothing brings the country together quite like a 38-0 win.

[Ymx]

That game read like a book

Chapters 1-3 really showed the dominance of the good guys in the opening scenes in the trenches.
Chapters 4-5 built on this with aerial conflict battles.
Chapters 6-8 the SAS shredded the enemy with the captain leading troops in many decisive yet bloodied battles.
Chapters 9,10 were a bit more of a roller coaster with the main character making good ground, but also hitting adversity having to follow the flawed battle plan of his incompetent admiral.
11-13 were a bit sanguine and the author needed to rewrite this and swap a few bits around to improve the story here.
14 was the absolute low point of the book, and looked like all was lost.
15. I found didn’t develop the story much and instead kept dipping back to chapter 10 too much
16-22 were a bit of a blur in the midst of the final battle
23. The final chapter was sweet sweet glory where the new hero, who’d been locked away until now from battle by the evil corrupt incompetent admiral finally came through, stunned, and swept the troops to a decisive comprehensive victory.
Epilogue. The admiral received multiple decorative awards from the defence dept and was kept in charge for the upcoming sequel.


Well, yes, it was much funnier in my head.

[FujiKiwi]

Prologue comes before.

The one at the end is called the epilogue.

[Ymx]

Amended, cheers, feel free to add.

Wasn’t sure what to make of the captain in chapter 7, defending his controversial sacrificial methods to those know nothings back home who weren’t there.

[Turbster]

My takeaways:
I must 'eat crow' I think, as Akira Ioane was monstrous. A 9/10 effort.
The greatest challenge will be to develop the next generation of 9's. Fakatava, Roe and TTT I guess, because at least two will be needed for RWC.
ALB and Goody must look at either being swapped, or playing inside and outside centres to see if we can get the best back out of them.
Jordy is not a wing. Jordan is, end of!
Has Codie Taylor regressed a little on this trip?

[Dan54]

Does this make him a Machiavellian prima donna holding the national team to ransom?

Now who is being a bit dramatic?

He's not trying to hold the team to ransom. But he is trying to win back his 10 jersey, and he's doing that by inserting himself into first receiver whenever he can. No other first five in All Black history has ever had to put up with what Richie Mo'unga is currently having to put up with. A full back who has been given permission by the coach to jump into the first five position whenever he wants to. This is a disaster, and it is impacting on the entire team.

Genuine question , how do you know he has been given permission to jump in whenever he wants? You are not making things up surely? So who gives you the information from inside the AB camp?
I have usually been a fan of dual playmaker, works bloody well for England I reckon, but still not sure if it is making RMo a little unsure, I would hope not because he is a bloody good enough 10 to have confidence regardless who is coming into backline. I said at beginning of year I would pick BB on bench and maybe it is way to go, I not real sure he that suited to 15, so maybe just let them both play at different times, and have a 2nd 5/8 style player rather than an inside centre?(If you know what I mean)

[Jb1981]

Does this make him a Machiavellian prima donna holding the national team to ransom?

Now who is being a bit dramatic?

He's not trying to hold the team to ransom. But he is trying to win back his 10 jersey, and he's doing that by inserting himself into first receiver whenever he can. No other first five in All Black history has ever had to put up with what Richie Mo'unga is currently having to put up with. A full back who has been given permission by the coach to jump into the first five position whenever he wants to. This is a disaster, and it is impacting on the entire team.

Genuine question , how do you know he has been given permission to jump in whenever he wants? You are not making things up surely?

Does anyone else use the “dual playmaker” label the way we do? Having options in the backline isn’t new, nor is a good fullback knowing when to inject themselves. Maybe Hansen thought he’d invented something and had to name it but in doing so I think we overplay it.

[obelixtim]

Now who is being a bit dramatic?

He's not trying to hold the team to ransom. But he is trying to win back his 10 jersey, and he's doing that by inserting himself into first receiver whenever he can. No other first five in All Black history has ever had to put up with what Richie Mo'unga is currently having to put up with. A full back who has been given permission by the coach to jump into the first five position whenever he wants to. This is a disaster, and it is impacting on the entire team.

Genuine question , how do you know he has been given permission to jump in whenever he wants? You are not making things up surely?

Does anyone else use the “dual playmaker” label the way we do? Having options in the backline isn’t new, nor is a good fullback knowing when to inject themselves. Maybe Hansen thought he’d invented something and had to name it but in doing so in doing so I think we overplay it.

We've always had good playmakers at the back. Hewson, Cully, Bin Smith, Izzy, spring to mind as players who could join the line and cut other teams up. It didn't need a new name like "dual playmakers".

[Carter's Choice]

Does this make him a Machiavellian prima donna holding the national team to ransom?

Now who is being a bit dramatic?

He's not trying to hold the team to ransom. But he is trying to win back his 10 jersey, and he's doing that by inserting himself into first receiver whenever he can. No other first five in All Black history has ever had to put up with what Richie Mo'unga is currently having to put up with. A full back who has been given permission by the coach to jump into the first five position whenever he wants to. This is a disaster, and it is impacting on the entire team.

Genuine question , how do you know he has been given permission to jump in whenever he wants? You are not making things up surely?

That's what he does. He jumps into first receiver whenever he feels like it. I have eyes and I have watched every AB test this season. I don't need a confirmation email from your beloved Ian Foster to tell me what I can plainly see.

[Wild Beef]

Now who is being a bit dramatic?

He's not trying to hold the team to ransom. But he is trying to win back his 10 jersey, and he's doing that by inserting himself into first receiver whenever he can. No other first five in All Black history has ever had to put up with what Richie Mo'unga is currently having to put up with. A full back who has been given permission by the coach to jump into the first five position whenever he wants to. This is a disaster, and it is impacting on the entire team.

Genuine question , how do you know he has been given permission to jump in whenever he wants? You are not making things up surely?

That's what he does. He jumps into first receiver whenever he feels like it. I have eyes and I have watched every AB test this season. I don't need a confirmation email from your beloved Ian Foster to tell me what I can plainly see.

This can’t be true, as if BB is trying to undermine the abs by reclaiming the ten jumper, and he is jumping in whenever he feels like it, shouldn’t he be doing it a shitload more than he is?

[Trapper]

The minute I saw BB holding the ball to kick off the match I’m thinking wtf. Why does he feel the need to do that. Same with drop outs, it’s not like RMo is Cruden when it comes to distance, I just don’t get it. It’s not a job that needs to be shared it’s the role of the 10. CC is right, RMo is not being given the responsibility of leading this team, something he’s been very good at with the Crusaders, I don’t know how he feels about it but when I was playing and someone decides they were occasionally get in and do my role it used to fuck me off no end.

[Wild Beef]

The minute I saw BB holding the ball to kick off the match I’m thinking wtf. Why does he feel the need to do that. Same with drop outs, it’s not like RMo is Cruden when it comes to distance, I just don’t get it. It’s not a job that needs to be shared it’s the role of the 10. CC is right, RMo is not being given the responsibility of leading this team, something he’s been very good at with the Crusaders, I don’t know how he feels about it but when I was playing and someone decides they were occasionally get in and do my role it used to fuck me off no end.

Who says it’s Barrett’s decision? And why is it the role of the ten? It’s that kind of thinking that can hold a team back from using its resources most efficiently. BB probably practices the kick off in training if it’s his role. I don’t think mounga would give a shit tbh.

The one thing I think we need to see more of is Jordie taking penalty touchfinders. There is no doubt he is better than the other two.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

A fair assessment by William Hewett of Newshub.

1-Joe Moody 6
Was part of a dominant All Blacks scrum and forward pack in his 50th match. Made five runs and won three scrum penalties.
Subbed off in 56th minute.
2-Dane Coles 7
A much-improved performance from the Hurricanes rake. He finished off the first try impressively and his lineout operated well.
Coles got involved with the ball in hand with three runs, before he was subbed off in 59th minute.
3-Nepo Laulala 8
Was hungry to get involved in his first start of the year. He carried the ball well with seven runs and was part of the dominant New Zealand scrum that won three penalties.
4-Scott Barrett 6
He was determined to make the most of his first start of the year and went looking for work. He had 12 runs for 41 metres gained, as well as making four tackles.
5-Sam Whitelock 6
The quietest of the All Blacks forwards. He had seven runs and the lineout was significantly better from last time out under his command.
Subbed off in 62nd minute.
6-Akira Ioane 9
He was the All Black's best, physical with the ball in hand, as he tried to impose himself. Was the go-to man at lineout time.
Ioane made a critical steal to stop a Pumas attack at the start of the second-half. Subbed off in 65th minute.
7-Sam Cane 6
A quiet first half, but came alive in the second stanza. He had one poor moment, when he was held up in the tackle inside his own 22.
Made eight runs and won a crucial turnover in the second half.
8-Ardie Savea 8
Was the busiest of the All Blacks players with 15 runs. He set Lienert-Brown free with a great offload and finished his try strongly, opening the floodgates for the All Blacks.
9-Aaron Smith 6
As always, provided the All Blacks with great service. He had one strong run off the back of a scrum, but otherwise a quiet night.
Subbed off in 59th minute.
10-Richie Mo'unga 7
Enjoyed the dominance of the All Blacks forward pack and looked dangerous with the ball in hand. He provided variety to the attack with his kicking game and great distribution.
11-Caleb Clarke 8
After a quiet game last time out, Clarke was at his bulldozing best, with 12 runs for 76 metres. Got over the advantage line with every run and solid under the high ball.
Subbed off in the 64th minute.
12-Jack Goodhue 5
A quiet first-half for Goodhue, but was much improved in the second half and had six runs. Questions still remain whether he's our answer at No.12 or if a bigger body is needed, as he continued his quiet series overall.
13-Anton Lienert-Brown 7
He had his busiest game of the year, making five runs for 37 metres gained, with one great line-break.
Subbed off in 53rd minute.
14-Jordie Barrett 6
He had a great first half and was hungry for work. The Hurricanes man made eight runs for 46 metres and was solid under the high ball.
15-Beauden Barrett 7
The Blues man injected himself into the game at perfect moments, especially in the first half. Looked dangerous with the ball in hand and was much better when he put boot to ball.
6-Codie Taylor 4
Subbed on in the 59th minute. Wasn't noticed until he gave away a stupid penalty for poor discipline, as the siren went.
Slightly ruined much-improved All Blacks discipline.
17-Karl Tu'inukuafe 6
Subbed on in the 56th minute. He made an immediate impact with a strong tackle.
Had a strong carry that almost led to a try, but was held up over the line.
18-Tyrel Lomax 4
Subbed on in the 56th minute. Had three strong carries, but ruined his evening with a sloppy yellow card - was lucky not to be red - with a forearm to the head.
19-Patrick Tuipulotu 6
Subbed on in the 62nd minute. He capped off a terrific team performance, when he finished off a great try.
20-Hoskins Sotutu 5
Subbed on in the 65th minute. The Blues No.8 handled the ball on two occasions with strong carries.
21-TJ Perenara 5
Subbed on in the 59th minute. A poor pass stalled the All Blacks attack early in his spell. Provided good service, but wasn't really noticed.
22-Rieko Ioane 5
Subbed on in the 53rd minute. A beautiful pass to put Tuipulotu through a massive hole to score All Blacks final try, but otherwise didn't make an impact.
23-Will Jordan 7
Subbed on in the 64th minute and made a huge impact in his short spell. He pounced on a loose ball when he scored his first All Blacks try, then got his second just two minutes later with an intercept.
He made four runs for 125 metres gained.

[Wild Beef]

Needs to acknowledge the shitty kicking by BB and mounga imo. Cross kicks in particular, wasn’t it BB missing his brother for a certain try? Both at least 1 point too high.

[Carter's Choice]

Needs to acknowledge the shitty kicking by BB and mounga imo. Cross kicks in particular, wasn’t it BB missing his brother for a certain try? Both at least 1 point too high.

Whilst the kicking may have been inaccurate, it served a clear purpose. And that was to slow down the rush Pumas defense. And it did this, creating more time and space for the ABs when they had the ball in hand. This in turn allowed us to compete more effectively at the breakdown contest. So the short kicks served a purpose. And if Jordie Barrett had better hands they would have scored at least one try off kicks in the first half, when the TMO was checking for an ALB knock-on.

[Trapper]

The minute I saw BB holding the ball to kick off the match I’m thinking wtf. Why does he feel the need to do that. Same with drop outs, it’s not like RMo is Cruden when it comes to distance, I just don’t get it. It’s not a job that needs to be shared it’s the role of the 10. CC is right, RMo is not being given the responsibility of leading this team, something he’s been very good at with the Crusaders, I don’t know how he feels about it but when I was playing and someone decides they were occasionally get in and do my role it used to fuck me off no end.

Who says it’s Barrett’s decision? And why is it the role of the ten? It’s that kind of thinking that can hold a team back from using its resources most efficiently. BB probably practices the kick off in training if it’s his role. I don’t think mounga would give a shit tbh.

The one thing I think we need to see more of is Jordie taking penalty touchfinders. There is no doubt he is better than the other two.

I find your post ridiculous. I have been watching rugby for over 50 years, played for half of that and in all that time kick offs have been the role of the 10 (The exception being Piri). Apart from the Jordie bit the rest of what you are saying seems like pure make believe.

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

I wonder if the Newshub writer's finger slipped as he went to confirm Jordan's rating. He raves about him and then gives him a 7. His performance was an 8 minimum, arguably a 9.

[Guy Smiley]

I wonder if the Newshub writer's finger slipped as he went to confirm Jordan's rating. He raves about him and then gives him a 7. His performance was an 8 minimum, arguably a 9.

FFS, you know how editing works. If he wanted to rate him higher he would have done so. Jordan had 15 minutes on field, pounced on a spilt ball for one easy try and made a decent intercept for the second. Some perspective would be good... and I’m a Jordan fan. A 7 is fair.


As for the Jordie comments... it’s a common trolling point made here and PR that Canterbury supporters fluff their players. In that context the dedicated fluffing of Jordie would do a decent job of insulating an entire suburb of ceilings.

[Dan54]

Now who is being a bit dramatic?

He's not trying to hold the team to ransom. But he is trying to win back his 10 jersey, and he's doing that by inserting himself into first receiver whenever he can. No other first five in All Black history has ever had to put up with what Richie Mo'unga is currently having to put up with. A full back who has been given permission by the coach to jump into the first five position whenever he wants to. This is a disaster, and it is impacting on the entire team.

Genuine question , how do you know he has been given permission to jump in whenever he wants? You are not making things up surely?

That's what he does. He jumps into first receiver whenever he feels like it. I have eyes and I have watched every AB test this season. I don't need a confirmation email from your beloved Ian Foster to tell me what I can plainly see.

Ok, just asking, so you just surmising. That's ok , so we know that RMo doesn't want him in there etc as you would of no doubt picked them up with your eyes etc.
And we know you been caught out making up stuff because you coming up with your usual shit like "your beloved Ian Foster" etc. Sure sign that you have been caught out making stuff up. See I read posts with my own eyes and have seen how you post.

[Jb1981]

Ok, just asking, so you just surmising. That's ok , so we know that RMo doesn't want him in there etc as you would of no doubt picked them up with your eyes etc.
And we know you been caught out making up stuff because you coming up with your usual shit like "your beloved Ian Foster" etc. Sure sign that you have been caught out making stuff up. See I read posts with my own eyes and have seen how you post.

We do know that first-five is Barrett’s preferred position. He has been vocal on this so is likely to insert himself whenever he can. Mo’unga has been more tactful and has kept his feelings to himself.

[mrbrownstone]

A fair assessment by William Hewett of Newshub.

1-Joe Moody 6
Was part of a dominant All Blacks scrum and forward pack in his 50th match. Made five runs and won three scrum penalties.
Subbed off in 56th minute.
2-Dane Coles 7
A much-improved performance from the Hurricanes rake. He finished off the first try impressively and his lineout operated well.
Coles got involved with the ball in hand with three runs, before he was subbed off in 59th minute.
3-Nepo Laulala 8
Was hungry to get involved in his first start of the year. He carried the ball well with seven runs and was part of the dominant New Zealand scrum that won three penalties.
4-Scott Barrett 6
He was determined to make the most of his first start of the year and went looking for work. He had 12 runs for 41 metres gained, as well as making four tackles.
5-Sam Whitelock 6
The quietest of the All Blacks forwards. He had seven runs and the lineout was significantly better from last time out under his command.
Subbed off in 62nd minute.
6-Akira Ioane 9
He was the All Black's best, physical with the ball in hand, as he tried to impose himself. Was the go-to man at lineout time.
Ioane made a critical steal to stop a Pumas attack at the start of the second-half. Subbed off in 65th minute.
7-Sam Cane 6
A quiet first half, but came alive in the second stanza. He had one poor moment, when he was held up in the tackle inside his own 22.
Made eight runs and won a crucial turnover in the second half.
8-Ardie Savea 8
Was the busiest of the All Blacks players with 15 runs. He set Lienert-Brown free with a great offload and finished his try strongly, opening the floodgates for the All Blacks.
9-Aaron Smith 6
As always, provided the All Blacks with great service. He had one strong run off the back of a scrum, but otherwise a quiet night.
Subbed off in 59th minute.
10-Richie Mo'unga 7
Enjoyed the dominance of the All Blacks forward pack and looked dangerous with the ball in hand. He provided variety to the attack with his kicking game and great distribution.
11-Caleb Clarke 8
After a quiet game last time out, Clarke was at his bulldozing best, with 12 runs for 76 metres. Got over the advantage line with every run and solid under the high ball.
Subbed off in the 64th minute.
12-Jack Goodhue 5
A quiet first-half for Goodhue, but was much improved in the second half and had six runs. Questions still remain whether he's our answer at No.12 or if a bigger body is needed, as he continued his quiet series overall.
13-Anton Lienert-Brown 7
He had his busiest game of the year, making five runs for 37 metres gained, with one great line-break.
Subbed off in 53rd minute.
14-Jordie Barrett 6
He had a great first half and was hungry for work. The Hurricanes man made eight runs for 46 metres and was solid under the high ball.
15-Beauden Barrett 7
The Blues man injected himself into the game at perfect moments, especially in the first half. Looked dangerous with the ball in hand and was much better when he put boot to ball.
6-Codie Taylor 4
Subbed on in the 59th minute. Wasn't noticed until he gave away a stupid penalty for poor discipline, as the siren went.
Slightly ruined much-improved All Blacks discipline.
17-Karl Tu'inukuafe 6
Subbed on in the 56th minute. He made an immediate impact with a strong tackle.
Had a strong carry that almost led to a try, but was held up over the line.
18-Tyrel Lomax 4
Subbed on in the 56th minute. Had three strong carries, but ruined his evening with a sloppy yellow card - was lucky not to be red - with a forearm to the head.
19-Patrick Tuipulotu 6
Subbed on in the 62nd minute. He capped off a terrific team performance, when he finished off a great try.
20-Hoskins Sotutu 5
Subbed on in the 65th minute. The Blues No.8 handled the ball on two occasions with strong carries.
21-TJ Perenara 5
Subbed on in the 59th minute. A poor pass stalled the All Blacks attack early in his spell. Provided good service, but wasn't really noticed.
22-Rieko Ioane 5
Subbed on in the 53rd minute. A beautiful pass to put Tuipulotu through a massive hole to score All Blacks final try, but otherwise didn't make an impact.
23-Will Jordan 7
Subbed on in the 64th minute and made a huge impact in his short spell. He pounced on a loose ball when he scored his first All Blacks try, then got his second just two minutes later with an intercept.
He made four runs for 125 metres gained.

Harsh on Moody. That level of scrum dominance surely worth a 7 at minimum. Props always tend to get screwed over in these sort of things though.

The rest is fair, especially a 7 for Mo'unga. It wasn't Sydney-level perfection, but anyone suggesting he performed poorly was watching another game. Set up a try, had a line break that should have led to a second if Caleb Clarke had finished, kicked 6/7, and executed a smart kicking game that nullified the rush defence. A perfectly competent first-five performance.

[Wild Beef]

The minute I saw BB holding the ball to kick off the match I’m thinking wtf. Why does he feel the need to do that. Same with drop outs, it’s not like RMo is Cruden when it comes to distance, I just don’t get it. It’s not a job that needs to be shared it’s the role of the 10. CC is right, RMo is not being given the responsibility of leading this team, something he’s been very good at with the Crusaders, I don’t know how he feels about it but when I was playing and someone decides they were occasionally get in and do my role it used to fuck me off no end.

Who says it’s Barrett’s decision? And why is it the role of the ten? It’s that kind of thinking that can hold a team back from using its resources most efficiently. BB probably practices the kick off in training if it’s his role. I don’t think mounga would give a shit tbh.

The one thing I think we need to see more of is Jordie taking penalty touchfinders. There is no doubt he is better than the other two.

I find your post ridiculous. I have been watching rugby for over 50 years, played for half of that and in all that time kick offs have been the role of the 10 (The exception being Piri). Apart from the Jordie bit the rest of what you are saying seems like pure make believe.

Make believe? Stating that there is no rule that the ten must take all restarts? It’s all about what suits the team, and is no different to when a team determines the ten is not the best place kicker available.

It’s obvious that foster has targeted kick-offs, what with Jordie flying in to reclaim them. I’d say it’s a safe bet it’s BB who practices this in training. Here’s a thought, maybe mounga uses the extra time in training to work on his place kicking? I’d call that a pretty efficient use of time, especially if mounga is going to consistently hit them from touch like we just saw.

[mrbrownstone]

Just rewatching a few passages, and by far the most egregious error of the game was ALB throwing an inside ball to Whitelock, when his outside looked like this:



Three on none.

Reminiscent of Karl in Sydney, but at least he scored that one.

[Dan54]

Ok, just asking, so you just surmising. That's ok , so we know that RMo doesn't want him in there etc as you would of no doubt picked them up with your eyes etc.
And we know you been caught out making up stuff because you coming up with your usual shit like "your beloved Ian Foster" etc. Sure sign that you have been caught out making stuff up. See I read posts with my own eyes and have seen how you post.

We do know that first-five is Barrett’s preferred position. He has been vocal on this so is likely to insert himself whenever he can. Mo’unga has been more tactful and has kept his feelings to himself.

No he hasn't Mounga has always said 10 is his preferred position, and only position he feels comfortable playing, I saw him talking about it on tv a year or so back, which is as it should be he a very good 10. And of course he should say where his preferred position is if asked as should BB. Christ Leon MacDonald has said he prefers BB at 10. Personally I think he is a great bench player, but what do I know? Geez Jordie Barrett has said his preferred position is 12, do we assume that is why he comes into backline outside the 10?

[Trapper]

Who says it’s Barrett’s decision? And why is it the role of the ten? It’s that kind of thinking that can hold a team back from using its resources most efficiently. BB probably practices the kick off in training if it’s his role. I don’t think mounga would give a shit tbh.

The one thing I think we need to see more of is Jordie taking penalty touchfinders. There is no doubt he is better than the other two.

I find your post ridiculous. I have been watching rugby for over 50 years, played for half of that and in all that time kick offs have been the role of the 10 (The exception being Piri). Apart from the Jordie bit the rest of what you are saying seems like pure make believe.

Make believe? Stating that there is no rule that the ten must take all restarts? It’s all about what suits the team, and is no different to when a team determines the ten is not the best place kicker available.

It’s obvious that foster has targeted kick-offs, what with Jordie flying in to reclaim them. I’d say it’s a safe bet it’s BB who practices this in training. Here’s a thought, maybe mounga uses the extra time in training to work on his place kicking? I’d call that a pretty efficient use of time, especially if mounga is going to consistently hit them from touch like we just saw.

More ridiculousness and make believe. You’re in a roll mate.

[Jb1981]

Ok, just asking, so you just surmising. That's ok , so we know that RMo doesn't want him in there etc as you would of no doubt picked them up with your eyes etc.
And we know you been caught out making up stuff because you coming up with your usual shit like "your beloved Ian Foster" etc. Sure sign that you have been caught out making stuff up. See I read posts with my own eyes and have seen how you post.

We do know that first-five is Barrett’s preferred position. He has been vocal on this so is likely to insert himself whenever he can. Mo’unga has been more tactful and has kept his feelings to himself.

No he hasn't Mounga has always said 10 is his preferred position, and only position he feels comfortable playing, I saw him talking about it on tv a year or so back, which is as it should be he a very good 10. And of course he should say where his preferred position is if asked as should BB. Christ Leon MacDonald has said he prefers BB at 10. Personally I think he is a great bench player, but what do I know? Geez Jordie Barrett has said his preferred position is 12, do we assume that is why he comes into backline outside the 10?

I’m talking in relation to “dual playmakers” and what Mounga’s thoughts may be on it. Barrett has said he prefers 10 and Mo’unga, as far as I know, hasn’t commented one way or the other on how often Barrett comes to first receiver.

[Jb1981]

Just rewatching a few passages, and by far the most egregious error of the game was ALB throwing an inside ball to Whitelock, when his outside looked like this:



Three on none.

Reminiscent of Karl in Sydney, but at least he scored that one.

What did the backline look like for BB’s cross kick to Jordie. At the time through the hands looked the best bet but that was in real time.

[mrbrownstone]

Just rewatching a few passages, and by far the most egregious error of the game was ALB throwing an inside ball to Whitelock, when his outside looked like this:



Three on none.

Reminiscent of Karl in Sydney, but at least he scored that one.

What did the backline look like for BB’s cross kick to Jordie. At the time through the hands looked the best bet but that was in real time.

Can't be bothered screenshotting it, but just had a look and the kick looks like the right option. 2 on 2 with Cane and ALB vs 2 Argentine defenders, then Jordie unmarked on the outside. Through the hands most likely lets the cover side.

Pause around 20:05:

[Gumboot]

The minute I saw BB holding the ball to kick off the match I’m thinking wtf. Why does he feel the need to do that. Same with drop outs, it’s not like RMo is Cruden when it comes to distance, I just don’t get it. It’s not a job that needs to be shared it’s the role of the 10. CC is right, RMo is not being given the responsibility of leading this team, something he’s been very good at with the Crusaders, I don’t know how he feels about it but when I was playing and someone decides they were occasionally get in and do my role it used to fuck me off no end.

Who says it’s Barrett’s decision? And why is it the role of the ten? It’s that kind of thinking that can hold a team back from using its resources most efficiently. BB probably practices the kick off in training if it’s his role. I don’t think mounga would give a shit tbh.

The one thing I think we need to see more of is Jordie taking penalty touchfinders. There is no doubt he is better than the other two.

I find your post ridiculous. I have been watching rugby for over 50 years, played for half of that and in all that time kick offs have been the role of the 10 (The exception being Piri). Apart from the Jordie bit the rest of what you are saying seems like pure make believe.

Nah, fullbacks routinely took the kick offs until the 1980s.

[Turbster]

The minute I saw BB holding the ball to kick off the match I’m thinking wtf. Why does he feel the need to do that. Same with drop outs, it’s not like RMo is Cruden when it comes to distance, I just don’t get it. It’s not a job that needs to be shared it’s the role of the 10. CC is right, RMo is not being given the responsibility of leading this team, something he’s been very good at with the Crusaders, I don’t know how he feels about it but when I was playing and someone decides they were occasionally get in and do my role it used to fuck me off no end.

I've commented on this previously, that for whatever reason, it is really weird. Why? The kick off sets the tone for the next couple of minutes and the 10, or playmaker, must surely be driving the plays from the start. I'm sure RMo can hardly be seen as an inferior kicker to BB, can he?

[Jimmy Smallsteps]

I wonder if the Newshub writer's finger slipped as he went to confirm Jordan's rating. He raves about him and then gives him a 7. His performance was an 8 minimum, arguably a 9.

FFS, you know how editing works. If he wanted to rate him higher he would have done so. Jordan had 15 minutes on field, pounced on a spilt ball for one easy try and made a decent intercept for the second. Some perspective would be good... and I’m a Jordan fan. A 7 is fair.


As for the Jordie comments... it’s a common trolling point made here and PR that Canterbury supporters fluff their players. In that context the dedicated fluffing of Jordie would do a decent job of insulating an entire suburb of ceilings.

I tend to agree with Aaron Goile over at Stuff who rated him a 9. He only had 15 minutes on the field and made close to the maximum impact possible. Was he presented with gilt-edged opportunities? Yes, but he had the skills and pace to capitalise to the fullest.

[Wild Beef]

The minute I saw BB holding the ball to kick off the match I’m thinking wtf. Why does he feel the need to do that. Same with drop outs, it’s not like RMo is Cruden when it comes to distance, I just don’t get it. It’s not a job that needs to be shared it’s the role of the 10. CC is right, RMo is not being given the responsibility of leading this team, something he’s been very good at with the Crusaders, I don’t know how he feels about it but when I was playing and someone decides they were occasionally get in and do my role it used to fuck me off no end.

I've commented on this previously, that for whatever reason, it is really weird. Why? The kick off sets the tone for the next couple of minutes and the 10, or playmaker, must surely be driving the plays from the start. I'm sure RMo can hardly be seen as an inferior kicker to BB, can he?

It’s a set piece play. One I expect the captain calls (on the coaches tactics) so I don’t really think it sets the tone for anything tbh.

[Dan54]

We do know that first-five is Barrett’s preferred position. He has been vocal on this so is likely to insert himself whenever he can. Mo’unga has been more tactful and has kept his feelings to himself.

No he hasn't Mounga has always said 10 is his preferred position, and only position he feels comfortable playing, I saw him talking about it on tv a year or so back, which is as it should be he a very good 10. And of course he should say where his preferred position is if asked as should BB. Christ Leon MacDonald has said he prefers BB at 10. Personally I think he is a great bench player, but what do I know? Geez Jordie Barrett has said his preferred position is 12, do we assume that is why he comes into backline outside the 10?

I’m talking in relation to “dual playmakers” and what Mounga’s thoughts may be on it. Barrett has said he prefers 10 and Mo’unga, as far as I know, hasn’t commented one way or the other on how often Barrett comes to first receiver.

Well has Mounga been asked? But apparently one or two somehow know that BB is coming in when Mounga doesn't want him to, and Mounga is to weak at 10 to run a backline . I saying bullshit, he a good enough 10 and must have the nous to call plays. Well I hope so.
And as to who kicks I have heard both Rmo and BB say the kickers decide between them who kicks at goal on the day, I would assume they do for a kick off and maybe use different kickers for different restarts? Hell I don't have the info you fellas have.

[Carter's Choice]

Oh look, Dan54 is making more excuses for Ian Foster and NZR.

[Dan54]

Oh look, Dan54 is making more excuses for Ian Foster and NZR.

F*** me I correct again huh, so you changing the theme to personal attacks huh?

[Carter's Choice]

Oh look, Dan54 is making more excuses for Ian Foster and NZR.

F*** me I correct again huh, so you changing the theme to personal attacks huh?

Personal attacks? Wtf?

[Dan54]

Oh look, Dan54 is making more excuses for Ian Foster and NZR.

F*** me I correct again huh, so you changing the theme to personal attacks huh?

Personal attacks? Wtf?

Ok well lying or twisting what is said, regardless the same outcome. Same ol same ol